The Wrestling Thread Is Like A Sexy Piñata...A VERY Sexy Piñata! - Part 237

[Dr. Evil]

Cena is not a bad wrestler.

I think he faces Joe.

 

[The Chris]

I think its because Taker is past his prime and at the end and Cena's best matches are with guys faster, more technical and overall just better than Cena is. If this was 07-10 Taker i would be flipping out in excitement

 

[Dr. Evil]

This is probably the last year for Taker, Kane, Show and Henry.

I have not cared for Taker since his match with HBK.

 

[Wheels]

I think its because Taker is past his prime and at the end and Cena's best matches are with guys faster, more technical and overall just better than Cena is. If this was 07-10 Taker i would be flipping out in excitement

Rusev, Wyatt, and Umaga had good matches with Cena but I get what you're saying. Taker is old; My thing is that I trust Cena vs Taker to try to deliver more than Goldberg vs Lesnar. I know Brock can deliver, I just don't know if he's in the mood. His matches with Ambrose, Orton, and Goldberg say no.

 

[nite-owl]

The best part of Takeover for me was the last shot of Roode with the misspelled glorious sign in the crowd.

 

[nite-owl]

 

[Wheels]

That face reminds me of Cena holding up the MITB.

 

[TheCommissioner]

Roode is a solid/great performer, I said he was WWE ready YEARS ago when there was a rumor that the E wanted him and James Storm during their run as Beer Money, but Storm wasn't interested...or so the rumor goes

Im excited for him to hold the belt for now

 

[TheCommissioner]

A lot of internet wrestling fans are still under the delusion that Cena is a bad wrestlers, despite 5+ years of evidence that clearly says otherwise. At this point I'm dying to see Cena against Taker, Joe, Nakamura, Balor, and Roode.

and those internet people are dumb

I recently watched 2 matches

ECW one night stand 2006 - Cena vs RVD

WWE Money In the Back 2011 - Cena vs CM Punk

no one performs better in a hostile environment than John Cena

 

[TheCommissioner]

and Cena vs Umaga at the Royal Rumble in 2007

if you don't like that match, you are silly in the head

 

[Wheels]

I 'm really happy for Roode as well. I've always considered him to be the best TNA World Champion, so I'm interested to see how he does as NXT Champion.

 

[Wylie Times]

and those internet people are dumb

I recently watched 2 matches

ECW one night stand 2006 - Cena vs RVD

WWE Money In the Back 2011 - Cena vs CM Punk

no one performs better in a hostile environment than John Cena

Cena's been putting on great matches for a LONG time, but people try to explain it away as him being carried by better talent. Hell, even before his main event push Cena was putting on some really good matches as the U.S. Champ on Smackdown. The whole "You can't Wrestle" stuff only started when he got moved to Raw. A lot of the things people had about Cena comes down to how he's book, though some things (not selling, grinning like an idiot during serious moments, not locking in holds properly) were on him.

I'd say right now Cena is a MUCH better performer than Orton has been the past 5+ years. I can't remember the last time I saw a really good match featuring Randy Orton.

*edit*

Correction, I forgot about the Wrestlemania match Orton had against Rollins, and to be honest outside of the finish it was a typical Randy Orton Match.

 

[Hotwire]

Cena's been putting on great matches for a LONG time, but people try to explain it away as him being carried by better talent. Hell, even before his main event push Cena was putting on some really good matches as the U.S. Champ on Smackdown. The whole "You can't Wrestle" stuff only started when he got moved to Raw. A lot of the things people had about Cena comes down to how he's book, though some things (not selling, grinning like an idiot during serious moments, not locking in holds properly) were on him.

I'd say right now Cena is a MUCH better performer than Orton has been the past 5+ years. I can't remember the last time I saw a really good match featuring Randy Orton.

*edit*

Correction, I forgot about the Wrestlemania match Orton had against Rollins, and to be honest outside of the finish it was a typical Randy Orton Match.

The other thing to consider is how early in his career he was tasked with shouldering the show. That's immense pressure and, ultimately, he's handled it very well!

 

[Hunter Rider]

Do people really still think Cena isn't a good worker? He wasn't ready for live matches when they stuck him on Raw as the WWE champion in 2005, but by 2006 he became solid and he had a stellar year in 2007 with several excellent matches. Since then he's become the best main event worker of Vince's mega pushed faces of the last 30 years.

You can enjoy wrestling without watching WWE. The Kenny Omega vs. Okada match at New Japan's Wrestle Kingdom 11 is already 1,000 times better than any WWE match in the last few years. TNA has had some weird stuff, but this past week in TNA has been pretty good and this is without the Hardys being the focal point. PWG and ROH always have good wrestling. Lucha Undergroud is pretty good as well, but it's on a network nobody watches.

Don't need to be done with wrestling as there are better options out there besides WWE.

I know there's other promotions, my intererst in wrestling is just fairly non existent since 2014, my passion for it pretty much died, I feel like Cornette these days, I certainly share his views of Kenny Omega.

I like the idea of AJ vs. Joe and a champion Bayley against Sasha. But yeah, your card is probably miles ahead of what we are going to actually get.

I see Cena vs Joe being mentioned in here a lot, is there any reason to think Vince would debut Joe straight into a Mania main event against the #1 star for the WWE title? Maybe I'm just out of touch but that seems so unlikely to me.

Is that also when Hunter Hearst Voorhees attacked Randy Orton's house filled with random hoes in different rooms?

That's the one! The amount of terrible ideas contained in that angle rivalled 'Lost in Clevland', and it was booking at it's most stupid in every way possible.

Taker vs. Roman is interesting, just for the dramatic tension inherent to the match. The crowd heat on Roman would be nuclear, and while the audience doesn't want Taker to lose, half the crowd would expect that outcome because of Roman's booking. You can't write that kind of suspense.

Even though Reigns is one of the reasons I stopped watching I agree that this match would make sense.

I won't be sad if Taker vs Cena doesn't happen. I just don't understand how anyone on any board, Facebook group, or YouTube channel can defend the apathetic Brock Lesnar facing a guy, that very clearly cares about delivering a good match to cap off his career, but NEVER EVER had a good match without his opponent being in top form and in the same breathe act like Cena vs Taker is a bad idea. If I felt confident that Brock is willing to go the extra mile to deliver a truly badass brawl with Goldberg then maybe I'd look forward to it. The negativity on the internet for Cena vs Taker is way worse though and I find that odd.

Agree with all of this but just to be clear, you think Goldberg cares about the quality of his match?

 

[Loki882]

I get why people have a problem with AJ vs Shane but my thinking is this: IF it happens then AJ is still in a good position because: A) Both Shane and AJ are really over. B) It's a Shane McMahon match so WWE will promote it as a big deal C) AJ can easily carry Shane to a good match. Not that I don't want AJ in the title match, but if we get Cena vs Joe then I'd be pretty happy, and I'm not nearly as down on Taker vs Cena as others because it seems like the only "legend vs legend" match that doesn't feel like automatic **** unlike Brock vs Goldberg III.

AJ was the MVP of WWE last year, and he's been white hot for months now. And last year, he had to job clean to 45 year old Chris Jericho in his Mania debut (which was a stupid decision in an of itself) in what was essentially a mid-card feud. And he's 40, so who knows how many Mania's he has left?

So NOW is the time to give him a true marquee match. And of all the possibilities, and there are many (vs. Cena, vs. Taker, vs. Joe, etc), they stick him with trying to carry the middle-aged non-wrestler son of the boss to a decent match, when the guy wrestled a match at last year's Mania which also wasn't very good, really?

I don't care how they try to market it, that's just a slap in the face to AJ after all he's done since coming to WWE. Especially if freaking Cena, Roman, Taker, Brock, and Goldberg get to dominate the top spots AGAIN!!

This is why people get so frustrated with WWE, it's the same old crap every single time.

 

[TheCommissioner]

and that frustration = a small drop in the bucket, money wise as far as the WWE is concerned

people will buy tickets to see Lesnar vs Goldberg III

 

[Hunter Rider]

and that frustration = a small drop in the bucket, money wise as far as the WWE is concerned

people will buy tickets to see Lesnar vs Goldberg III

Yeah and when those guys are no longer able to be plugged in the company will be in a place where they've pissed on their actual roster talent for so long that no one will care.

They can do these ****ing awful "special attraction" matches without making them the main attraction and presenting the current guys as sub standard side attractions.

The top guys in the show now should be the focus in the main matches, with these old nostalgia acts booked as as what they are, novelty attractions underneath.

 

[Loki882]

^Yes, that's exactly the point, it's terrible long-term business strategy. And that's the point that I and others have been trying to make. You spend years and years selling the audience the idea that the "old timers" are oh so superior to the new guys by having them just come in whenever they feel like and just get handed the top spots and going over the full-time roster, and people remember that.

So once those old-timers can no longer go at all, or just decided to hang it up for good, then you're in trouble because your audience is now far less invested in the guys that you want to carry your product forward. And you have no one to blame but yourselves because you spent so much time booking them as inferior, that it's no surprise that the audience now views them as inferior.

You'd think that a guy who's been a promoter and a businessman for as long as Vince has would understand this obvious point.

Now as for Brock vs. Goldberg specifically:

1. People hated their last match at WM XX, and they were far younger back then. So there's no way of telling if they'd make a new one work.

2. People want to see them on the show, which is fair enough. That doesn't mean that they need to be the main event. You could stick them in the middle of the show and people would still tune in most likely for example.

 

[Lobo]

A fun moment in Rumble history

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Also I'm going to start this here and now,might even make a twitter handle for it. #BarryHorowitzforWWEHoF

 

[TheCommissioner]

Maven

joke

last I saw he was selling automatic litter boxes on QVC

 

[nite-owl]

Matt Riddle was in the audience for Takeover last night.

 

[nite-owl]

 

[Dr. Evil]

Bro!

If New Japan goes through with their plans for next year by having New Japan USA, the WWE will up their game. No doubt about that. The WWE is not going to do this next year when New Japan could make waves in the USA with Kenny Omega. And New Japan USA could also sign any American wrestlers who are free agents and there are plenty of them who once worked in WWE not under contract with ROH, New Japan, TNA or even Lucha Underground.

Hell, if his MMA career doesn't work out, New Japan USA can sign CM Punk.

 

[Wheels]

I do think Goldberg cares in this case, Hunter. I think he'd want to go out and have a match that gets a good reaction. I doubt he wants his kid hearing a shower of booes for what could be his last match.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Goldberg is coming back for his kid. His kid never saw him wrestle. And I also doubt he wants his son to hear boos from the crowd, so he's going to give a damn.