1) They never had to use much or any budget at all. For those sweeping shots of NY, or times when the Metlife building is obviously in the shot they should have changed it while filming or not use those shots altogether and use different ones. There's tons of fantastic views and angles to show NY without showing that specific area.
2) Those easter eggs and posters are great and all, but it's still not there. In fact why the hell is there an easter egg featuring the tower when out in their real world, it just doesn't exist. It's lazy.
They went and started that piece of continuity, they established it as a fact that the Metlife building was taken down and replaced with Stark/Avengers tower. That's a large thing to happen in the universe, specifically cause it's the epicentre of battle in the Avengers (which, going by the posters, they wanted to advertise it was the same universe).
And if you start a continuity, across many movies and shows, you should damn well make sure they line up instead of throwing continuity out the window because "na, it'll cost too much" or "na, f**k it, no one will notice".
I understand I'm in the minority who is pissed at this, but for someone who is a massive fan and actually does care about continuity, it's a slap in the face and just comes off as lazy.
My only problem with AOS is that the show is uneven: there great episodes (the last one for example) while there can be quite few mediocre. Also - there are too many characters to have them correctly used. They removed "Most wanted" duo so it can be at least partially corrected but instead the "Secret Warriors" scheme goes in. Frankly speaking I find May annoying - now we have Daisy to be "kicking ass" character. BTW: I wonder whether May will survive the season - e.g. dying to kill Hive?
I posted this in another thread, but it's relevent.
I'm slowly getting disinfrancised to #It'sallconnected for several things.
The amount of interconnectivity is fine. Maybe a teeny bit more....
A) Avengers tower...oh boy, this is a big one. It occupys the same space as the Metlife building which is seen prevalant throughout the Netflix series. This causes a problem in connectivity and continuity. It does cost a little more to add it in, but they don't have to show that part of NY at all. Almost every scene we actually the Metlife building are in shots that are either not needed, or could have been changed slightly to avoid that small section of the skyline. Not showing that building at all would go a long way to preserving continuity, and it's completly free to do. This is the biggest error by far, and if it got fixed for Blu ray releases or at least future Netflix releases, everything else would be so, so fine...
2) So of the connections that do exist, many don't make sense. Like the end of Agents of SHIELD/Age of Ultron connection. Coulson sends the location of the scepter to Hill to give to the Avengers and she asks if Theta protocol is ready (Helicarrier). He says yes and it's time to bring in the Avengers. There's several problems here. Coulson isn't bringing in the Avengers, well I guess he is, on the war on Hydra...that's kinda true, but it sounds like he intends to literally bring them into what he's been doing personally. The Helicarrier is repaired and it seems Hill and the Avengers need it. Why? At that point they were going in to attack Strucker and Sokovia happens at least a week later, which is when it's actually needed. And they clearly didn't get it/need it for the Hydra base. AND, what the hell are Coulson and co doing between that moment and when Fury shows up needing the Helicarrier? The plot does move forward in the slightest and like I said, it's at least a week. So they've kinda just paused for no real reason. The connection of Coulson giving the Avengers the location and pretty much kickstarting the entire movie is actually ****ing awesome, but there just doesn't seem to be much thought put into it.
C) Timeline needs to be fixed. For example there's several inconsistancies between when exactly the Netflix series happen and they are all pretty self contained within one or two months but several times characters say things that just don't fit, or dates don't match etc. I can give examples, I've already typed them out somewhere else. And look at Agents of SHIELD. Because they have direct lead ins or repercussions from the movies, it means they happen at the same time. Yet the timeline for the show is that a season generally happens over the length of a year. But the show doesn't have huge time jumps or gaps, and the storylines are generally linier and compact, with several episodes/missions/plot developments taking place in maybe less than a week? For example. In season 2, Skye went through Terrigenesis up until this it's been maybe 2 weeks of storytelling. This is before the winter break. Then in March 2015 we pick up directly afterwards and things continue within a short time frame before hitting AoU, which happens in May. So does all of season 2 happen in 2015? Or are there really hidden time jumps we don't see where the team does nothing at all. As well as that, there's no christmas...if AoS seasons are set at the final quarter of the year and go directly into the second quarter, why is there no mention of christmas? I'm not asking for holiday specials, but it's a huge holiday and time to be with family etc, so do they just work through it because they are agents or do they go and spend christmas with family?
D) More easter eggs or references that make sense. For example by the time Daredevil S2 starts, there's no mention of the more public events of Jessica Jones like Kilgrave mind controlling people and getting them to kill or kill themselves and the chaos he causes. This happens within Hell's Kitchen not far away from Daredevil and co, you'd think that'd get a passing mention, or a news article SOMEWHERE. As well as that, there's surprisingly been no mention or background easter egg of other major events beyond the Battle of NY. The destruction of SHIELD was a pretty big headline, and Sokovia was huge major world disaster. The "Cybertek settles" and "Harlem terror" are great, but these events are pretty big and should have been on the wall in the Newspaper office, or at the very least amongst the huge amount of newspapers we see. Are they needed? No, but really, it's the little things.
5) Crossovers between Netflix and Agents of SHIELD? I'd love, but can take or leave. SHIELD at least should have a mention of things happening in NY, especially about Kilgrave. Kilgrave was a massive thing in the news and while for most of the series Kilgrave was a mystery to the public, the rumours and amount of people claiming to have been mind controlled would have caught SHIELDs attention and at least looked into it. Daredevil himself? Not so much. Jessica herself? Maybe...but Kilgrave would have been something they'd want to investigate. All the other connections between the two shows, like cybertek, creel, dogs of hell are awesome and done perfectly.
Between movies and shows, the only connections that should be there (so far) are in Civil War, with even just one line about "people with powers popping up everyday" or "vilgantes taking the law into their own hands" should be mentioned. Even if the Accords are just focused on the Avengers, they'd want to clamp down on powered people ASAP, it would be the next logical step. And that prison in the trailers can't just be for the Avengers.
6) The news of someone being in Luke Cage and CW. Okay, there have been people playing different characters within the same roles. But you'd think an actress this recognisable (personally I haven't a clue who she is, but everyone else is saying it) would turn heads. I mean she filmed her role for CW first. Then the guys at Luke Cage cast her...did she not mention CW? Did the writers/creators etc not think to contact MS and see if they could make it the same character or maybe a few rewrites, or even make (potential civil war spoiler)
A line about how her son was killed in Sokovia. Maybe that's why she becomes more ruthless and corrupt?
. It's nothing too hard, I mean I seriously doubt it's that hard to allude to or write in one line like that...did they not get in touch with Marvel or did they just not really care?
VII) It could, theoretically get much worse. The biggest red flag, to me, is New York (Manhatten). As of now, we have Avengers Tower (except not, Netflix), Daredevil, Jessica J, Luke Cage, Iron Fist, Punisher (well maybe not, he travels around a lot), Spider-Man and Doctor Strange living in that city. Cloak and Dagger, as well as possible future characters like Moon Knight and the F4 (when the rights return) also live there as well. The city is crowded with heroes, and the chances of them appearing to help each other, outside of team ups, is very small. And yet, in reality, they would meet up and help each other, become friends etc. They'd be more aware of the things happening and speak about them more. See what I'm getting at? I really loved it at the start of the MCU they made Tony actually live in Malibu, Hank Pym and Scott Lang are in San Francisco, Cap lived in Washington while working with SHIELD. Obviously for most of the characters I listed, NY is a huge deal for the characters origins and personal ties, so I don't expect them to change the setting, but in regards to crossovers and internal reasons why they aren't happening, I see it getting pretty murky/ridculous.
My dream job would actually be something like continuity director (if Time Lord is well and truly out of the question) for Marvel Studios. I'd go back and forth between movies/shows and actually fit them into proper dates (without changing the actual storys), deciding where and when to use specific easter eggs/references (like "does this reference actually line up with when/where it's being referenced?" "This character should probably bring up this event to prove their point."). Best part is they wouldn't even have to pay me, I'd live in my office and my salery can go into the budget of the Netflix series to put F***IN AVENGERS TOWER IN THE SKYLINE!!!
I agree with some of what you've said but think you're being a bit harsh with lots of it. They're all in the same universe but they are their own stories and should be focussed on telling that story the best as opposed to fitting it totally in continuity. As long as it doesn't destroy it (like X-men or Flash) I'm cool with it.
I do agree AOS should be focusing on more meaningful connections to movies (and Netflix) rather than the throw away lines they use. Ideally Capt America both movies should have a huge impact on AOS as well as Age of Ultron (the finality of the battle with Hydra). Instead they keep pulling hydra out of the closet as the bad guy .... yawn.
They'd just have to learn to limit the scale away from world-ending threats. While comics may do whatever they like, and it's kinda fine because they live in a world where world ending threats happen literally every week somewhere. The Avengers can't be everywhere, so you have to spread out the world saving.
However, when the world is ending only once a year, and you have these Avengers in existence... not using them is a poor decision. And while many people are just like 'who cares if it makes no sense, it's about Coulson's team' others, like the OP, actually care that the universe, as a whole, makes sense, and not just that stories that make sense in isolation and we should enjoy the connections to other stories but never think too hard about them living in the same world.
The Avengers are not exactly a reliable team for the government to call on. General Ross made it clear in Civil War that they are often seen as a liability. That being said Agents of Shield need to bring down the treat level of there big bads to avoid situations like this.
I'm quite happy to suspend my disbelief but I can see why it would annoy some fans. Just keep the treat level domestic and I think everyone will be fine.
My understanding is that Alfre Woodard is a completely different character in Civil War and Luke Cage. Same actress, two different characters. Downey recommended her for the film. Think an actress is going to turn it down and point out "Hey I'm also working on Luke Cage?"
I'm also fine with this. Tarantino has used the same actors twice in the same movie.
Kill Bill had Gordon Liu play Johnny Mo and Pai Mei.
Django had James Remar play Butch Pooch and Ace Speck.
It's the argument I use when ever people say Marvel can't recast Djimon Hounsou in another movie because he was in Guardians.
He NEEDS to be in Black Panther. He could play brother Voodoo or another Wakandan mystic. Village elder, Wakandan politician etc.
I agree that it's annoying not to see the Avengers involved. Daredevil for example deals with smaller level threats, so it's easy to see why they're not involved there. But Hive, or Daisy taking down banks? Yeah, and Avenger would get involved there.
My biggest gripe with the show aside from that is all the focus on Daisy and the Inhumans. Bennett isn't a strong actress, IMO, and she can't carry the show. The most interesting characters to me have always been the regular agents like May, Fitz, and Simmons. I'd rather see more of them. I like the superheroes in the movies, but I'd rather watch the regular non powered agents in the show.
I always see Daisy as an audience avatar and eye candy. She really doesn't bring anything to the show in terms of likability or acting prowess. But, ultimately, she's going to be one of two main protagonists for the entire series.
Right now the Avengers are broken. Half of them are considered fugitives from the law, one's been paralyzed, another may be too wrought with guilt to even do anything, and one's probably shaken up himself.
It's understandable why they wouldn't be active on someone quaking banks and bridges right now.
Honestly, I think the real core problem with AoS, aside from generally lackluster writing, is that the show received a gut shot before the first episode aired. Its entire premise was "procedural show about SHIELD agents", and then before the show starts but after its concept had been finalized, they were told "oh, btw, SHIELD is riddled by Hydra infiltrators, and is getting blown up halfway through season 1". At that point, they probably *should* have canned the show, but couldn't for obvious reasons. So, they muddled along, not doing much with the original premise while waiting for the axe to fall.
In theory, they could have recovered from this, found a new normal, progressed from there. In practice, it feels like they just kept throwing stuff at the wall, changing up everything twice a season, waiting for something to stick. Which, since they never really confronted the "our premise was nuked" issue, nothing ever did, and nothing ever really will.
I enjoy the show and love that all of the Marvel shows/movies are connected....yet that is where my problem comes in. Most bad guys on AOS are fine to deal with the the team. But, you have Ward(Hive) who is super powerful and capable of destroying the world. Yet, none of the Avengers are involved?!?
Yes, I know its a financial thing. But, it just ruins the whole one big connected world. Don't get me started on how their is no mention of the Netflix characters (Daredevil, Jessica Jones,etc) in either AOS or the movies.
...both were hinted at in one of the Watch Dog episodes last season. Events that were happening in Hell's Kitchen is what they were comparing them too I do believe
I know I am a hair from giving up on the show. Daisy or Quake (or whatever your name is this week) is killing it for me. She can single handedly save the world, fight all the bad guys, solve every mystery, avoid her friends (who have always been able to instantly find their quarry) and remain hidden from every secret organization looking for her. While the rest of Shield can't figure out they are being robbed of their bone healing serum, nor who on Earth might possibly need it.
When I find myself cringing and rolling my eyes every time she steps onto the screen...I know my interest is gone.
World hunger....send the girl
Civil uprising...send the girl
Evil overlord taking over the world....send the girl
Kitty stuck in a tree...send the girl
Blind person about to cross a highway...send the girl
Sweet old lady trying to pay for a helpful cub scout doing a good deed but unable to tear the gum in half....send the girl
^ It's always revolved around her which really makes you wonder why it's called Agents of Shield and not Daisy Johnson: Agent of SHIELD. They fought her mom, they fought her dad, they fought her ex's, they fought her would be stalkers body snatcher it's a little much.
Following the aftermath of Civil War they had a perfect springboard for something. Maybe they're building to it but still. They could use the Accords to establish another version of the World Security Council, then transfer SHIELD over as their "intelligence" branch. Bring back Fury as director, then put Coulson and his team on the task of following the Inhuman mythology, building towards the Inhumans movie. They can even deviate from the path by finding other Kree artifacts/texts which may play towards IFW.
The rest of SHIELD becomes devoted to the intelligence of enhanced individuals, any associated terrorist leanings, organizations, and the threats they pose.
When Thanos does strike they can even use Coulson to brief the Avengers on the research conducted to date on artifacts which may or may not be useful in counteracting the Infinity Gauntlet. Throw in a line about TAHITI, and/or asking Fury about how reports of his death may have been exaggerated, or a your welcome for the Hellicarrier in AoU. Then you don't see Coulson or his team again for a while.
Following the aftermath of Civil War they had a perfect springboard for something. Maybe they're building to it but still. They could use the Accords to establish another version of the World Security Council, then transfer SHIELD over as their "intelligence" branch. Bring back Fury as director, then put Coulson and his team on the task of following the Inhuman mythology, building towards the Inhumans movie. They can even deviate from the path by finding other Kree artifacts/texts which may play towards IFW.
The rest of SHIELD becomes devoted to the intelligence of enhanced individuals, any associated terrorist leanings, organizations, and the threats they pose.
When Thanos does strike they can even use Coulson to brief the Avengers on the research conducted to date on artifacts which may or may not be useful in counteracting the Infinity Gauntlet. Throw in a line about TAHITI, and/or asking Fury about how reports of his death may have been exaggerated, or a your welcome for the Hellicarrier in AoU. Then you don't see Coulson or his team again for a while.
I know I am a hair from giving up on the show. Daisy or Quake (or whatever your name is this week) is killing it for me. She can single handedly save the world, fight all the bad guys, solve every mystery, avoid her friends (who have always been able to instantly find their quarry) and remain hidden from every secret organization looking for her. While the rest of Shield can't figure out they are being robbed of their bone healing serum, nor who on Earth might possibly need it.
When I find myself cringing and rolling my eyes every time she steps onto the screen...I know my interest is gone.
World hunger....send the girl
Civil uprising...send the girl
Evil overlord taking over the world....send the girl
Kitty stuck in a tree...send the girl
Blind person about to cross a highway...send the girl
Sweet old lady trying to pay for a helpful cub scout doing a good deed but unable to tear the gum in half....send the girl
Glad to see others are feeling the same as I am about Daisy
It's tired, they need to give some other characters their time in the spotlight
This show was sold to us fans as "Coulson's SHIELD team", but he's taken a definite backseat to Skye/Daisy every season
Plus her fake badass schtick is tough to buy
Chloe Bennet is adorable and likeable, but she's not quite a strong enough actress to carry the show
Get back to Coulson as the lead, bring in more superpowered people who aren't f***ing inhumans, throw a bunch of cash at RDJ or Evans to show up for a pair of episodes, and maybe they can turn this ship around
Glad to see others are feeling the same as I am about Daisy
It's tired, they need to give some other characters their time in the spotlight
This show was sold to us fans as "Coulson's SHIELD team", but he's taken a definite backseat to Skye/Daisy every season
Plus her fake badass schtick is tough to buy Chloe Bennet is adorable and likeable, but she's not quite a strong enough actress to carry the show
Get back to Coulson as the lead, bring in more superpowered people who aren't f***ing inhumans, throw a bunch of cash at RDJ or Evans to show up for a pair of episodes, and maybe they can turn this ship around
When she's not acting PA about not getting to be a movie star.
I'm also happy that I'm not alone when it comes to Daisy. I felt like it was an unpopular opinion to have for the longest time, but the fact that Coulson is willing to move mountains for her and her alone is just getting ridiculous.
I have no problem with her statements. The character herself is annoying but I don't hold that against the actress, nor do I hold it against her for reiterating an opinion that (look at this board a lone) quite a few people seem to have about the movies ignoring the shows.
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