Justice League Zack Snyder Directing Justice League (The Snyder Cut Edition)

[Da-Scribe]

So yeah, I’m interested to see how Martian Manhunter is explained in ZSJL. I personally feel like Zack will have it as him just being scared to show his true self. Fear seems to be the major obstacle all of Zack’s heroes have to overcome.

I do think there’s something to be said about a black guy playing a character that maybe assimilates outta fear. Themes of code switching and all that. But we’ll see if Zack takes it there.

 

[Spider-jedi]

this discussion about Bvs is another reason i didnt like the movie. it always comes back into discussions and causes arguments rather than good debates. that is the biggest failure of the movie in my opinion.

like it was mentioned earlier lets move the discussion to the Bvs thread. Lets try keep this one on topic

 

[Mandon Knight]

The most 'confusing' of it all, as such, is that Superman 'starts' the fight with Batman, he goes to talk it through and waits all of a second before saying 'F-this' and sends Batman flying. THAT's the part I have the most problem with of a film I adore.

 

[SupermanFan]

I haven't seen BvS in an age, and so I might be slightly off base in what I'm about to ask here, but why would the authorities even believe that Superman killed those terrorists? Putting aside that they were burnt to a crisp, they all had multiple bullets embedded in their bodies, didn't they? Surely even a cursory autopsy would find that to be the case?

Because that woman said he did

 

[Calvin Ellis]

The most 'confusing' of it all, as such, is that Superman 'starts' the fight with Batman, he goes to talk it through and waits all of a second before saying 'F-this' and sends Batman flying. THAT's the part I have the most problem with of a film I adore.

Because of the talk he had with the woman whose husband was killed she said Batman doesn't understand reason only a fist which is why are trying to talk to him he started to fight him to get him to understand.

 

[souperman]

That's all bad writing and storytelling.

Could be. Also could be bad watching and understanding.

 

[Limonade]

Could be. Also could be bad watching and understanding.

biases can cloud the mind as well

 

[Mandon Knight]

Because of the talk he had with the woman whose husband was killed she said Batman doesn't understand reason only a fist which is why are trying to talk to him he started to fight him to get him to understand.

Yeah, I get that, but violence should have been the last resort, not the first, where Superman is concerned.

 

[souperman]

It’s astonishing that people expect the logic and clarity from a movie plot when we cannot get logic and clarity in our real lives. People lie. People have agendas. People hide the truth for unknown reasons. Movies reflect reality but it is so much more comfortable when things are spelled out and rational and reasonable. We desire these things almost never get them in real life.

To have that kind of comfort we need to go back and watch 1950s TV sitcom’s like leave it to Beaver toto have that kind of comfort we need to go back and watch 1950s TV sitcom’s like leave it to Beaver and father knows Best. Always explains the morality tale at the end

 

[dhandler01]

Lois is told by GS that it was Lex setting up Superman and that it was classified
Superman arrives at capital for hearing, Lois stuck outside can't tell about Lex
BOOM
Superman on balcony is upset.
Lois says, " Clark, there are people behind this"...
He interrupts, upset that he didn't see it. Superman's not real.
Lois tries to comfort and remind him of HOPE
He flys off


Later she finds out about the lead in the wheelchair...
realizes the proof that Lex was behind bomb too.
Clark is on his sojourn in the arctic then she is kidnapped... never gets to tell him.
When he catches her after Lex pushes her from the building, Superman kinda gets the message that Lex is the bad guy... She doesn't need to tell him

SPOILERS...

I think, while it makes sense, it was the wrong way to go about it. I dont think it landed with the audience in either version of the film. (even those of us who love the film) I think this is Terrio trying WAY too hard to make BvS into Argo.

 

[dhandler01]

The breakdown of communication between them doesn't really work for me, that scene needed to be much smarter than it is but the basic premise that Superman goes in rationally trying to make things better and Batman is so lost to his fanaticism that it just doesn't register was the correct way to do it.

Yes Superman should not be the aggressor.

 

[souperman]

So yeah, I’m interested to see how Martian Manhunter is explained in ZSJL. I personally feel like Zack will have it as him just being scared to show his true self. Fear seems to be the major obstacle all of Zack’s heroes have to overcome.

I do think there’s something to be said about a black guy playing a character that maybe assimilates outta fear. Themes of code switching and all that. But we’ll see if Zack takes it there.

 

[souperman]

The above is only a joke because I don’t know what code switching is.

 

[souperman]

Do we know for a fact that Martian man Hunter is always GS. or is there an actual general as well.

 

[dhandler01]

Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice

I aint never going back there. That forum made me quit this board for months...as did the fallout over Justice League.

BvS is reasonable to discuss in the context of ZSJL we just need to avoid trolling. It isnt like there is a bevy of things to talk about and we always stay on topic. We spent pages talking about a WW picture that wasnt in any film and wont be in any film because Zack had it in an interview. Most of us are likeminded and are respectful and can handle a little back and forth.

ZSJL is the conclusion to the story from MOS and BvS...if we cant talk about them then what is the point?

 

[dhandler01]

It’s astonishing that people expect the logic and clarity from a movie plot when we cannot get logic and clarity in our real lives. People lie. People have agendas. People hide the truth for unknown reasons. Movies reflect reality but it is so much more comfortable when things are spelled out and rational and reasonable. We desire these things almost never get them in real life.

To have that kind of comfort we need to go back and watch 1950s TV sitcom’s like leave it to Beaver toto have that kind of comfort we need to go back and watch 1950s TV sitcom’s like leave it to Beaver and father knows Best. Always explains the morality tale at the end

I think it is more that we are willing to accept all of that if it is explained in a way that makes logical sense. We all know the US government pulls crap around the world and has for decades that isnt the problem. We know politicians lie and cheat and steal. We know Lex Luthor was behind it all and that very few others (in the film) get that. The problem isn't the idea, the problem (to many) is the execution.

Maybe it would have worked better if Lex was introduced before BvS. (not just a name on a truck but the character) To many the version of Lex we see in BvS doesn't seem like a guy who could have that kind of explicit power. (nowadays though...with what has happened in America it would be different for sure) He just acts like a d-bag not some criminal mastermind who can bend the world to his whims. Personally I loved it but I also got when people I knew said they didn't buy he could do what he planned so quickly. Sure these same people accept the Joker in TDK could plan 50 contingencies but that is because Ledger made you buy that and Nolan is better at crafting the story on screen for the masses. Snyder never really makes Lex feel that way and I don't think Jesse really plays it that way. This Lex should have been in MOS acting this way (very minor part mind you but still enough to show his public and private personas...maybe Lois discusses a story on Lex Corp and Clark meets Lex for a minute somewhere) so that way when he shows up here the audience recognizes who and what he is without expectations and it becomes more believable that he could be as powerful and plotting as he is. We are just kind of supposed to accept it and I don't think that works in a film like this for many people.

See the problem is unlike other CBMs which basically flash a spotlight on the idea we aren't supposed to take any of this seriously, these films wanted to be seen as more than just comic book fare. They wanted to touch on deeper themes and higher ideals. That is why many of us love them even if we criticize them. The problem is, if you want to to be taken seriously you are gonna be under a more scrutinized eye. People will accept things in say Fast and the Furious they won't in No Country For Old Men.

JMHO. Doesn't change the love I have for the film at all.

 

[Da-Scribe]

I aint never going back there. That forum made me quit this board for months...as did the fallout over Justice League.

BvS is reasonable to discuss in the context of ZSJL we just need to avoid trolling. It isnt like there is a bevy of things to talk about and we always stay on topic. We spent pages talking about a WW picture that wasnt in any film and wont be in any film because Zack had it in an interview. Most of us are likeminded and are respectful and can handle a little back and forth.

ZSJL is the conclusion to the story from MOS and BvS...if we cant talk about them then what is the point?

It’s fine if you want to talk about how those movies relate to ZSJL, but that ain’t the case here. It’s just pages of folks critiquing the individual films. And these conversations have been done to death anyways. Don’t think it’s too much to ask to take what is already an exhausting and years old conversation to it’s appropriate thread.

The above is only a joke because I don’t know what code switching is.

In terms of minorities, it’s basically something we do to navigate between our own cultures and white society. Big Mouth has a fun and informative episode on the concept.

 

[Aurakles]

... so I'm the only one who actually went to the BVS threads to discuss this?
Goshdarnnit.

 

[souperman]

easy fix...



You think you can mess with his mother ?

Explains and excuses Superman's reaction and momentary anger.

 

[Arachnerd]

So... about this JL thing coming out in March...

 

[souperman]

So... about this JL thing coming out in March...

 

[kguillou]

Damn do any of y’all follow Chris Wong Swenson on Youtube? He dropped a video today basically saying hes given up on DC Films (in light of this latest Fisher thing) and his channel is steering away from DC coverage. Sad because that guy was always a huge DC cheerleader and one of the biggest #RTSC pillars but he seems broken over all the drama happening over there. He always had a very optimistic tone to his videos....although he seemed a little too obsessed with Snyder.

Idk, just thought i’d share that.

 

[emielaen]

Damn do any of y’all follow Chris Wong Swenson on Youtube? He dropped a video today basically saying hes given up on DC Films (in light of this latest Fisher thing) and his channel is steering away from DC coverage. Sad because that guy was always a huge DC cheerleader and one of the biggest #RTSC pillars but he seems broken over all the drama happening over there. He always had a very optimistic tone to his videos....although he seemed a little too obsessed with Snyder.

Idk, just thought i’d share that.

I imagine a lot of Snyder fans will “give up on DC Films” after SC. But what did they think would happen? Fisher would all of a sudden not care about the investigation and take the job? Or WB would fire Hamada? I’ve heard of the dude, but that’s dramatic and kinda silly imo. The people they’re so upset with literally backed the movie they’ve been begging for and now they’re still whining left and right? Having issues is whatever, but announcing some breakup with a brand name is weird.

 

[Spider-jedi]

The above is only a joke because I don’t know what code switching is.

Code switching is when we black people switch communication style and some behaviors. we act a certain way around each other but then code switch when we get among white people. sometimes we do it to make them feel more comfortable around us.

 

[souperman]

Gotcha ...

I do the same thing among... everyone.