Most of the stuff you enjoy with the Xbox 360 can be directly attributed to Allard.
So yeah, I disagree big time.
Here's a sample of Peter Moore's genius:
[RE: EA] Our games have become more and more complicated and complex, and we often get dogged for one of the biggest misconceptions in the entire industry - a lack of innovation year in and year out on annually iterated titles. I bristle at time when I hear this, because nothing could be further from the truth.
Pretty much the same thing he did at Xbox, crank out sequel after sequel.
Or how about this quote?
Nobody is concerned anymore about backwards compatibility. We under promised and over delivered on that. It’s a very complicated thing… very complex work. I’m just stunned that we have hundreds of games that are backwards compatible. More are coming, but at some point, you just go, there’s enough, let’s move on, or people aren’t as worried about a game being backwards compatible – and I like to think we’ve upheld our end of the bargain in making at least two or maybe three hundred games backwards compatible.
And it's odd that he quit 2 weeks after Xbox dropped 1 billion dollars to address the RROD stuff.
So, no, I don't think Moore was all that good for Xbox. He wasn't horrible, but nowhere nearly deserving of the praise you give him, IMO.
When i said Moore and Allard are not comparable, i wasn´t saying who is the best man, but Allard is a hardware guy, Moore isn´t, so...it´s not really comparable.
About Moore´s first quote, you do know that Moore worked on the Xbox, right, and it had a lot more games that just sequels.
On the 360, he was only there for 2 years and 2 months (Nov and Dez 2005, 2006 and 2007 up until September), and in that time MS released Kameo, Perfect Dark Zero, Viva Pinata, Crackdown, Blue Dragon, Mass Effect, Bioshock....do you want more?
What about Alan Wake and Too Human, sure the games were released after 2007, but both games were being worked on prior to that, so....
What about the acquisition of Rare, Lionhead, Bungie (guess what, they left MS after Moore left as well), Turn 10 (internal studio), deal with Bioware (KOTOR, Jade Empire, Mas Effect), Epic (Gears of War), Assassins Creed going from PS3 exclusive to multiplatform...
He did much more in 2 years and some months than Mattrick and the rest in 3.
At his time, yes, the Xbox was a force to be reckoned with when it comes to games.
And the last one, the very last, one that everyone loves....he made XBL.
Before Microsoft, he was President of Sega America, and as you might know, the Dreamcast was the first console to have online....he took it to Microsoft and improved on it....
Do i really need to go on?
About the second of Moore´s quotes,...
You say MS quit the all backwards compatibility 2 weeks after Xbox dropped 1 billion dollars to address the RROD, well, maybe you answered your own question, maybe it was because they dropped 1 billion dollars.
I did some digging because i couldn´t remember the year, and just found out that the all backwards compatibility begun to end after 2007, after Peter Moore left....
http://gizmodo.com/242775/xbox-360-backward-compatibility-development-ramping-down-after-07
Could have fooled me.
If anything they went further with the web browser, adding Home, their own video marketplace, PSN+, video magazine, Linux, Hulu, etc.
Please don't try to spin things from what the reality is.
If it was purely about the games with Sony, you'd have been able to play The Last Guardian and GT5 years ago.
It launched in 2006, and 4 years later you barely get GT5. LBP2 kept getting pushed back. TLG. Etc. See a pattern? Might as well call it the Delaystation.
I love my PS3, but again, let's be realistic here.
When i said i was defeding the PS3, i meant it.
If i was so "in love" with the console, i should have had bougth one by now..i haven´t, i still have a 360, and i don´t plan to get rid of it.
Why?
Because i care for games, not hardware companies.
Do you want me to "trash" Sony?
All Sony did this gen was to copy the next guy, from the sixaxis (Wiimote), PSN (XBL), PSN Games (XBLA), Trophies (Achivements)....
And, once again you answered yourself, when i said they had everything the 360 has when it comes to media, was i wrong?
They have movies, music, netflix...
Last but not least, you are really counter argumenting me for saying the PS3 is about games with delays? Really?
What does delays have to do with being or not a gaming console at heart?
There are other games you know?
For every GT5 there is a Motorstorm, for every LBP2 there is an Uncharted or INfamous (not the same thing, but there isn´t other games like LBP).
The 500 million sunk into Kinect says otherwise.
Just because they're no longer buying exclusives (again, exclusives are a non-issue this generation when you have games like Black Ops outselling all of them.
They take plenty of chances. Look at how many people were bashing Kinect before it launched. Look at the success it's brought them.
I addressed Kinect later in my post, i said Kinect showed they can still be innovative if they want to. I hope that Kinect is the return of MS of old.
Exclusives are always...ALWAYS...important, just like 1st party studios.
The importance of the exclusives is that it gives a name to the console (Halo is a Xbox game, Uncharted is only found on the PS3, Mario home is on Nintendo...), just like 1st parties studios are assets (Molyneux expertise is only found on the 360, David Jaffe´s only makes games for the Playstation, Myamoto know-how is Nintendo´s strenght, and so on..and also Ips)
Don´t you know that? Neither does Microsoft?
About the chances and Kinect selling...what does one have to do with the other?
Since when innovation equals sucess?
Kinect is selling, that´s a given, don´t really understand why, but it is.
Kinect has an amazing potential, imo, it´s the best of the motion controllers, i´ve been saying this since when it was called Project Natal, but, at this point, it sucks, the modders are making a much better job with then MS itself.
This discounts the entire XBLA section, which is insulting.
Again, for YOU, that's what you see, the numbers show otherwise.
Clearly you haven´t read most of my posts in this thread.
If i love one thing about the 360 is the XBLA, i adore it, is the best thing the console has.
But we are talking about retail games, so, XBLA doesn´t appply...
Again, numbers and the fact that MS is a stale company and do the same game over and over again have nothing to do with each other.
But, as you are talking about numbers, as you know, there are 3 big markets when it comes to video games, and the 360 is only ahead in one, the US.
Again, exclusives only matter to fanboys, IMO.
If they did, Sony would be in 1st place and their titles would be selling like hotcakes. They're not.
I really don't get the whole exclusive obsession. If anything Kinect gives them a whole bunch of exclusives. Again, it's a matter of perception. You don't like Kinect or the games Xbox is making, so from your POV Xbox is dying, etc. For others, it's a great time to own an Xbox, or if you're lucky all three consoles.
About Sony not being ahead of MS.
As you know, MS came out in 2005 and the PS3 in 2006, 1 years later.
Like i said at the begining of this post, when Peter Moore was there, the 360 was actually a an amazing console (they still can return to be so), everyone loved it....except Japan, but it was a sucess in Europe as well as in the US.
Then Moore left, the 360 begun to fall in quality and the numbers in Europe begin to shrink (still selling more than the PS3, but less).
Then, in 2009, the PS3 announced the PS3 Slim and everyone started to buy it like hotcakes.
The lost of quality from the 360, the PS3 Slim and the lack of any interest from MS made the 360 never got ahead of the PS3 ever again.
So, if things don´t pick up, if MS doesn´t show any interest in getting back to the "fight for Europe", they might lose this gen in the end as the PS3 is already ahead of the 360 there.
They might end second place still as the diference between the 360 and PS3 in the US is bigger than in Europe, but still, it´s two markets for Sony (Euro and Japan) and only the US to Microsoft.
As for exclusive only matter to fanboys...that´s not true.
Exclusives matter a great deal.
I adore exclusives, but, like i said a couple of times, the least thing that interests me is the bragging rights, now that´s what fanboys care about, to have one game and the other guy don´t.
I care for exclusives because they give a reason to buy a console.
I´ll give you an example:
CoD, Assassins Creed, Bioshock, GTA, Red Dead Redemption; those 5 games are multiplatform....now, Uncharted, INfamous, LBP, Motorstorm, God of War; those 5 games are exclusive to the PS3.
Now, as an example, take the PS3 and the 360....10 of those games go to the PS3, 5 go to the 360...which console would you buy?
See...exclusives are important in the end, no one buys a console for the love of the company....at least i hope not.