Justice League Zack Snyder Directing Justice League (The Snyder Cut Edition)

[SupermanFan]

I still think that scene in the Capitol would have been far more effective if Lex could have used something against Superman that’s set off his heat vision so people actually did think Superman had gone bad. That would have made way more sense to me why things escalate with Batman.

 

[idiot09]

I still think that scene in the Capitol would have been far more effective if Lex could have used something against Superman that’s set off his heat vision so people actually did think Superman had gone bad. That would have made way more sense to me why things escalate with Batman.

You know what I would have changed if I could change one thing? I would have had Lex lie to Superman...tell him that Batman is also involved in the kidnap of Martha. Then it would make sense for Superman to go in absolute gung ho ready to destroy Batman.

 

[TheVileOne]

Are you referring to the desert incident at the start of BVS?
If so:
The US had declared it was staying neutral in the civil war, but then secretly sent in the CIA to make a deal with General Amajagh.
Although the CIA knows Superman didn't kill Amajagh or his men, they can't reveal that without exposing that the US was lying and planning to help overthrow an foreign government.

However, Senator Finch and the others on the committee don't know this, so they have no reason to doubt the testimony Kahina gives them, the testimony Luthor scripted for her. The CIA won't exonerate Superman in order to protect themselves from scrutiny.

That makes Swanwick even look like more of an *******. It also makes Lois look like a dick for not informing Clark, you know, the man she loves of her findings and how Lex Luthor was gaslighting him.

 

[SupermanFan]

You know what I would have changed if I could change one thing? I would have had Lex lie to Superman...tell him that Batman is also involved in the kidnap of Martha. Then it would make sense for Superman to go in absolute gung ho ready to destroy Batman.

That’s pretty good, I might steal that idea for my changes to the DCEU Vidcast episode I’m gonna do. I’ll be sure to say it was your idea lol

 

[Aurakles]

That makes Swanwick even look like more of an *******. It also makes Lois look like a dick for not informing Clark, you know, the man she loves of her findings and how Lex Luthor was gaslighting him.

It is pretty unusual for Cabinet Secretaries to publicly reveal state secrets showing the US was plotting a coup. A fact which, if reveled could prompt a backlash including terrorist attacks and the deaths of Americans. Luthor exploited the Government being two faced, essentially blackmailing them; You can't expose my crimes without exposing your own.

Lois did try to contact Superman between finding out and him arriving at the Capital but didn't manage to reach him in time. (I'm actually not sure if that scene was in the Theatrical cut or just the Ultimate)

 

[TheVileOne]

It is pretty unusual for Cabinet Secretaries to publicly reveal state secrets showing the US was plotting a coup. A fact which, if reveled could prompt a backlash including terrorist attacks and the deaths of Americans. Luthor exploited the Government being two faced, essentially blackmailing them; You can't expose my crimes without exposing your own.

They could've easily leaked that information. What benefit is Superman taking the brunt for the attack?

Also, if Amajagh isn't dead, what happened to him? If he's in prison, wouldn't the senator and public know about it? Also, if he was meant to live, Snyder should've keyed the audience into that.

Lois did try to contact Superman between finding out and him arriving at the Capital but didn't manage to reach him in time. (I'm actually not sure if that scene was in the Theatrical cut or just the Ultimate)

She talked to him after what happened at the Capital. She said nothing.

 

[Aurakles]

They could've easily leaked that information. What benefit is Superman taking the brunt for the attack?

Also, if Amajagh isn't dead, what happened to him? If he's in prison, wouldn't the senator and public know about it? Also, if he was meant to live, Snyder should've keyed the audience into that.



She talked to him after what happened at the Capital. She said nothing.

He did leak it, to Lois, but he wouldn't go on record about it. The benefit was not exposing the US Goverments covert ops to overthrow another country.
I would imagine Amajagh is still in Nairomi, either captured by the local government or still fighting them. Either way he's unlikely to be able to take a trip to Washington. Snyder did have Superman say "I didn't kill tose men".
She did try to tell Clark about it after the bombing; "There are people behind this" but he left before she could fully explain.

 

[souperman]

Lois is told by GS that it was Lex setting up Superman and that it was classified
Superman arrives at capital for hearing, Lois stuck outside can't tell about Lex
BOOM
Superman on balcony is upset.
Lois says, " Clark, there are people behind this"...
He interrupts, upset that he didn't see it. Superman's not real.
Lois tries to comfort and remind him of HOPE
He flys off


Later she finds out about the lead in the wheelchair...
realizes the proof that Lex was behind bomb too.
Clark is on his sojourn in the arctic then she is kidnapped... never gets to tell him.
When he catches her after Lex pushes her from the building, Superman kinda gets the message that Lex is the bad guy... She doesn't need to tell him

SPOILERS...

 

[TheVileOne]

He did leak it, to Lois, but he wouldn't go on record about it. The benefit was not exposing the US Goverments covert ops to overthrow another country.
I would imagine Amajagh is still in Nairomi, either captured by the local government or still fighting them. Either way he's unlikely to be able to take a trip to Washington. Snyder did have Superman say "I didn't kill tose men".
She did try to tell Clark about it after the bombing; "There are people behind this" but he left before she could fully explain.

That's all bad writing and storytelling.

 

[Aurakles]

That's all bad writing and storytelling.

I disagree.
Difference in personal preference I suppose.

 

[TheVileOne]

1. "Clark, Lex Luthor did this. He's trying to manipulate you. It wasn't your fault! I have evidence he was behind this!"
2. The general being alive sort of destroys this whole subplot. And then we are never shown he's still alive and what happened to him.
3. It would've made more sense if the government was holding Superman responsible for the collateral damage in Metropolis for the fight with Zod.

 

[misslane38]

1. "Clark, Lex Luthor did this. He's trying to manipulate you. It wasn't your fault! I have evidence he was behind this!"
2. The general being alive sort of destroys this whole subplot. And then we are never shown he's still alive and what happened to him.
3. It would've made more sense if the government was holding Superman responsible for the collateral damage in Metropolis for the fight with Zod.

Why would they? Their own military was working with Superman on a pre-agreed upon plan. Their own planes crashed into buildings in Metropolis and fired on Smallville. The US Government criticizing Superman for what happened, especially as it's clear that Zod was responsible, is ludicrous. Now, civilians like Keefe are another story, and it's told in BvS to good effect.

Plus, Lex being behind things may change public opinion but not Superman's internal conflict. He's concerned his love for Lois and faith in humanity blinded him to the way his actions had consequences: Lois was bait in Nairomi; he didn't think to survey the Capitol. Many of the questions the media and Finch were asking were more about how humans engage with Superman. It wasn't all about blame, so Lex's role isn't enough to resolve the issues at stake.

 

[TheVileOne]

Why would they? Their own military was working with Superman on a pre-agreed upon plan. Their own planes crashed into buildings in Metropolis and fired on Smallville. The US Government criticizing Superman for what happened, especially as it's clear that Zod was responsible, is ludicrous. Now, civilians like Keefe are another story, and it's told in BvS to good effect.

Why would they target Superman and blame him for an attack and deaths they know were caused by Lex Luthor?

 

[Da-Scribe]

Please don’t let @TheVileOne bait y’all into arguing over BvS and MoS.

 

[misslane38]

Please don’t let @TheVileOne bait y’all into arguing over BvS and MoS.

Good advice.

 

[misslane38]

You know what I would have changed if I could change one thing? I would have had Lex lie to Superman...tell him that Batman is also involved in the kidnap of Martha. Then it would make sense for Superman to go in absolute gung ho ready to destroy Batman.

Superman should not want to destroy Batman, especially on the word of Luthor alone. Having empathy for how Bruce had been manipulated and seeking his forgiveness and help before being forced to fight for his and his mother's survival is a more emotionally rich approach that showcases Superman's magnanimity well.

 

[Captain Tired]

Yeah, it's a better look for Superman that he's given the opportunity to appear calm and rational, and to try and explain the situation to Batman before things get more heated and he's having to fight him proper.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

The breakdown of communication between them doesn't really work for me, that scene needed to be much smarter than it is but the basic premise that Superman goes in rationally trying to make things better and Batman is so lost to his fanaticism that it just doesn't register was the correct way to do it.

 

[Predator jp]

i just think the whole Nairomi plotline needlessly overcomplicated things.

 

[SwordOfMorning]

The Nairomi plotline is bad in the extended but made for by far the funniest narrative problem in the theatrical cut where they seemingly cared so little about what they hacked from the movie they implied everyone thought Superman was machine gunning people.

That whole sub-plot just reeks of Terrio retreating to his comfort zone of mediocre political thrillers.

 

[Limonade]

The Nairomi plotline is bad in the extended but made for by far the funniest narrative problem in the theatrical cut where they seemingly cared so little about what they hacked from the movie they implied everyone thought Superman was machine gunning people.

That whole sub-plot just reeks of Terrio retreating to his comfort zone of mediocre political thrillers.

Which is fine if they let Terrio follow through to the end, but the movie was bloated as it is...

 

[SwordOfMorning]

Lois getting a big sub-plot is a great idea and my dream Superman movie would have her as essentially a co-lead (I actually think a Superman movie told from her POV where she's essentially the main character could be great), so I really want to like all that stuff in BvS but apart from Amy Adams herself it's just... Very flat to me.

 

[Da-Scribe]

Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice

 

[misslane38]

i just think the whole Nairomi plotline needlessly overcomplicated things.

Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice

Seconded.

 

[Captain Tired]

I haven't seen BvS in an age, and so I might be slightly off base in what I'm about to ask here, but why would the authorities even believe that Superman killed those terrorists? Putting aside that they were burnt to a crisp, they all had multiple bullets embedded in their bodies, didn't they? Surely even a cursory autopsy would find that to be the case?