The Daily Planet - Superman News and Speculation Thread

[Lily Adler]

Darkseid is 1000 times more interesting than Thanos. But they wanted to copy Marvel so they dumbed the Fourth World down and stripped it of everything that makes them one of the best and brightest areas of any comics universe

But no, Snyder, WB, and short sighted fans just want Marvel 2.0 and so they think “what’s closest to what Marvel did?” And then plugged and played a stripped down version of a couple of New Gods characters. Seriously, these people need to actually read the Kirby Fourth World stuff.

But it is these attitudes of the studios and fans that want to make DC follow a Marvel path and Darkseid to be Thanos that really drive me nuts.

The Snyder Cut cost us Ava DuVernay's New Gods film... Actually WB's total mishandling of DC did, but still.

 

[Tg11]

The Snyder Cut cost us Ava DuVernay's New Gods film... Actually WB's total mishandling of DC did, but still.

I mean we still can have all of that in Gunn's universe

 

[Babillygunn]

I’m a strong believer that New Gods needs to be standalone.

 

[Lily Adler]

I mean we still can have all of that in Gunn's universe

 

[Arachnerd]

You mean that scene where his mother could very well have been Martian Manhunter?

Good thing actual Martha was in that scene then.

Never implied that revelation after the talk with Lois was a good thing though. That part should have been scrapped or cut out considering it ruins the conversation beforehand.

You can believe what you want...Snyder had zero plans for Superman he proved it.

I'm not really sure why you chose to ignore the following post where I clarified what I meant to DeadlyWest:

Never said they were beloved. I'm on the same boat in that I didn't like any of those ideas and always disliked the Knightmare stuff from the very beginning. And I say this as someone who actually enjoyed Snyder's DC movies.

Him not having any good ideas for Superman is one of my main criticisms for what he had planned for JL 2 and 3.

The Kent farm scene, complete with the great “you smell nice” dialogue.

The "you smell nice" was a Whedon ADR add-on in Josstice League. In ZSJL, she says "you spoke" after he utters "this is home" because originally, Clark didn't utter a single word during the whole Metropolis fight unlike Josstice League which had the "Do you bleed?" reprise reshoot with Batfleck.

Not saying one can't dislike or have genuine criticisms of ZSJL (as have been pointed out in these last few pages), but I'm confused as to how you got that mixed up.

Anyway, I'm not really looking for further arguments here on this old tiresome discourse. As I've pointed out in a previous post, while I still like Snyder's DC movies to this day, I'm very much excited for a more traditional take on Superman and what James Gunn and Peter Safran are conjuring with this new cinematic universe. I've long moved on from the Snyderverse thing, which unfortunately I can't say the same for a certain group of people, but it is what it is.

 

[Babillygunn]

The "you smell nice" was a Whedon ADR add-on in Josstice League. In ZSJL, she says "you spoke" after he utters "this is home" because originally, Clark didn't utter a single word during the whole Metropolis fight unlike Josstice League which had the "Do you bleed?" reprise reshoot with Batfleck.

I remembered that differently. I thought that both versions had that line. But, of course that may have a lot to do with the fact that I thought that ZSJL was a slog to get through and I was likely zoning out by that point. Diana straight up murdering a bunch of guys in her first scene kind of ruined my mojo going forward.

 

[Arachnerd]

Okay? I get your point, I was just pointing out the misunderstanding.

Anyway, about this Superman movie James Gunn is currently working on. Seems promising.

 

[Sawyer]

 

[Dr.]

Okay, confession time - I have never been able to make it through ZSJL. I have tried 3 times, and each time got so bored I fell asleep. In the end, I just gave up.

Josstice League is therefore by default my preferred version. I've watched it multiple times without falling asleep 🤷‍♀️

I’m the opposite. I’ve seen ZSJL a few times. But never the Whedon cut.

In my (limited) experience, Superman often seems to get short shrift in team/ensemble stories. Perhaps because he’s so powerful, writers feel compelled to somehow level the playing field. And that typically means diminishing Supes’ standing/ability to some degree so that other characters appear more useful and relevant.

What I found interesting about ZSJL was that Superman’s status and importance as the premier superhero was never in question — even though he was largely absent from the narrative. Indeed, one might argue that his exalted status was easier to depict, easier to idealize because of absence.

 

[GreenKToo]

What gets me is his intellect is usually downplayed. His brain would be enhanced also, along with his other powers.

 

[Lily Adler]

Posting a Rugby player every day until the suit reveal Day 9:

 

[dhandler01]

I’m the opposite. I’ve seen ZSJL a few times. But never the Whedon cut.

In my (limited) experience, Superman often seems to get short shrift in team/ensemble stories. Perhaps because he’s so powerful, writers feel compelled to somehow level the playing field. And that typically means diminishing Supes’ standing/ability to some degree so that other characters appear more useful and relevant.

What I found interesting about ZSJL was that Superman’s status and importance as the premier superhero was never in question — even though he was largely absent from the narrative. Indeed, one might argue that his exalted status was easier to depict, easier to idealize because of absence.

That is what it seemed ZS was trying to do but he failed miserably. Everything ZS did always felt forced because he never let it happen organically. That is why his Lois and Clark relationship sucked, why the buildup to the conflict between Batman and Superman sucked, why the Death was stupid and why his version of Justice League made no sense. He tried to cram 6 movies worth of story (at least) into 3. IT doesn't take much to come up with a better overarching storyline...but that wasn't his style.

I watched ZSJL once...and I was super pumped for it. Even getting super high I fell asleep halfway through. Watched the second half the next day and at the end that was when I honestly turned on the entire thing. Until then I really loved MOS and enjoyed the extended cut of BvS...but ZSJL killed all of it. I honestly can't even fathom watching any of them every again...which is weird cause that isn't what I am usually like. Maybe that is why I actually liked The Flash...its a flawed film that had to be Franksteined together but it told a much better story than anything ZS tells...and it gets how to let certain things breathe and not every scene in every film needs to be SUPER BRO EDGELORD AWESOME!!!!1!11

Damnit...WE NEED NEWS JAMES!!

 

[SupermansPal]

Get to work, scoopers!

 

[WatchProtect]

The only characters I'd be upset about if they weren't in are Ma and Pa Kent and I think it's pretty likely they've been cast already.

I know people are skeptical of scoopers (as we should be) but the DCUleaks mods on Reddit got quite a few things right in the past so we could still be getting Hawksmoor and The Doctor in this film along with the Engineer. Who as a trio I'd think will be Superman's physical opposition throughout the film. With Lex Luthor being a behind the scenes type villain.

 

[Arachnerd]

I'm still waiting for the Kents casting news.

 

[agomezv3]

Gunn has been too silent about the Kents... I'm starting to consider they might not even be in the movie, which would be very controversial

 

[Lily Adler]

Gunn has been too silent about the Kents... I'm starting to consider they might not even be in the movie, which would be very controversial

 

[antsman41]

We need a 'Pa Kent didn't die' movie for once.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

I’m the opposite. I’ve seen ZSJL a few times. But never the Whedon cut.

In my (limited) experience, Superman often seems to get short shrift in team/ensemble stories. Perhaps because he’s so powerful, writers feel compelled to somehow level the playing field. And that typically means diminishing Supes’ standing/ability to some degree so that other characters appear more useful and relevant.

What I found interesting about ZSJL was that Superman’s status and importance as the premier superhero was never in question — even though he was largely absent from the narrative. Indeed, one might argue that his exalted status was easier to depict, easier to idealize because of absence.

Why haven't you given the Whedon cut a go? My memory is shaky on this as its been years, but I remember at the time discovering that a lot of my favourite scenes in the film weren't in ZSJL... so id say its worth a watch!

I might have to go back and remind myself what they were though 😅

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I think it's telling that there are several comments asking for confirmation of the Kents, but none asking about Jor-El.

Think people might be bored of holodaddy.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I wouldn't miss the Kent's in the movie, honestly. If the movie has an established Superman in a lived in DC world, I am fine with them not being in the movie.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

I'll be extremely dissapointed if they aren't in any capacity.

Even if they are both dead, to not include even one memory of them, would feel like cutting a huge part of Clark Kent as a character out of the story.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I dont think we need flashbacks or anything. Clark can mention them in a scene and have it achieve the same effect if that's something they want to do. Look at The Batman. We never get flashbacks of the Waynes. Not when Bruce talks to Falcone or childhood memories. Everything we know about then that's relevant for us to know is conveyed by other people and how they react when they mention them. Frankly, I wish movies did this more. Cause really what's important to us, the audience, is how the Kent family effected Clark as a person, and that's something we can gather by seeing Clark react to talking about them and such.

 

[Lily Adler]

We need a 'Pa Kent didn't die' movie for once.

Let's kill Ma.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

I dont think we need flashbacks or anything. Clark can mention them in a scene and have it achieve the same effect if that's something they want to do. Look at The Batman. We never get flashbacks of the Waynes. Not when Bruce talks to Falcone or childhood memories. Everything we know about then that's relevant for us to know is conveyed by other people and how they react when they mention them. Frankly, I wish movies did this more. Cause really what's important to us, the audience, is how the Kent family effected Clark as a person, and that's something we can gather by seeing Clark react to talking about them and such.

I mean, we do see video of Thomas Wayne in the film though dont we? Or am I remembering that wrong?

I think it's different with the Kents though because its hard to really create a sense of the Smallville upbringing, the small town morals, the simple aporeciation for and respect for life that they instill, by including a few lines of description.

I know the Wayne's aren't devoid of personality/actual influence on Bruce, but he lost them so young that their death was sort of more influential on his development than their lives/who they were. In fact, as happened in The Batman, its often revealed he didn't really know them well at all.

 

[DCDAVE]

The Kents will be in the movie. They are essential to the Clark character. You will hear about their casting when they start filming in Ohio.