Comics Marry Jane vs The Black-Cat The Good The Bad & The Poll

[ragingdemon155]

Black Cat is one of my favorite characters in comics. I've always loved that chemistry that her and Peter share. The sexual tension between them that comes up in almost every one of there team ups. It's always a fun read. Glad to see her getting a push right now by Marvel (Claws, HFH, and appearances in SSM).

I'm always a Peter/MJ supporter though. I don't want to see them seperate at all because I've always felt that when written properly Peter and MJ are the best couple in all of comics.

 

[MyPokerShirt]

Sure men and women are free to have equally promiscuous sex lives. Doesn't mean that it's actually certain (as in fact) it's a good thing and that depends on how each person sees as such. For example take porn. You have guys and some women that would love to have sex with certain porn stars. That might be fine for them but I myself would just feel dirty doing that based on how many guys and women these people have had sex with and how easily they can sell their bodies. I have more respect for my own body. It can also just be my own moral feelings which can differ from person to person I feel. I'm not overly religious either (I don't really think one has to be married to have sex mind you) but I just feel that for an act such as sex, which is an extremely personal event and you leave yourself extremely and completely vulnerable that it should be done with more care and more feeling behind it instead of just seeking personal pleasure. I wouldn't want to share that experience with just anyone.

I would never want to be treated as being a number or be seen if only by myself as one of the many guys a woman has slept with. I'm sorry if that makes me think I'm stuck in some different era. Just how I think about the situation.

just seemed like you were judging her. but whatever, not getting uppety about it or anything if thats what you thought i meant. anyway its a comic book. like the hulk hasnt killed any innocents the only people we KNOW black cat has slept with are those that have been clearly shown: puma, spider-man, luke cage (?? i think). that's only 3 there so far. and i'm talking bedroom scenes or somebody saying it, here. i really don't think she's that promiscuous for somebody single in her late 20s. even a few more really isn't that bad. she's a flirt, she's sexual, but i dont think its ever been written pete is turned off of her by that. ever. Your personal feelings, no offense, shouldn't be projected as pete's. seems like him and her have always had a pretty strong relationship, despite the old on/off status and the love/hate way they operate, and i don't think her sexuality has bothered him and so it shouldnt, IMO, be taken into consideration when deciding "the" girl. but if you have an issue that clearly states otherwise i will admit i'm wrong happily

(anyway, i voted MJ )

 

[SpideyInATree]

Yet does Peter really strike you as the type to be engaged in a long-term relationship that consists of nothing more than casual sex?

I mean, every man needs to let some "agression" out. Why not on a hot chick who dresses up in a cat costume? There is nothing wrong with casual sex, and Peter knows that.

 

[Corporal]

Theres something wrong with it when your married, especially to a hot model

 

[Cyclops]

I mean, every man needs to let some "agression" out. Why not on a hot chick who dresses up in a cat costume? There is nothing wrong with casual sex, and Peter knows that.

Right, which is why he never slept with Gwen.

 

[Blackredens]

d I hate to break this to you Mary Jane was sleeping

Right, which is why he never slept with Gwen.

Um...yeah he did and I hate to break this to you but Mary Jane was sleeping with Harry Osborn.

Just Kidding I didn’t hate telling you that at all

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Mary Jane get's my vote hands down. She & Peter were Destined to be together .

same here.

 

[Gamma Burst]

I love Blach Cat,but Peter & MJ are just perfect together

 

[spiderbob]

d I hate to break this to you Mary Jane was sleeping

Um...yeah he did and I hate to break this to you but Mary Jane was sleeping with Harry Osborn.

Just Kidding I didn’t hate telling you that at all

No, Peter and Gwen never slept together, as was revealed to us in... *shudders* Sins Past.

 

[Doc Destruction]

Whoever answered Gwen Stacy should be punched. Hard.

 

[SpideyInATree]

Whoever answered Gwen Stacy should be punched. Hard.

By that logic you're saying that the thread maker should be punched. Hard. Because he/she made the choice possible.

 

[Doc Destruction]

I would agree with that assessment.

 

[SpideyInATree]

I would agree with that assessment.

Than you would have to exempt the people who voted because the choice was available to them.

 

[stillanerd]

Had something to say about the Black Cat in a thread I did once titled "My Ten Changes to Spider-Man's History." (This was BEFORE the unmasking BTW) My opinions about her haven't changed yet:

No matter how many ways you slice it, the Black Cat is a shallow, two-dimensional rip-off of the Catwoman. Both started out a professional thieves; both have cat-based motifs and identities; both are very skilled in the martial arts and gymnastics; both use the art of seduction to distract their opponents or manipulate allies and enemies alike; both are amoral and motivated by self-interests; and both were in love with the hero but not with his civilian identity. Heck, their first names, Felicia and Selina, even rhyme (okay, that’s being picky). Sure there were some differences between them about their backgrounds, and at one time the Black Cat had “bad luck powers.” However, I often wonder whether or not giving her powers, having her give up her life of crime, or making her act like such an incompetent airhead was because the writers wanted to make her less of a copy-cat, if you pardon the pun....

Personally, I think that the only reasons for her popularity are that she is a lot like Catwoman and that it was pretty clear that Peter was having sex with her; and since Peter was someone the readers were supposed to identify with, then they too could feel like they were having sex with her as well. (Heck, there was even one point in which Mantlo wanted Felicia to be pregnant with Peter’s illegitimate child, which was fortunately was overruled by then EIC Jim Shooter.) Not that Peter becoming involved with someone who was clearly wrong for him on so many levels is a bad thing in terms of drama. The problem was that she was too much like the Catwoman and all the “additions” to her character to make seem less so made her shallow. Also, because the writers kept insisting on having Peter and Felicia bump uglies, it got in the way of Peter and MJ ever rekindling their romance properly before he asked her to marry her for the second time. The most egregious example of this was in ASM #289, in which after Peter has a one-night stand with Felicia, and MJ walks in the next morning, he realizes he still loves MJ and finally they admit their true feelings to one another. Then the next issue Peter pops the question? Yeah right.

And here's something else: the most common complaint about Peter being married to Mary Jane is that it supposively diminishes his role as an "everyman" because not everyone can relate to being married to a supermodel/actress, right? Well I don't know about you, but I don't think there are many people out there who can relate to dating a former professional theif turned private eye/bounty hunter/vigilante who likes to dress in a skin tight leather cat costume. Well, maybe there are quite a few people who can relate to that last part, but it usually stays within the privacy of their bedrooms.

 

[Doc Destruction]

Than you would have to exempt the people who voted because the choice was available to them.

Nope, anyone dumb enough to vote for her gets punched.

 

[Cyclops]

d I hate to break this to you Mary Jane was sleeping

Um...yeah he did and I hate to break this to you but Mary Jane was sleeping with Harry Osborn.

Just Kidding I didn’t hate telling you that at all

What? What does that have to do with me saying "Peter never slept with Gwen"?

"Peter never slept with Gwen."

"Yes-huh, Mary Jane slep with Harry Osborn! She so totally did! Ooooh!"

Am I the only one who has no idea how to follow the so-called logic there?

 

[Effect]

Had something to say about the Black Cat in a thread I did once titled "My Ten Changes to Spider-Man's History." (This was BEFORE the unmasking BTW) My opinions about her haven't changed yet:



And here's something else: the most common complaint about Peter being married to Mary Jane is that it supposively diminishes his role as an "everyman" because not everyone can relate to being married to a supermodel/actress, right? Well I don't know about you, but I don't think there are many people out there who can relate to dating a former professional theif turned private eye/bounty hunter/vigilante who likes to dress in a skin tight leather cat costume. Well, maybe there are quite a few people who can relate to that last part, but it usually stays within the privacy of their bedrooms.

Personally I'm one of those people that feel Peter being married to a sueprmodel/actress doesn't help with being able to relate to Peter at all. In terms of Blackcat, it's the very same thing I feel. That part just rarely get brought up cause any type of talk between Peter and Mj from what I"ve seen when that topic is about being able to relate to the characters BC isn't mentioned to much. In the end the same thing applies to her though, even more so cause at least MJ is a bit more grounded even with the whole supermodel/actress thing but not by much. Both make it hard to relate to Peter when it comes to his personal life and from what I've read and seen it's been like that for a LONG time. For all of Joe Q's talk about whating to "fix" Spider-man this gets ignored.

 

[spideylover89]

At least when Pete hooked up with MJ, she wasn't a supermodel. Most people seem to forget that and it really does make a difference. Plus if it's such a bad thing, just have her change careers. Send her back to school to finish that criminal psyche degree or something.

 

[the_freshdude]

Yet does Peter really strike you as the type to be engaged in a long-term relationship that consists of nothing more than casual sex?

peter is too much of a good boy to rely on casual sex, but i would see someone more like bruce wayne doing that. Think about it bruce wayne or batman banging catwoman and black cat at the same time!

 

[DACrowe]

Anyways, why are people so hung up on MJ being a model/actress. An actress in NYC is a very common thing (especially as she is regulated in the comics to off-Broadway plays and not superstardom like Dunst will have in SM3) and while the supermodel thing is annoying it was a recent addition and was retconned 5 years ago as she went back to acting.

So what is the big deal, that he married a smoking hot woman? Well, while a bit unrealistic that is how ALL women in comics are drawn, for better or worst. But it can still be written as a marriage how does that make it unrelatable now.

 

[Cyclops]

Look at the guys at the creative helm. The way they figure it, they could never get a woman like Mary Jane. Spider-Man's supposed to be an everyman. Ergo, if they can't get a Mary Jane, neither can Peter.

Flawed logic, but hey, that's Quesadian Logic for you.

 

[stillanerd]

Personally I'm one of those people that feel Peter being married to a sueprmodel/actress doesn't help with being able to relate to Peter at all. In terms of Blackcat, it's the very same thing I feel. That part just rarely get brought up cause any type of talk between Peter and Mj from what I"ve seen when that topic is about being able to relate to the characters BC isn't mentioned to much. In the end the same thing applies to her though, even more so cause at least MJ is a bit more grounded even with the whole supermodel/actress thing but not by much. Both make it hard to relate to Peter when it comes to his personal life and from what I've read and seen it's been like that for a LONG time. For all of Joe Q's talk about whating to "fix" Spider-man this gets ignored.

Exactly my point, Effect. In the first place, Mary Jane NEVER had to be a supermodel/actress whereas the Black Cat has to be a reformed thief/superheroine in order to work as a character. And yet, those who desire for Spidey to hook up with the Black Cat don't seem to realize that his being romantically involved with a woman who is a superhero rather than an ordinary woman (and yes people, modeling and acting is a relatively ordinary career path for quite a few people) emphasizes "Spider-Man" moreso than Peter Parker. It's all about Peter trying to balance those two lives, remember; when he sways too far into one area over the other, you can be sure that trouble lies ahead, not just for the character but also for the comic. Which is why it's actually a bad idea if Spidey and Black Cat became an item because it makes him more like a generic superhero rather than an "everyman" with superpowers (and unfortunately, Marvel has being moving Spidey too far into the "generic superhero" camp, especially with the unmasking).

 

[3dman27]

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isn't watson -parker just mj's STAGE NAME nowadays ?

 

[ScottishFogg]

i've always loved Mary Jane and have always respected Spider-Man for sticking with her AND remaining faithful to her. characters like Daredevil have a lot (A LOT!) of women but Peter's stuck with MJ through it all and i think that's great.

i'm also really excited to see what will happen now that Spidey's unmasked himself. if this doesn't test MJ's character and their wedding vows, i don't know what will. i really hope this isn't Quesada setting the scene for MJ's death. (unless it's a big, epic death with her standing by her man -- that i could forgive. maybe.)

i don't understand people who think MJ is a block for Spider-Man. i don't understand why Quesada thinks this makes Spidey "operate at 40%." i think it provides even more oppurtunity for growth and even more potential for storylines. the only thing i can think of that making Spidey single would provide is him being able to hook up with a bunch of girls and i don't see that being any more than a little flash in the pan. ESPECIALLY since Peter has never been able to let go of Gwen. if he lost MJ, he'd turn into Batman and nobody would ever be able to get close to him again and do we really want that?

 

[daveswb]

This poll is silly. He's married to Mary Jane. He's a super hero so he is supposed to have a higher moral code than most people, so he would never cheat on his wife with black cat, or a dead woman.

Gwen was boring, they killed her for it, and left her dead.

Black cat doesn't love peter, she only loves Spider-man. How can you have a relationship ike that? You can't have a real relationship.

Mary Jane is his wife, get over it.