Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings General Discussion and Speculation thread

[Dark Raven]

Shang Chi can beat Danny and Johnny. He'll have a tough time against Kreese unless he gets powers somehow.

Why would Shang Chi have any trouble with Kreese at all?

 

[Dr. Evil]

Why would Shang Chi have any trouble with Kreese at all?

Because Kreese is a guy who would cheat to win.....at all costs. no matter what. I didn't say Shang Chi would lose, I only said that he would have a tough time against Kreese because Kreese would cheat.

 

[Iceman]

Shang Chi can beat Danny and Johnny. He'll have a tough time against Kreese unless he gets powers somehow.

Does Shang Chi strike hard and strike fast? Does he have mercy?

 

[Dr. Evil]

Does Shang Chi strike hard and strike fast? Does he have mercy?

He has all three.

 

[Dark Raven]

Because Kreese is a guy who would cheat to win.....at all costs. no matter what. I didn't say Shang Chi would lose, I only said that he would have a tough time against Kreese because Kreese would cheat.

But would it be that different from Bruce Lee fighting O'Hara in Enter the Dragon?



O'Hara was also the type to cheat at all costs to win, but he could barely lay a hand on Bruce Lee. And then when he did play dirty to win, Bruce Lee killed him by jumping on his neck. I can see Shang Chi doing something similar to Kreese if forced into it.

 

[Iceman]

But would it be that different from Bruce Lee fighting O'Hara in Enter the Dragon?



O'Hara was also the type to cheat at all costs to win, but he could barely lay a hand on Bruce Lee. And then when he did play dirty to win, Bruce Lee killed him by jumping on his neck. I can see Shang Chi doing something similar to Kreese if forced into it.

Bruce Lee was...Bruce Lee. That is a major advantage to have.

 

[Dark Raven]

Bruce Lee was...Bruce Lee. That is a major advantage to have.

I think every proper martial arts star from Hong Kong cinema could beat Kreese. Definitely Sammo Hung would make mincemeat of him.

 

[chintai80]

I think every proper martial arts star from Hong Kong cinema could beat Kreese. Definitely Sammo Hung would make mincemeat of him.

most definitely.
sammo's even fought off a chinese vampire/zombie!

 

[Dark Raven]

most definitely.
sammo's even fought off a chinese vampire/zombie!

Kreese is like the type of bully who would underestimate Sammo because he's fat, and would think he can easily get the better of him. And then Sammo would take him down without even breaking a sweat, and probably using something as simple as a blackboard duster.

And that's the level of competence I'd expect to see from Shang Chi. I don't expect him to not struggle against some of the much tougher villains, but any bully types need to be dealt with swiftly and easily.

 

[Spider-Fan]

But Kick Ass and Kingsman never look as good as martial arts films choreographed by the likes of Sammo Hung. And they really could've gotten Sammo and others in this film in supporting roles or as opponents to face.

I think people expecting martial arts on the level of things like The Raid are going to walk away disappointed. This movie I think will likely have solid martial arts....by Hollywood standards. So since that is my expectation, I think I will end up happy. But those wanting to see MCU Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon....I am not confident your enjoyment level will be high

 

[Dark Raven]

I think people expecting martial arts on the level of things like The Raid are going to walk away disappointed. This movie I think will likely have solid martial arts....by Hollywood standards. So since that is my expectation, I think I will end up happy. But those wanting to see MCU Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon....I am not confident your enjoyment level will be high

That's exactly what I don't want to see. If they did a faithful recreation of that film and its fighting style then my enjoyment level would definitely not be high. That is probably the worst example of a martial arts film one could cite, because it's mainly just wirework and doesn't show any real fighting skills.

In fact, you make my very point for me. I don't expect to see something like the Raid, but I definitely don't want to see something like Crouching Tiger either as the type of film they aspire to.

 

[moped]

Hope I don't sound rude but why is it always just Crouching Tiger or The Raid? There's Ip Man , SPL , Once Upon a Time in China , Fearless , Meals on Wheels etc , which are far better MA films than those two imo.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Hope I don't sound rude but why is it always just Crouching Tiger or The Raid? There's Ip Man , SPL , Once Upon a Time in China , Fearless , Meals on Wheels etc , which are far better MA films than those two imo.

Popularity probably. I just named movies at the top of my head man. No need to be triggered about it. I wasn't doing some deep dive about Martial Arts in cinema in my post

 

[Dark Raven]

Hope I don't sound rude but why is it always just Crouching Tiger or The Raid? There's Ip Man , SPL , Once Upon a Time in China , Fearless , Meals on Wheels etc , which are far better MA films than those two imo.

Those are the films I would automatically think of and even hold as the standard instead of either the Raid or Crouching Tiger.

Also I think maybe those not as familiar with Hong Kong cinema martial arts films may be those who would immediately cite the Raid or Crouching Tiger, but for those who are familiar, those two wouldn't even come to mind.

 

[chintai80]

Hope I don't sound rude but why is it always just Crouching Tiger or The Raid? There's Ip Man , SPL , Once Upon a Time in China , Fearless , Meals on Wheels etc , which are far better MA films than those two imo.

not to mention lot of the shaw bros stuff like 5 deadly venoms and 36th chamber of shaolin.
those are classics. and showed better fighting choreography than cthd, imo.

 

[mclay18]

Can anyone explain the Labor Day release? I know Disney and Marvel like to break records in months that aren’t known for big blockbusters ... but why not the week before or after?

 

[Mike Murdock]

Three day weekend?

 

[metaphysician]

*cough* My own benchmark is an easy modern one- I want Shang Chi to look largely like a higher budget, bigger scale Into The Badlands. Both in terms of "this is how talented I want the martial artists to be" and "this is how fantastic I want the martial arts to be". Because while I appreciate that The Raid is high quality, its also fairly mundane, and Shang-Chi shouldn't be mundane. He *should* be the kind of guy who does fantastic magical wire fu in between smashing statues and beating up a hundred guys.

 

[Dark Raven]

"Wire fu" is more like "ok, you aren't as skilled, let's stick you on some wires and defy gravity to compensate for that."

There was not a single instance in either Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon or House of Flying Daggers where I thought that was ever better than the fighting in a classic martial arts film.

 

[Dr. Evil]

*cough* My own benchmark is an easy modern one- I want Shang Chi to look largely like a higher budget, bigger scale Into The Badlands. Both in terms of "this is how talented I want the martial artists to be" and "this is how fantastic I want the martial arts to be". Because while I appreciate that The Raid is high quality, its also fairly mundane, and Shang-Chi shouldn't be mundane. He *should* be the kind of guy who does fantastic magical wire fu in between smashing statues and beating up a hundred guys.

I'll be surprised if this has a low budget. From the trailer, it doesn't look like it will have a low budget.

 

[chintai80]

if they can get the fights to this level, it would be considered very good:



i can see them mixing this with wire fu when they do super human abilities like when they do their crazy high jumps and super hero landing. lol

 

[moped]

if they can get the fights to this level, it would be considered very good:



i can see them mixing this with wire fu when they do super human abilities like when they do their crazy high jumps and super hero landing. lol

Fun fact: From about 3:18 till 3:22 , that's Brad Allan the stunt coordinator for Shang Chi. He had to double for this actor because he couldn't get the choreography right.

 

[Dark Raven]

if they can get the fights to this level, it would be considered very good:



i can see them mixing this with wire fu when they do super human abilities like when they do their crazy high jumps and super hero landing. lol

This is much better than anything in Crouching Tiger. Jackie Chan still manages to be the underdog but is also completely competent and displays insane abilities and survival skills. I wish Marvel looked to him for the fight and stunt choreography for Shang Chi.

Also this fight would never have been as good against both villains if Jackie Chan could simply clone himself.

 

[chintai80]

This is much better than anything in Crouching Tiger. Jackie Chan still manages to be the underdog but is also completely competent and displays insane abilities and survival skills. I wish Marvel looked to him for the fight and stunt choreography for Shang Chi.

Also this fight would never have been as good against both villains if Jackie Chan could simply clone himself.

yea wished they looked to either jackie or sammo.
so many goats came out of that crew - lam ching ying, yuen wah (he use to even double for bruce lee in some movies), yuen biao, etc

but then brad allan who's part of the jackie stunt team is doing the stunt coordinating for this, so that gives me some confidence.

 

[Web-Head]

This is much better than anything in Crouching Tiger. Jackie Chan still manages to be the underdog but is also completely competent and displays insane abilities and survival skills. I wish Marvel looked to him for the fight and stunt choreography for Shang Chi.

Also this fight would never have been as good against both villains if Jackie Chan could simply clone himself.

They really need to get Jackie involved in the sequel in some capacity.