Daredevil Cancelled!

It's a real bummer to see this show (and presumably the rest) go, though I am grateful it went out on top with a truly fantastic third season. Luke Cage and Iron Fist softened the blow too. I really hope Jessica Jones and Punisher shine in their next seasons. More than that, I hope Marvel retain these characters and continuity moving forward. There is a ton of potential and a mostly fantastic cast of characters on offer. It would be silly to write them off, or worse - recast - when there's so much groundwork laid out already.
 
I don't think this really surprised many. I just hope this doesn't mean Daredevil and the Netflix characters are retired completely from live action.
 
Maybe Netflix doesn't want to inadvertently promote the Disney brand while they're launching Disney+ ?
I think it was Disney making an offer that nobody could afford.
So you guys think this was strictly a Disney move and not a decision related to ratings?
As a long time Trekkie watching CBS lock others out of Star Trek I have an easy time seeing Disney lock all others out of what they claim is in the MCU continuity
 
Marvel Promises 'More Adventures' With Daredevil in New Statement

I hope that's not just saving face.
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So...where exactly in all this does ABC Studios factor in?
Iron Fist season 1 really killed the momentum.

ABC Studios factor is a production company contracted by Marvel Television. Basically the wardrobe, casting agents, camera operators, etc, etc, etc are employees of ABC Studios. Netflix has the money and platform, Marvel TV has the creative control, ABC has the equipment.
 
Iron Fist season 1 really killed the momentum.
More like Punisher is an outlier, since that broke the linear slope, with DDs3 being too little too late
 
I'm unfortunately hearing rumors about that Daredevil won't be picked up by Disney because Netflix still have the first three seasons, which sadly enough sounds like a plausible reason.

This is mainly the reason I've always thought the cancelled shows won't be picked up by another streaming service or network. Basically Netflix still has the exclusive streaming right in the US for the old seasons, so it is really hard to market to US audience that they will have to subscribe to Netflix plus the new streaming service to watch the whole series. The exclusive streaming right of past seasons can be bought from Netflix of course, but considering the decline in viewers I don't think Disney is willing to spend more.
 
So you guys think this was strictly a Disney move and not a decision related to ratings?
Yes. I'm almost positive that this is something going on behind the scenes. Lots of money and egos are at play here. The fact that Disney is starting their own streaming service, combines with their buy out of Fox, I can see them wanting to cut middle men like Netflix out when they now will own their own streaming service and multiple adult cable networks like FX. And who knows, maybe they might be thinking of transitioning Daredevil from the small screen to the big one.
 
So you guys think this was strictly a Disney move and not a decision related to ratings?
I think it's a little bit of everything. The show was reportedly not cheap to make and the Disney situation added potential collateral costs so the viewership numbers have to be strong enough to justify those two things.
 
Like Mike Murdock, I don't think it was a single reason. However, I doubt Disney announcing their own streaming premium subscription service helped. That had to be the central reason.
 
They should have never done 13 episode seasons.
 
I cant take the "cost" excuse seriously. Netflix throws money around like theyve got the US Treasury printing them money at their beck and call. I get sick of uber successful companies acting like they cant afford ****. Looking at you, AAA video game companies. So before Netflix says anything about the cost being to blame maybe they should stop buying distribution rights for every POS indie film and paying dump-truck loads of cash to produce every POS idea that's pitched to them by every hack in the industry.
 
If you’re Disney would you buy the show from Netflix and move it to Hulu?????
 
I cant take the "cost" excuse seriously. Netflix throws money around like theyve got the US Treasury printing them money at their beck and call. I get sick of uber successful companies acting like they cant afford ****. Looking at you, AAA video game companies. So before Netflix says anything about the cost being to blame maybe they should stop buying distribution rights for every POS indie film and paying dump-truck loads of cash to produce every POS idea that's pitched to them by every hack in the industry.

It's pretty clear it wasn't the cost or viewership. This definitely has to do with Disney now no longer being a business partner with Netflix and becoming a competitor. Why would they continue to produce a show that is effectively advertising for Disney's streaming program?

The big question now is if Disney decides to continue these on Hulu or not.
 
Do you think Disney's streaming service has anything to do with this?

i really believe this is the issue. How else do you explain the highest ratings per show on streaming ? you don't do that to a show having that much proven success .
and cant blame it on budget cuts as yet we still see several new Netflix arriving.
i've seen articles suggesting that the Disney take over would only affect the Marvel movies on Netflix, but with the grand opening for Disney own streaming service
right around the corner, you can't help but feel it's surely related to the shocking Daredevil/Superhero hero series cancellation. There's no other reason.

And forget Hulu, Amazon, etc. If Disney has claimed the rights that even super giant streaming Netflix cannot have, no way any other steam service is going to get the rights.

If we see any more Daredevils, etc. It's going to be from the hands of Disney (watered down and ABC-type family driven or not)
 
It's a shame to see a high-quality show like this get cancelled, when so much dreck is being offered as "entertainment." Many thanks to everyone whose hard work made this series so special - especially Charlie Cox, for his amazing portrayal of Matt Murdock/DD.
 
It's a shame this decision came to be. I do hope these characters can continue in future films or series on Hulu potentially like many of you have suggested. And while Scott Buck may be to blame for the slow decline in quality of the Marvel shows, let's not forget his pitiful attempt to bring The Inhumans to TV as well.

I do think Vincent D'Onofrio's Kingpin can exist in the MCU. I'd love to see him take on Spider-Man even after the opening boss battle in the latest PS4 game if that has anything to go by. All these actors/characters can be salvaged too IMO with the exception of a few perhaps. I do think while did he make improve a little, Finn Jones as Iron Fist was still the weakest link. And it always irked me the way they pronounced K'un L'un. Blame Scott Buck?! ;)

It might take some convincing for some of the actors to go up against the big names, but they can make it work. Jon Bernthal has already proven himself worthy as an actor on the silver screen, so his Frank Castle should remain. And maybe they should reboot all the Netflix based characters. I was gutted that Ben Urich got killed, for example. Resurrect him, lol.
 
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I think it was completely Netflix's call. It's really hard to say since we don't know the numbers and only have rumors. I know Iron Fist season one was rumored to have the highest viewership so it's likely with that being receive poorly kill enthusiasm for casual viewers only keeping Marvel fans on. But also they could all still be making a profit, but just not enough of a profit. If they could invest in a show that's cheaper to make and get the same number of viewers they get more money.

Doubt that's it, Disney would get directly involved with this, it's purely a Netflix/Marvel Television. Way down on the totem pole as it were. Disney may be many things but they have yet to really micro manage Marvel in any significant way. Beside, Netflix were the ones funding it.

Netflix orders the season provides the funds for the budget, Marvel Television makes it (creative direction, contracts for production companies, etc), then Netflix distributes it and takes most the profits, some of which is paid to Marvel as licensing fees. As zenith16 pointed out they benefit more with Millar World, which would cut out the middle man and give Netflix more control.


In fact the more I think about it the more I feel the partnership with Millar World is the cause. If it wasn't MW it would have been something else and this just an inevitable outcome.

I could also see it be a situation where Netflix offered to order more shows but with less budget per episode and Marvel turned them down.
well there are other factor's as well. one of my fave sci fi writers who has worked for marvel , he's mostly known for his shows of babylon 5 Jeremya and is a well know creator of characters like He -man& she-ra he had a show called Sense 8

here's the thing JMS show are known for being very well written shows that complement the actors and when it's sci -fi man this guy Excelles with the small budget he gets and knows how to do it on the cheap and make look movie qulity or to rival it . his show of Babylon competed with Generoddnebrry's star trek DS9 after all.




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But the point i'm getting is sense 8 the money budget was handle by net flix and they screwed up that series by having be too expensive. not him. since then net flix has been weird about Expence these day's . they should have ask to help make cheaper but no they kept it to them selves and they weirdly tried to cancle the show with out a dangler BTW

. Since then the people that run net flix have been weird of late and want every thing they are still Expand studio's in place like Where I'm at montreal for the timing being. but that's what been happening.

and Even bigger factor add to the factor of money is as was put up this week by EPn.tv with victor Lucas. as mentioned by vic him self in the video below i that price hikes have become a factor

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Daredevil Cancelled and Anthem Alpha! - The Rundown - Electric Playground


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#PlayForever #Daredevil #Anthem Today in the Rundown, we discuss the cancellation of Daredevil and what it means for the future of Marvel and Netflix. We also find out when the closed alpha test for BioWare's new game Anthem will go online, have the latest from the Elder Scrolls universe, and finally, get animated with some very good news about Blade Runner!


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As stated elsewhere, Disney+ will not feature R/TV-MA content. Therefore Daredevil and the other Defenders shows will not be on Disney+. If they are to keep them going on any streaming service, Hulu would be more likely as they would own a majority stake in it once the FOX deal completes.

Another possible option would be FX if they opt to put the shows on a network as opposed to just streaming.
so I had to look back at what Bob igor said when the fox acquisition happened and when he said that they interesting marvel doing other genre's via what fox sorta start with new mutants movie and were looking into Harror for the MCU movies .

can't see why it can't apply here with tv too.all they have do is add parent control's for those parent that don't their kid that don't want them to watch more mature content. But I'm betting on Hulu, regardless.




And there was that thing with the winter soldier , and I'm sorry we did see death with Coulson in the first avenger movie which was a graphic death not to mention on agents of shield where he killed his former supposed friend turned hydra agent by incinerating him.
last there's that anime I mentioned called
which rival's the gritty people liked and the Rated Language too. Which aired on Disney XD after hour's some year's back . so people can't say Disney made every thing Family friendly as an excuse to hate on things they even bought Episodes of Naruto and that show as pretty violent but they aired them .
 
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I'm bummed! This was/is the best Marvel series (in my opinion of course). The third season especially was stellar and I was looking forward to a new villain.
 
I cant take the "cost" excuse seriously. Netflix throws money around like theyve got the US Treasury printing them money at their beck and call. I get sick of uber successful companies acting like they cant afford ****. Looking at you, AAA video game companies. So before Netflix says anything about the cost being to blame maybe they should stop buying distribution rights for every POS indie film and paying dump-truck loads of cash to produce every POS idea that's pitched to them by every hack in the industry.

Considering how desperately cheap and drawn out many seasons have been, I'm not hearing anything about costs. Disney have got to be involved at some level. I don't see Daredevil dying now if Disney weren't about to dive into a streaming service.
 
I m in the minority , but Id love to see a full theatrical DD movie in a few years with this cast and crew.

Is there any legal reason why that wouldnt work?
 
Technically no. The question is does Disney want to.
 
It's pretty clear it wasn't the cost or viewership. This definitely has to do with Disney now no longer being a business partner with Netflix and becoming a competitor. Why would they continue to produce a show that is effectively advertising for Disney's streaming program?

The big question now is if Disney decides to continue these on Hulu or not.

This is exactly why. Conflict of interest.

And I don't think it will come to Hulu given how wrapped up these shows are in the Netflix contracts in which they'll remain there. I think the only chance we have of seeing these characters again are in movie form (in which in the contracts it was worked out they could appear) in which case, they'll likely be recast.

Regardless, this sucks. Despite their rocky track record, Daredevil was a cut above all of them. This was a great show. It's ****ing Daredevil for God's sake! On a matter of principle, he deserves so much more than this. There was such an abundance of material where this could have lasted for years. I wanted to see them bring Typhoid Mary (I'm aware she's in Iron Fist) dive into the Brubaker stuff. Bring in Mia, the Owl, Mr. Fear, Lady Bullseye, doing more with Kingpin like in Brubaker's run (I would have loved to have seen a whole episode adapting that one where he escapes to Spain and falls in love with that woman after Vanessa's death; it's a beautiful story) expanding the Hand by actually making them a lot cooler than they were in Defenders, etc.

Goddamn. What a crying shame. At least we got Kingpin, Punisher, Elektra, the Hand and Bullseye. They covered the essentials at least.

I was afraid this would happen. Jessica Jones and Punisher haven't been cancelled yet because they're in production but they're next.
 

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