Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings General Discussion and Speculation thread

It’s not even allowed here to meet with 2 additional persons of different households...
Even if vaccinated
 
fully reopen in the US means people sitting there without distance and masks?

Fully reopen doesn't mean people will just return en masse. People will still be skittish for a variety of reasons about being in a potentially packed space. Theaters at least in my area have opened back up since August, but even when looking at big blockbusters like Godzilla v Kong, the theater wasn't even halfway full. The closest I saw to a packed audience was in Christmas with WW1984.

Not to mention theaters still ask that you keep your masks on during the movies. Not that they can enforce that- and why would they?- but you're definitely not gonna see packed theaters or people sitting shoulder to shoulder anytime soon even if theaters in more states start to open up again.
 
Masks on during a movie is an absolute no-no for me. It is not comfortable to breathe by having something over my face for 2 hours, and unless I wear contacts then my glasses will also steam up. I'd rather watch at home than sit in a crowded theatre. I would not want people right next to me in a seat or even in the row in front or behind. There would need to be a gap. But would theatres even want to leave that kind of gap or are they more concerned about box office numbers and ticket sales than safety?
 
Can't speak for everyone, but at least for me, it's been half and half on people wearing masks during the movie. Employees aren't scanning aisles to see whose wearing them, and it's so dark that you'd never notice. Hell, I didn't have mine on during Mortal Kombat and didn't feel less safer. Plus, people are probably more focused on the movie to pester others to put on a mask.

There's probably just not enough people going to the movies for cinemas to justify making people keep on a mask, and again, it'd be a waste of their time to try and enforce it. I imagine if, say, next year when there might be some semblance of regular-sized audiences, maybe theaters will pay more attention to masks in cinemas. That's just a guess, since I don't envision huge audiences coming back in droves this year, masks and vaccines or not.
 
that’s why I think, that premiere access will stay for at least late 2021. There are countries and areas where its not possible to open cinemas with full capacity any time soon
 
I'm concerned that people still recognise me with my mask on whereas superheroes can get away with wearing them all the time and not giving away their identity.
 
shang chi training his iron shirt gung fu:
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shang chi training his one-inch punch:
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It would be great if we got the one inch punch from him.
 
Well that's because we are speaking just from a pure martial art point of view ( or at least I am).Crouching Tiger wasn't terrible or anything , was just ok. You can tell they do not have any background in MA. I believe Zhang Ziyi was like a dancer or something. I think some of the better shots are from a stunt double. I'm not saying they did a terrible job, just not a wow performance.

Michelle Yeoh has been appearing in martial arts movies since the 80's and has done most of her own stunts (Roger Spottiswoode didn't allow her to do that in Tomorrow Never Dies, she did do all the fight scenes though). Crouching Tiger wasn't her first MA movie.
 
Michelle Yeoh has been appearing in martial arts movies since the 80's and has done most of her own stunts (Roger Spottiswoode didn't allow her to do that in Tomorrow Never Dies, she did do all the fight scenes though). Crouching Tiger wasn't her first MA movie.

Ya you're right. I remember watching some of her shows while growing up , I think she used to go by Michelle Khan if I'm not mistaken. I never said that was her first movie though ( I think her background was also in dance? and not MA ) , just wasn't a wow performance.
 
Ya you're right. I remember watching some of her shows while growing up , I think she used to go by Michelle Khan if I'm not mistaken. I never said that was her first movie though ( I think her background was also in dance? and not MA ) , just wasn't a wow performance.

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Marvel's 'Shang-Chi,' 'The Eternals' Face Uphill Battle to Enter China - Variety
A recent Chinese state media report has added to rumors that two major Marvel superhero films, “The Eternals” and “Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings,” may not be approved for release in China.

In a report on the Marvel Cinematic Universe’s Phase Four films, the CCTV6 China Movie Channel aired a list of the U.S. release dates for eight of the ten scheduled titles, but conspicuously left out “The Eternals” and “Shang-Chi.” After “Black Widow,” which hits the U.S. July 9, they are the next two MCU films in the line-up, releasing in North America on Sept. 3 and Nov. 5, respectively.

The omission might seem small, but its significance lies in its provenance: the channel is under the jurisdiction of China’s powerful propaganda department, which has the final word on film approvals.
China does not operate a free market in cinema. All foreign-made films seeking release in Chinese theaters must receive government approval and pass censorship. There are also separate quotas for films imported on flat-fee terms and those, such as Hollywood studio titles, seeking a more lucrative revenue sharing release through a state-owned distributor.

While the China Movie Channel report is not hard evidence that the two titles will be banned from the China market, their omission could be an indication that something about them is troubling Chinese officials.

Both movies have a direct connection to China. “Shang-Chi” will mark the debut of Marvel’s first Asian superhero, played by China-born Simu Liu, alongside Tony Leung Chiu-wai and Michelle Yeoh, both household names in China. “The Eternals” is Marvel’s first tentpole directed by a woman of color — China-born, Oscar-winning Chloé Zhao (“Nomadland”).

That the very two movies one might expect to resonate most with Chinese viewers are now the ones facing censorship concerns highlights the difficulty of navigating the world’s largest film market.

The odds are already more clearly stacked against “The Eternals,” due to Zhao’s position as an unexpected persona non grata in China. A ban on “The Eternals” would be shocking but not implausible, given the recent nationalist backlash that led to Zhao’s name and achievements being wiped from much of the Chinese web.

Chinese state media celebrated her best director win at the February Golden Globes, but by the time her historic three Oscar wins for “Nomadland” rolled around two months later, authorities imposed a media blackout on the news. The film’s scheduled April 23 debut in limited release was pulled, with no explanation or new date set.

Zhao’s troubles show that the trolling in China can have significant real-world consequences — at least when online pressure is aligned with the sentiments authorities wish to encourage, such as nationalism.

This could prove troublesome for “Shang-Chi,” which has been dogged by nationalist complaints for some time.

The Shadow of Fu Manchu
A number of issues have sparked discontent, although it is unclear which, if any, have actually influenced authorities.

First off is the character Fu Manchu, the villain from the original comics who turns out to be Shang-Chi’s father. The character, seen through the years as an embodiment of the “Yellow Peril” stereotype, has been written out of the new film to distance it from these racist connotations. He has been revamped as Wenwu, or “the Mandarin,” played by Hong Kong acting legend Leung.

But many online in China are unaware that the 2021 film has re-imagined the old Fu Manchu character, or simply didn’t care.

“Although ‘the Mandarin’ is not the same person as Fu Manchu, it still is under the shadow of ‘Fu Manchu,’” the official Communist Youth League paper China Youth Daily warned back in 2019. “Even just the announcement of the characters has caused huge controversy in China. Marvel wants ‘Shang-Chi to earn money from global audiences… [but] faces a big challenge. The film itself will decide whether it will end in tears or laughter.”

This week, many Weibo users echoed the sentiment. “So you change the name and it’s not Fu Manchu anymore? The Mandarin is inherently a character that blackens the image of the Chinese people,” one wrote. “I hope China Film and the [censorship authorities] won’t be bought out by this; this kind of film is not worthy of coming to China to make money off us while calling us fools.”

Another of the most common complaints will certainly surprise American fans excited about the film as a landmark for Asian representation. Many online commenters have slammed Liu and Awkwafina for not meeting the typical thin-chinned, high-nosed, pale-skinned, double eye-lidded standards of ideal Chinese beauty. In one of the most toxic arguments of all, many say Marvel cast them in lead roles because the studio “discriminates against Chinese people’s appearance.”

“Foreigners just love to deliberately cast Asian actors with squinty eyes! There are many actors in China and Asia with big eyes and prominent features,” one wrote.

There’s also the vague possibility that Leung has somehow been blacklisted, potentially by taking on a role as politically charged as the Mandarin. Two corruption crime thrillers he stars in have completed production but languished, unable to release (“The Hunting,” “Where the Wind Blows”).

‘Rather Stereotyped’
More broadly speaking, initial reaction to the film’s poster and trailer across Chinese speaking regions has been critical, with many commenters in China, Taiwan and Hong Kong agreeing that it seems prepared to deliver a “rather stereotyped” view of Chinese people and culture: full of kung fu, lanterns, pagodas and the color red.

“These are characters created solely for the purpose of getting a slice of the big cake that is China’s enormous box office – there is no soul in them at all! The hodgepodge of Asian elements in the movie are unintelligible,” one mainlander wrote.

On both the Hong Kong and Taiwan official Marvel YouTube channels, fans expressed similar frustration. “It feels like this will be on the same level as the live-action version of ‘Mulan,’” one wrote of their expectations for authenticity.

Liu, who was born in the Northern Chinese city of Harbin, acknowledged but headed off his haters with a video message posted to Weibo late last month in Mandarin.

He thanked fans for their support, before stating: “To all those other people who are earnestly hoping we will fail, I have nothing to say to you. Just wait and see.”
 
Unfortunate but hardly surprising. Shang Chi would probably have to be an actual Chinese production to get approval. Most of these martial arts films from before were even classed as "Hong Kong" cinema and not films made by mainland China. Of course, there isn't that divide anymore now with HK under China's jurisdiction and with China always censoring things even in HK.

I can see some of their arguments about the shadow of Fu Manchu or about Asian stereotyping. I don't know about their argument about standards of beauty though but can see part of where they're coming from. On the one hand it's true that there are many Chinese who are more attractive than Simu Liu and Awkwafina and having them could promote the ongoing image that Asians aren't as attractive as other races. On the other hand though, if the whole world were able to see that even the likes of Simu Liu or Awkwafina could be considered attractive as they are, then that could change their perception of Asians.
 
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This also means, that Marvel will bow to chinese film restrictions in the future even more. probably never a demon like Mephisto or Chton

Resulting also in Premiere Access being very successful in China. Because not releasing it China doesn’t mean, that it wouldn’t be successful in the targeted audience, who knows ways to watch it anyway
 
Now I wonder whether it will go straight to Disney+ for free to subscribers or will it be premium access for another few weeks. Hopefully it goes to the service for free.
 
Now I wonder whether it will go straight to Disney+ for free to subscribers or will it be premium access for another few weeks. Hopefully it goes to the service for free.

If it did, that sounds similar to what happened with Onward where once it went to Disney+, it was, to my recollection, for free. Then again, different circumstances unless theaters close or cases spike again.
 
Yeah I think Onward was already in the theaters by the time the pandemic hit and things started shutting down. But maybe this 45 day theatrical window is the new normal now? Not many studios are upholding the 90 day window anymore.
 
Yeah that’s 6 weeks basically. Considering there’s a new major release each week, by the 6th week, it will be on its last legs.
 
After 45 days it will go directly to Disney plus, because Premiere Access will still be around this year (see Jungle Cruise) and will be on the same day of theatrical release

Citing Bob Chapek from yesterday
"The Disney Premier Access strategy, one of the things that gives us right now, and we're grateful for, [is] this is the ability to go ahead and try to release things into the market and try to re-prime the pump, if you will. But at the same time, know that for those consumers that are a little leery still about going into a pack theater that they can go ahead and watch it in the safety and convenience of their home. In terms of going beyond this fiscal year, we've not announced exactly what our strategy is going to be in terms of which titles will be theatrical plus Disney Premier Access, which ones will be direct to Disney+, or which ones will go into theaters. But know that we'll continue to watch the evolution of the recovery the theatrical marketplace, and we'll use that flexibility to make the right call at the right time. But right now, we've only called those films that are in this fiscal year because of the relatively fluid nature of the recovery of exhibition."

which means, within this fiscal year, “consumers that are a little leery still about going into a pack theater” will probably have both options.
 
Personally speaking, its much easier to wear a mask inside the cinema because of the air conditioner. At least you're not sweating and walking.

I hate going out (day and night) with a mask on due to the hot weather and eXhaustion. And my sweat literally makes my face mask wet, which makes the mask less effective.
 

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