DC ELSEWORLDS: Reimagining Keaton Sequels & DC Films that Never Were

[Peyton Westlake]

So, Dolph is your choice for an 80s actor when it comes to Cap?
You didn't answer the question I addressed to you in the Marvel forum, but now I know

I am sorry, Airwings. I thought I addressed that in a post to you.
I guess I got overwhelmed with trying to answer several posts and thought I did.
Any way...I thought, if we could reverse time...Dolph, (who was underrated & under used) would have been perfect for Aquaman or Cap in the 80s.
Instead of wasting our time with Masters of the universe. (even though that movie is a guilty pleasure of mine)

 

[Airwings]

I am sorry, Airwings. I thought I addressed that in a post to you.
I guess I got overwhelmed with trying to answer several posts and thought I did.
Any way...I thought, if we could reverse time...Dolph, (who was underrated & under used) would have been perfect for Aquaman or Cap in the 80s.
Instead of wasting our time with Masters of the universe. (even though that movie is a guilty pleasure of mine)

It's okay. Totally. Don't be sad

Sorry to be harsh on your opinion though. I don't fully agree with what you say. Dolph would only be a good Cap or Aqua look-wise, not acting-wise.

 

[Frodo]

THE AMAZON (1992)
Director: Joe Johnston

Wonder Woman /Diana Prince : Brooke Shields

Veronica Cale : Heather Locklear

Dr. Poison : Isabella Rossellini

BARONESS PAULA VON GUNTHER : Sharon Stone

Barbara Minerva : Julia Roberts

 

[Frodo]

WONDER WOMAN : INVASION OF THEMYSCIRA (1994)

Wonder Woman/ Diana Prince : Brooke Shields

Cheetah/ Barbara Minerva : Julia Roberts

Giganta : Geena Davis

Dr. Psycho : Warwick Davis

Baroness Paula Von Gunther : Sharon Stone

Dr. Poison : Isabella Rossellini

Veronica Cale : Heather Lockclear

Artemis : Bridget Nelson

Circe : Sigourney Weaver

Ares : Ed Harris

Steve Trevor : Jerry O'Connell

Hippolyta : Lindsey Wagner

 

[Airwings]

Frodo (and others): This is somewhat related to our creating of alternate films. Can the 1989's Batman thing be done again, giving new visuals to an existing hero?
That doesn't only mean gothic, but any style that makes the final product stick out from all other contemporary films of its time.
It hasn't got much to do with how the story is written, only with what we see onscreen: the designs, the sets, the mood, the look of streets and buildings.

Let's say we come up with another one of our alternate films. We pick the hero, then director and cast. It doesn't need to stop there.
Why not find a visual style that could work for the particular hero?
It can be art deco, but much more pointed out than in Superman. There's also greco roman, anglo saxon, baroque and victorian/steampunk. To name a few.
If you want something a bit more modern (but less inspiring), there's something called functionalism. And maybe you've heard about brutalism too?
A DC superhero in a city that's overly brutalist and not much more, could that work?
Perhaps it's best to mix an older style with present day?

No, it's not set in the past. As in Burtonverse, the chosen style works in unity with (and overlaps) our own time (now it's 2020s). There's still modern technology, but everything is designed different than in the real world.
Not realistic at all, but this is an alternate fantasy world.

 

[Peyton Westlake]

It's okay. Totally. Don't be sad

Sorry to be harsh on your opinion though. I don't fully agree with what you say. Dolph would only be a good Cap or Aqua look-wise, not acting-wise.

I dont think he is as bad as most think.
I'm not saying he is going to win an academy award for his acting, but, do we really go to see a Marvel or DC movie because we want that kind of performance?
Does anyone really say if Paul rudd doesnt win an award for any Antman performance it ruins my liking for the MCU?
I don't.
Not for any movie really.
If it happens in hindsight, then bravo.
But I think he (Dolph) can be cast as Cap ,Aquaman or Thor & do a decent job.

 

[Frodo]

Frodo (and others): This is somewhat related to our creating of alternate films. Can the 1989's Batman thing be done again, giving new visuals to an existing hero?
That doesn't only mean gothic, but any style that makes the final product stick out from all other contemporary films of its time.
It hasn't got much to do with how the story is written, only with what we see onscreen: the designs, the sets, the mood, the look of streets and buildings.

Let's say we come up with another one of our alternate films. We pick the hero, then director and cast. It doesn't need to stop there.
Why not find a visual style that could work for the particular hero?
It can be art deco, but much more pointed out than in Superman. There's also greco roman, anglo saxon, baroque and victorian/steampunk. To name a few.
If you want something a bit more modern (but less inspiring), there's something called functionalism. And maybe you've heard about brutalism too?
A DC superhero in a city that's overly brutalist and not much more, could that work?
Perhaps it's best to mix an older style with present day?

No, it's not set in the past. As in Burtonverse, the chosen style works in unity with (and overlaps) our own time (now it's 2020s). There's still modern technology, but everything is designed different than in the real world.
Not realistic at all, but this is an alternate fantasy world.

Hmmm.

I'll have to noodle on that for a while in terms of particular looks.

I'll probably use one of my pre-existing alternate project, casts and director , and post images of what that the film or films, would or could have looked like.

There's alot of concept art, paintings , drawings, etc to draw from , pardon the pun, online.

 

[Airwings]

Hmmm.

I'll have to noodle on that for a while in terms of particular looks.

I'll probably use one of my pre-existing alternate project, casts and director , and post images of what that the film or films, would or could have looked like.

There's alot of concept art, paintings , drawings, etc to draw from , pardon the pun, online.

Maybe we can use surrealism?
It closes in on avant garde inspiration as well

 

[Frodo]

AQUAMAN 1950s cast and production art

AQUAMAN :THE KING OF ATLANTIS (1957)

Aquaman/ Arthur Curry : Tab Hunter

Mera : Janet Leigh

Atlanna : Rita Hayworth

Thomas Curry : Van Williams

Ocean Master : Sean Connery

Black Manta : Sidney Poitier

Vulko : John Williams

BLACK MANTA'S HEADQUARTERS/ COMPOUND

ATLANTIS

Curry Family lighthouse and Home

Aquaman Battle suit

Regular Aquaman suit

Arthur's Civilian peacoat sans the loafers

Mera's civilian clothing style

Black Manta suit 1

Black Manta suit 2

Mera's costume and Look

 

[Frodo]

BATMAN SOUL OF THE DRAGON (1972)
Director : Robert Clouse

Batman/ Bruce Wayne : Clint Eastwood

Richard Dragon : Bruce Lee

Bronze Tiger : Bernie Casey

Lady Shiva : Francie Nuyen

O- Sensei : Keye Luke

King Snake : Chuck Norris

Kobra/ Jeffrey Burr : Frank Langella

Rip Jagger : James Daugton

Jade : Mie Hama

Schlangen Faust : Dennis Cole

Silver St . Cloud : Farah Fawcett

Snake minions design

Nanda Parbat

Chinatown

Gotham City

Cobra's Compound

Bruce Wayne's Cadillac

 

[Frodo]

THE NEW ADVENTURES OF SUPERMAN (1963)
Director : Billy Wilder

Superman/ Clark Kent : John Gavin

Lois Lane : Mary Tyler Moore

Lex Luthor : Telly Savalas

Brainiac : Joseph Wiseman

Perry White : Spencer Tracy

Jimmy Olsen : Tony Dow

Jor El and Lara : Cary Grant and Audrey Hepburn

Johnathan Kent: John Wayne

Martha Kent : Barbara Stanwyck

Lana Lang : Shirley Maclaine

Mercy Graves : Anne Francis

Zod : Robert Shaw

Faora : Joan Collins

Non : Richard Kiel

Toyman/ Winslow Slott : Jerry Lewis

Kryptonian city

Metropolis rush hour

Brainiac Skull Ship

The Daily Planet

Lexcorp

The Kent Homestead

 

[Airwings]

AQUAMAN 1950s cast and production art

BLACK MANTA'S HEADQUARTERS/ COMPOUND

ATLANTIS

Curry Family lighthouse and Home

Aquaman Battle suit

Regular Aquaman suit

Arthur's Civilian peacoat sans the loafers

Mera's civilian clothing style

Black Manta suit 1

Black Manta suit 2

Mera's costume and Look

Amazing pics.
I want Atlantis to be a real place more than ever before, now.

Two different Manta suits. The first one more slim and pretty cool.
The second one screams "evil badass".

Did you like my surreal pics, by the way?

 

[Airwings]

Bruce Wayne's Cadillac

Coool!!!
The 70s were pretty vulgar too. It's not just a thing exclusive for the 80s.

That muscle car could be adjusted to be his Batmobile as well.

 

[Frodo]

Amazing pics.
I want Atlantis to be a real place more than ever before, now.

Two different Manta suits. The first one more slim and pretty cool.
The second one screams "evil badass".

Did you like my surreal pics, by the way?

Unfortunately, one of the pics didn't show up, but the other ones came out clearly. I'm particularly fond of the first one since Time Bandits was my favorite film as a child, so I remember that moment..

The other pics are pretty cool and also look like they're from films, but I can't tell which ones.

 

[Airwings]

Unfortunately, one of the pics didn't show up, but the other ones came out clearly. I'm particularly fond of the first one since Time Bandits was my favorite film as a child, so I remember that moment..

The other pics are pretty cool and also look like they're from films, but I can't tell which ones.

Strange. I can se all pics clearly.

They're all from different Terry Gilliam films. The master of surrealism!

I have one DC character in mind for him to handle.
Do you think he could do as good as Burton did with a gothic Batman?

 

[Airwings]

Kryptonian city

Metropolis rush hour

Brainiac Skull Ship

The Daily Planet

I like these pics particulary.. They are simply amazing. They even overshadow the cast you have.
A lot of art deco in Daily Planet there.

The "rush hour" pic, I've seen it before. It's a kind of "futuristic 1950s"

Krypton is at its Golden Age in the other pics. Before the planet met its doom.

Brainiac's ship is really terrifying!!!!

Good work in finding all these. You're the king of this thread!

(I didn't find a star emoji)

 

[Frodo]

Strange. I can se all pics clearly.

They're all from different Terry Gilliam films. The master of surrealism!

I have one DC character in mind for him to handle.
Do you think he could do as good as Burton did with a gothic Batman?

Oh yeah , totally. He was attached to direct Watchman for several years, if I remember correctly . So yeah, he could do a good job with several of the DC characters imo.

 

[Airwings]

Oh yeah , totally. He was attached to direct Watchman for several years, if I remember correctly . So yeah, he could do a good job with several of the DC characters imo.

That's true. I remember him mention that when I saw him being interviewed, and I was sitting in the room. Just wanted to brag, lol

I wonder how his version would have been. Can't imagine that property being turned into something surreal.
But there's more to Gilliam than bright settings and a fairy tale feel. Time Bandits didn't go all the way to the extreme visuals he would have later on.

And he's also explored dystopic futures as well. Here's two examples that aren't surreal in that sense.
Very Gilliam esque and weird, but not fairy tale surreal. This could work the best for a DC character.

12 Monkeys

Zero Theorem

 

[Frodo]

WONDER WOMAN : INVASION OF THEMYSCIRA (1994)

Wonder Woman/ Diana Prince : Brooke Shields

Cheetah/ Barbara Minerva : Julia Roberts

Giganta : Geena Davis

Dr. Psycho : Warwick Davis

Baroness Paula Von Gunther : Sharon Stone

Dr. Poison : Isabella Rossellini

Veronica Cale : Heather Lockclear

Artemis : Bridget Nelson

Circe : Sigourney Weaver

Ares : Ed Harris

Steve Trevor : Jerry O'Connell

Hippolyta : Lindsey Wagner

Themyscira

Cale Industries Building

Ares land , air, and sea weaponry during the invasion of Themyscira

Ares in God form

Baroness Gunther costume, except with blonde hair color

Circe costume in the vein of Brave Veronica Cale's Business attire

Ares in Naval Uniform in human form

Cheetah with matching top and pants, more humanoid form than in WW1984

 

[Airwings]

Themyscira

Cale Industries Building

Ares land , air, and sea weaponry during the invasion of Themyscira

Ares in God form

Baroness Gunther costume, except with blonde hair color

Circe costume in the vein of Brave Veronica Cale's Business attire

Ares in Naval Uniform in human form

Cheetah with matching top and pants, more humanoid form than in WW1984

Great pics.

Judging the battle vehicles for Ares and those designs, it seems like he's more of an alien than a god. Kinda like Zod in MOS

I found a pic from Gilliam's Brazil.
It's not Hawkman I have in mind though lol (but that could also work)

 

[Frodo]

THE FLASH: 1890 (1990)
Director : Robert Zemeckis
Music : James Horner

The Flash/ Barnabas "Barry" Allen : Christian Slater

Joseph West : Kurt Russell

Iris West :Winona Ryder

Edward Thawne : Cary Elwes

Nora Allen : Mary Steenburgen

H.G. Wells : Ben Kingsley

Reverse Flash/ Eobard Thawne from 22nd Century : Kiefer Sutherland

Henry Allen : Kevin Costner

Interior of Star Labs

Thawne's Time Machine

Central City late 19th Century

Central City 22nd Century

Star Labs

Flash Suit 2 , Barry's final suit

Flash Suit 1, Barry's test suit

HG Wells fashion

Barry Allen Work three piece and Dinner tux

Eobard Thawne Aristocratic guise

Reverse Flash Suit

The cast isn't necessarily the one I would use for every role , but I used these actors more as models to give an idea of how their characters would potentially look in a Victorian version of the Flash.

 

[Airwings]

THE FLASH: 1890 (1990)
Director : Robert Zemeckis
Music : James Horner

The Flash/ Barnabas "Barry" Allen : Christian Slater

Joseph West : Kurt Russell

Iris West :Winona Ryder

Edward Thawne : Cary Elwes

Nora Allen : Mary Steenburgen

H.G. Wells : Ben Kingsley

Reverse Flash/ Eobard Thawne from 22nd Century : Kiefer Sutherland

Henry Allen : Kevin Costner

Interior of Star Labs

Thawne's Time Machine

Central City late 19th Century

Central City 22nd Century

Star Labs

Flash Suit 2 , Barry's final suit

Flash Suit 1, Barry's test suit

HG Wells fashion

Barry Allen Work three piece and Dinner tux

Eobard Thawne Aristocratic guise

Reverse Flash Suit

The cast isn't necessarily the one I would use for every role , but I used these actors more as models to give an idea of how their characters would potentially look in a Victorian version of the Flash.

I'm stunned. This is so overwhelming!
You've created a victorian The Flash.
My mind cannot fully grasp what you've acchieved.

The set pics of the city are so dark, especially the one from modern day. This is really a dystopia.
And there's beauty in that too.

Time is closing in on my Terry Gilliam project. I've posted several pics from a lot of his films, both surreal ones and dystopian ones. You can go back and look at all of those.

Who's the hero then?
There's one painting by Salvador Dali that's called The Enigma of Wilhelm Tell.
I can't put the whole view of it up here. It's too obscene. But I found an edited version.

 

[Frodo]

I'm stunned. This is so overwhelming!
You've created a victorian The Flash.
My mind cannot fully grasp what you've acchieved.

The set pics of the city are so dark, especially the one from modern day. This is really a dystopia.
And there's beauty in that too.

Time is closing in on my Terry Gilliam project. I've posted several pics from a lot of his films, both surreal ones and dystopian ones. You can go back and look at all of those.

Who's the hero then?
There's one painting by Salvador Dali that's called The Enigma of Wilhelm Tell.
I can't put the whole view of it up here. It's too obscene. But I found an edited version.

Thanks for the feedback.

I thought about the idea of Flash taking place in a steampunk ,stylized ,1890s ,star city, and that fit well with HG wells , Jules Verne , etc.

As it turned out, there actually is a Victorian version of the Flash and there's alot of Victorian Flash concept art, though I don't know if it's Barry Allen or not . So, I got lucky.

As for the Dali painting, The Hero looks an awful lot like a certain archer from Star City. Is it Green Arrow?

 

[Frodo]

BATMAN: MASK OF THE PHATASM (1962)
Director : Alfred Hitchcock

Batman/Bruce Wayne : Clint Eastwood

Phantasm/ Andrea Beaumont : Angie Dickenson

The Joker : Jack Nicholson

Alfred Pennyworth : David Niven

James Gordon : William Holden

Arthur Reeves : Steve Franken

Carl Beaumont : Caeser Romero

Batman suit

Phantasm

Joker

Gotham

City of the future complex visited by Bruce and Andrea

Batcave interior

Wayne Manor

 

[Airwings]

Thanks for the feedback.

I thought about the idea of Flash taking place in a steampunk ,stylized ,1890s ,star city, and that fit well with HG wells , Jules Verne , etc.

As it turned out, there actually is a Victorian version of the Flash and there's alot of Victorian Flash concept art, though I don't know if it's Barry Allen or not . So, I got lucky.

As for the Dali painting, The Hero looks an awful lot like a certain archer from Star City. Is it Green Arrow?

This is fun with all the pics. Now you've posted even more of them for a Batman film
Hope you don't get tired of looking for all this amazing stuff.

Yes, my Gilliam vision is with Green Arrow. Another street hero gets a visual make over, just like Batman and Burton
It comes in my next post.