Suicide Squad: General Discussion and Speculation - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 33

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Me when I try not to let my excitement level of the prospect of any DC film that includes Harley, Joker and Batman get the best of me.

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Me when I can't control my craziness lols once there is enough of a official confirmation

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Me hearing those awful rumors of how the future films of DC could end up being a mess like BvS and SS...

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Me growing tired of DC's BS...

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Me calming down...

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Me...knowing things are going to be just fine...

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...when Batfleck saves us!

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The feeling when Affleck has done his justice we fans deserve!

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Oh yeah!

oh Yeah
 
Honestly, i'm surprised why a lot of people have so much faith in the future Batman movie by Affleck.

What evidence do we have that his Batman would be different than the one in BvS. He obviously has no problem with how Batman was portrayed in BvS.And Batman characterization in that movie was one of things that fans hated about that movie, no matter how awesome the warehouse scene was
 
I don't think Justice League will start with the team formed mostly. Snyder said the movie is pretty much going to focus mostly on the recruitment aspect. Seven Samurai comparison.

Okies, :cwink: I had guessed that Aquaman joining would be a major part of the film itself. Recruiting within the film itself would be a way to do things differently to Avengers.

As for the files, if you are a detective and you know someone already did research on something you are looking for, then you shouldn't solely rely on the research yourself but instead you should approach the person who already did the research and know things you don't know or won't find if you do the research yourself. So I am pretty sure Bruce Wayne needs more information about these metahumans and he knows Amanda Waller has the information so he makes a deal with her. Chances are he won't find the same information Amanda Waller found if he did the research himself.

Yes, when Waller handed Wayne the files I figured he was indeed looking for more information on the future Leaguers but when saw the first file was Enchantress (or so I thought), I was thinking maybe Batman might instead have been attempting to gather up evidence that they existed so as to protect them or that he had told them would find a way to prove they could trust him.
 
Honestly, i'm surprised why a lot of people have so much faith in the future Batman movie by Affleck.

What evidence do we have that his Batman would be different than the one in BvS. He obviously has no problem with how Batman was portrayed in BvS.And Batman characterization in that movie was one of things that fans hated about that movie, no matter how awesome the warehouse scene was

Because unlike Snyder, Affleck can direct a gripping drama/serious movie. I have faith in his batman movie because I've loved everything that he's been involved with over the past 4 years. He's a fantastic director.
 
Honestly, i'm surprised why a lot of people have so much faith in the future Batman movie by Affleck.

What evidence do we have that his Batman would be different than the one in BvS. He obviously has no problem with how Batman was portrayed in BvS.And Batman characterization in that movie was one of things that fans hated about that movie, no matter how awesome the warehouse scene was

What evidence? Are you sure you were paying attention when you watched BvS? Sorry, I just had to ask it.
 
Honestly, i'm surprised why a lot of people have so much faith in the future Batman movie by Affleck.

What evidence do we have that his Batman would be different than the one in BvS. He obviously has no problem with how Batman was portrayed in BvS.And Batman characterization in that movie was one of things that fans hated about that movie, no matter how awesome the warehouse scene was

I liked Batman in BvS the most out of the ones in movies so far. And Affleck is a great director/writer who is actually passionate about this project and seems to be giving it the care and attention it deserves. Also the studio won't dare mess with his cut of the movie
 
The problem with this is that it suggests that the intention, regarding the Enchantress and her brother, was, well, nothing.

So the plan was to get Waller out, then . . . let witch destroy the world?

I'm not saying that it should have been part of the Skwad's mission, I'm saying it makes the entire villain an after thought to the story.

If there was, at the very least, some other plan in action to deal with the Enchantress, while the Squad rescued Waller, and said plan ultimately fails, THEN it would have gelled better.
However, either that was never done, or if it was, it was edited out of the final film, or I COMPLETELY missed it, which is VERY probable.
For all I know, there was a throw away line in Flag's "confession," right along side the other post hock exposition that was thrown in there explaining the original plan to deal with the world ending threat.

Also, as others have mentioned, regardless of whether Waller was exaggerating about the Skwad taking on the next Superman, she still sold them on the matter of dealing with the threats other meta-humans present.

The film's ENTIRE premise is sold on the fact that they will be necessary to deal with meta-human threats.
Then, the inciting incident of the film IS a meta-human threat, but the Skwad is ONLY being used to rescue a human, and just IGNORE the world ending threat. So, the Skwad has NOTHING to do with the VERY kind of meta-human threat they were created to deal with.

The ONLY reason they, ultimately, end up dealing with it is because they choose to. Not because there was a plan that failed, and they were our LAST hope; but because there was NEVER a plan, and they just HAPPEN to still be there after getting Waller, and they are our ONLY hope, because there never was anyone else, nor were they intended to do this themselves either.

It's like everyone just wants to do their stuff AROUND the Enchantress, but don't bother her, don't get in her way, she's got her thing, we've got ours, and never the twain shall meet. It's fine, don't worry, her plan will never work, and she'll eventually calm down and go back to her cave.


I'm FINE with the Skwad being, ultimately, used for a smaller, more covert, "rescue" mission, and then finding themselves the only ones who can save the world. That's a FANTASTIC concept for this kind of film. But you can NOT just have had the world ending threat just THERE. A nuisance that everyone in the film otherwise ignores, or just try to avoid. You also can not pitch the team, sell it, SOLELY on the notion that they are necessary to fight the precise kind of threat you then proceed to completely ignore.

It's one thing for Waller to lie to the government about her intentions for the Skwad, as she always has her own agenda, and motivations, etc. But you then need to address that when the lie she sold them on shows its ugly head.

Her higher ups allowed her to proceed with Task Force X on the basis that they would be needed for meta-human threats. Then, when a meta-human threat presents itself, they all agree to activate the Task Force, but NOT to deal with the aforementioned threat they were created to deal with in the first place!
They're just going on a little tangential side mission, while everyone just waits for the swirling apocalypse in the sky to sort itself out!

Uh...a lot of stuff was addressed with other posts. Don't feel like posting them again.

Seems your larger issue is that they had no plan for Enchantress. Thats right. Waller was only thinking about self preservation.
 
The problem with this is that it suggests that the intention, regarding the Enchantress and her brother, was, well, nothing.

So the plan was to get Waller out, then . . . let witch destroy the world?

I'm not saying that it should have been part of the Skwad's mission, I'm saying it makes the entire villain an after thought to the story.

If there was, at the very least, some other plan in action to deal with the Enchantress, while the Squad rescued Waller, and said plan ultimately fails, THEN it would have gelled better.
However, either that was never done, or if it was, it was edited out of the final film, or I COMPLETELY missed it, which is VERY probable.
For all I know, there was a throw away line in Flag's "confession," right along side the other post hock exposition that was thrown in there explaining the original plan to deal with the world ending threat.

Also, as others have mentioned, regardless of whether Waller was exaggerating about the Skwad taking on the next Superman, she still sold them on the matter of dealing with the threats other meta-humans present.

The film's ENTIRE premise is sold on the fact that they will be necessary to deal with meta-human threats.
Then, the inciting incident of the film IS a meta-human threat, but the Skwad is ONLY being used to rescue a human, and just IGNORE the world ending threat. So, the Skwad has NOTHING to do with the VERY kind of meta-human threat they were created to deal with.

The ONLY reason they, ultimately, end up dealing with it is because they choose to. Not because there was a plan that failed, and they were our LAST hope; but because there was NEVER a plan, and they just HAPPEN to still be there after getting Waller, and they are our ONLY hope, because there never was anyone else, nor were they intended to do this themselves either.

It's like everyone just wants to do their stuff AROUND the Enchantress, but don't bother her, don't get in her way, she's got her thing, we've got ours, and never the twain shall meet. It's fine, don't worry, her plan will never work, and she'll eventually calm down and go back to her cave.


I'm FINE with the Skwad being, ultimately, used for a smaller, more covert, "rescue" mission, and then finding themselves the only ones who can save the world. That's a FANTASTIC concept for this kind of film. But you can NOT just have had the world ending threat just THERE. A nuisance that everyone in the film otherwise ignores, or just try to avoid. You also can not pitch the team, sell it, SOLELY on the notion that they are necessary to fight the precise kind of threat you then proceed to completely ignore.

It's one thing for Waller to lie to the government about her intentions for the Skwad, as she always has her own agenda, and motivations, etc. But you then need to address that when the lie she sold them on shows its ugly head.

Her higher ups allowed her to proceed with Task Force X on the basis that they would be needed for meta-human threats. Then, when a meta-human threat presents itself, they all agree to activate the Task Force, but NOT to deal with the aforementioned threat they were created to deal with in the first place!
They're just going on a little tangential side mission, while everyone just waits for the swirling apocalypse in the sky to sort itself out!
Yup exactly.
 
Honestly, i'm surprised why a lot of people have so much faith in the future Batman movie by Affleck.

What evidence do we have that his Batman would be different than the one in BvS. He obviously has no problem with how Batman was portrayed in BvS.And Batman characterization in that movie was one of things that fans hated about that movie, no matter how awesome the warehouse scene was

From the JL set visit :

Q : Is there any conflict in this one regarding Batman’s tactics? Because one of the conflicts of the last movie was that Batman was, I wouldn’t want to say sadistic, but he was very violent and he killed if he had to.

AFFLECK: Yeah, in the last movie, Batman definitely went to a very dark place that was rooted in trauma that occurred to people that he loved and worked with and what he saw. This movie is not about that issue for him so much anymore, he’s no longer sort of extreme in that way. From the experiences of the last movie, he’s sort of learned and now he’s sort of – I’m trying to say it without giving away any spoilers – but he’s wanting to redeem himself and wanting mankind to be redeemed and he’s wanting to make the world better. Having learned lessons that were important in the last movie.
 
I think people are not grasping the fact Waller really was selling Enchantress as the one to stop world threats. Once she lost her...everything went to hell and it was about saving her/protecting her name. They'll deal with the threat later as they are trying to figure out what to do. They didn't know Enchantress plan was to destroy their defense system/zones. That happened concurrently when the squad showed up to fight them.

It...eh.. never mind. Not trying to have another long BvS debate.
 
I like the way Faraci describes Incubus

'He looks like he belongs in the Brendan Fraser Mummy, and it’s unreal watching this poorly conceived character walk around in a modern movie. It actually gives you the kind of cognitive dissonance you might get seeing a real 6000 year old demon walking the streets.'

Much as I hate to agree with Faracci, I don't know what WB producers were thinking, allowing something that inexcusably ridiculous to be featured in arguably the most anticipated CBM of the summer.
 
Much as I hate to agree with Faracci, I don't know what WB producers were thinking, allowing something that inexcusably ridiculous to be featured in arguably the most anticipated CBM of the summer.

Maybe the most shocking thing about this movie. I didn't have a huge issue with Incubus because he wasn't on screen much. His first scene was very creepy/well done in the train station.

However, Ayer didn't do CGI for Killer Croc yet went this route for Incubus. Makes no sense.

He'd been better off casting the guy who played the Mountain on Game of Thrones and making him Incubus. :sly:
 
Maybe the most shocking thing about this movie. I didn't have a huge issue with Incubus because he wasn't on screen much. His first scene was very creepy/well done in the train station.

However, Ayer didn't do CGI for Killer Croc yet went this route for Incubus. Makes no sense.

He'd been better off casting the guy who played the Mountain on Game of Thrones and making him Incubus. :sly:

Agreed about his first scene, I thought that was really good. I thought Enchantres's first few scenes were really good as well. Then they both went downhill.

Though I still loved Diablo vs Incubus
 
Honestly, i'm surprised why a lot of people have so much faith in the future Batman movie by Affleck.

What evidence do we have that his Batman would be different than the one in BvS. He obviously has no problem with how Batman was portrayed in BvS.And Batman characterization in that movie was one of things that fans hated about that movie, no matter how awesome the warehouse scene was

seriously ??

have you seen suicide squad and JL teaser they both clearly showed a more grounded mellow batman

if bvs batman was in suicide squad deadshot probably has a broken leg and arm with a batarang stuck in his shoulder lol
 
I always liked Ben as an actor and I have seen one of his films he directed...and I like that he gives a s*** about Batman and "how he's passionate about giving this solo project the care and attention it deserves".

I hope WB doesn't think they can go in and mess up his vision considering what they did and turned SS into...Let Affleck and co do their thing as he and they see fit...for whats best for the Dark Knight.

That being said...I'm going to keep to myself until things slowly fall into motion...

Meanwhile...I'm gonna keep enjoying the best parts I can't get enough of...

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lols The stuff I enjoyed the most...I can't deny that I want to see more...more of what shouldn't have been trimmed down and cut out of the film.
 
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What evidence? Are you sure you were paying attention when you watched BvS? Sorry, I just had to ask it.

A lot of people hated batman in BvS including myself but this isn't really the place to discuss that since it's the suicide squad thread.
 
A lot of people hated batman in BvS including myself but this isn't really the place to discuss that since it's the suicide squad thread.

We are not talking about his likeability in BvS. We are taking about his arc in the DCEU. We are talking about whether there is evidence in BvS that suggests whether Batman has always been mean and brutal and what he will be going forward into DCEU. In SS, he doesn't seem like the man he was in BvS. It reinforces Alfred's problems with changing behaviour of Bruce Wayne's Batman.

This guy knows what I am talking about.

if bvs batman was in suicide squad deadshot probably has a broken leg and arm with a batarang stuck in his shoulder lol
 
Here's this movie's login in a nutshell:

- Recruit Captain Boomerang for a team to fight Meta's - except we see that he got owned in 10 seconds by a meta (i.e. The Flash)

It's brilliant I say, brilliant!
 
The problem with this is that it suggests that the intention, regarding the Enchantress and her brother, was, well, nothing.

So the plan was to get Waller out, then . . . let witch destroy the world?

I'm not saying that it should have been part of the Skwad's mission, I'm saying it makes the entire villain an after thought to the story.

If there was, at the very least, some other plan in action to deal with the Enchantress, while the Squad rescued Waller, and said plan ultimately fails, THEN it would have gelled better.
However, either that was never done, or if it was, it was edited out of the final film, or I COMPLETELY missed it, which is VERY probable.
For all I know, there was a throw away line in Flag's "confession," right along side the other post hock exposition that was thrown in there explaining the original plan to deal with the world ending threat.

Also, as others have mentioned, regardless of whether Waller was exaggerating about the Skwad taking on the next Superman, she still sold them on the matter of dealing with the threats other meta-humans present.

The film's ENTIRE premise is sold on the fact that they will be necessary to deal with meta-human threats.
Then, the inciting incident of the film IS a meta-human threat, but the Skwad is ONLY being used to rescue a human, and just IGNORE the world ending threat. So, the Skwad has NOTHING to do with the VERY kind of meta-human threat they were created to deal with.

The ONLY reason they, ultimately, end up dealing with it is because they choose to. Not because there was a plan that failed, and they were our LAST hope; but because there was NEVER a plan, and they just HAPPEN to still be there after getting Waller, and they are our ONLY hope, because there never was anyone else, nor were they intended to do this themselves either.

It's like everyone just wants to do their stuff AROUND the Enchantress, but don't bother her, don't get in her way, she's got her thing, we've got ours, and never the twain shall meet. It's fine, don't worry, her plan will never work, and she'll eventually calm down and go back to her cave.


I'm FINE with the Skwad being, ultimately, used for a smaller, more covert, "rescue" mission, and then finding themselves the only ones who can save the world. That's a FANTASTIC concept for this kind of film. But you can NOT just have had the world ending threat just THERE. A nuisance that everyone in the film otherwise ignores, or just try to avoid. You also can not pitch the team, sell it, SOLELY on the notion that they are necessary to fight the precise kind of threat you then proceed to completely ignore.

It's one thing for Waller to lie to the government about her intentions for the Skwad, as she always has her own agenda, and motivations, etc. But you then need to address that when the lie she sold them on shows its ugly head.

Her higher ups allowed her to proceed with Task Force X on the basis that they would be needed for meta-human threats. Then, when a meta-human threat presents itself, they all agree to activate the Task Force, but NOT to deal with the aforementioned threat they were created to deal with in the first place!
They're just going on a little tangential side mission, while everyone just waits for the swirling apocalypse in the sky to sort itself out!

Well said :up:
 
I thought it was funny the way she said it.

I lol'd but heh...*shrugs*
 
The most important point is to me not that the SS wasn't fit to combat a powerful meta human, it's that it's illogical that they would be sent even to get Waller instead of a special ops unit.

A trained team of soldiers should be more effective and doesn't contain members that constantly need to be babysat by their leader, drawing focus away from the mission. It's only because the plot demands it that trained soldiers are worse than a petite girl with a baseball bat.

The Suicide Squad should be sent on real suicide missions to do bad things.
 
seriously ??

have you seen suicide squad and JL teaser they both clearly showed a more grounded mellow batman

if bvs batman was in suicide squad deadshot probably has a broken leg and arm with a batarang stuck in his shoulder lol

You forgot a grappling gun wound
 
Honestly, i'm surprised why a lot of people have so much faith in the future Batman movie by Affleck.

What evidence do we have that his Batman would be different than the one in BvS. He obviously has no problem with how Batman was portrayed in BvS.And Batman characterization in that movie was one of things that fans hated about that movie, no matter how awesome the warehouse scene was

I thought Batman in BvS was bloody terrible. A poorly translated version of Frank Miller's take that missed the mark completely, and dragged Batman down to the level of a stupid thug.

....but I'm still positive about Affleck's interpretation. I think he's both wise enough to have learned from the hideous errors perpetrated by Snyder, and is a good enough film maker to provide us with a great Batman film, if he's allowed to...and takes his time with it.

I don't think he'll get close to Nolan, but I do think he'll score the second best live action Batman ever with his solo movie.
 
I thought Batman in BvS was bloody terrible. A poorly translated version of Frank Miller's take that missed the mark completely, and dragged Batman down to the level of a stupid thug.

....but I'm still positive about Affleck's interpretation. I think he's both wise enough to have learned from the hideous errors perpetrated by Snyder, and is a good enough film maker to provide us with a great Batman film, if he's allowed to...and takes his time with it.

I don't think he'll get close to Nolan, but I do think he'll score the second best live action Batman ever with his solo movie.

I whole heartly agree with this post.

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