Civil War The Civil War "ANYTHING GOES" Thread - ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK - NO SPOILER TAGS REQ.!

[Tacit Ronin]

Vadar is Luke's father.

 

[Broseph44]

Vadar is Luke's father.

Well, If you spelled Vader correctly you'd be correct. I dunno who Vadar is.

 

[Iceman]

Vadar is Darth Vader's German uncle.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Well, If you spelled Vader correctly you'd be correct. I dunno who Vadar is.

Sorry. I was subjecting myself to a Zack Snyder interview (written, not filmed) right before posting that which you have quoted. Hence why my mental faculties were temporarily fried.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

Looking everywhere but I can't find anything regarding post credits.

 

[JOE]

Has anyone seen anything regarding whether Bucky's left arm is ripped off or not?

 

[Iceman]

Has anyone seen anything regarding whether Bucky's left arm is ripped off or not?

I haven't. Was there something that made you think that might happen? Seems quite brutal if so!

 

[Disneyfan]

I am really wondering why and how Clint comes back. He is retired. If he doesn't sign he is forced to retire.... so either way he has no real stake in it. Him and Steve were not best buddies, so why sign up to go against Nat????

I wonder if it has to do with Wanda being told she and Vision have to stay put at the Avengers facility.

 

[Poison Ivy]

Just some stuff from the Junior novelization I found on tumblr. This is the first half of movie, apparently.

-Steve, Sam, Nat, and Wanda are in Lagos, Nigeria tracking Crossbones. He’s working as a mercenary now and breaks into the Institute For Infectious Disease and steals a deadly virus. Fighting ensues, the “your Bucky” line happens, Steve angsts over Bucky and lets his guard down enough for Crossbones to draw him closer, then Crossbones tries to blow them both up. Wanda uses her power to lift the bomb into the air but she’s not strong enough and can’t contain the blast. It explodes in the air and rips through a floor of a hotel, to her devastation.
-Tony is at an MIT graduation. A home movie is being played of Maria Stark playing the piano and Tony filming her. Tony seems to be really close to his mom. Howard comes in and acts kind of *****y. Maria kisses Tony on the cheek and asks him to play piano with her like they used to. The video cuts off there cause Tony recorded over it with a TV show. Tony gives a speech to the graduates and announces they’ll be recipients of the Howard and Maria Stark Foundation grant, all of their projects approved and funded.
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- Tony’s backstage after a press conference after the graduation. A woman walks up to him and asks if he even knows how many people he’s killed. She gives him a picture of her son who died in Sokovia and gives him a lot of crap, blaming him and the Avengers for her sons death. Tony is emotionally wrecked by the exchange.
-Back at the Avengers Compound Wanda is watching the news and upset about the people who died in Nigeria. Steve says it’s not her fault and blames himself for not noticing the vest bomb when he was busy angsting about Bucky. Vision enters the room through the wall and scares Wanda. Steve had asked Vision to let him know when Tony’s arrived, and Tony’s now there with General Ross.
-The discussion about the Accords happens. Unlike the comic, there doesn’t seem to be any kind of registration for all superheros. There’s no talk of people having to reveal any secret identities. The Accords say that the Avengers will only operate under the supervision of a panel, and only when and if the panel deems it necessary. Anyone who won’t sign the agreement will be forced to retire. In particular Ross’ concern is about Wanda and Vision because they’re crazy powerful. They have 3 days to sign, then the Accords ceremony will be held in Vienna.

-The team debates about the Accords. Steve and Sam are completely against it. Rhodey and Tony are completely for it. Vision looks at it from a statistical point of view and feels oversight shouldn’t be outright dismissed. Tony talks about the kid who died in Sokovia. The exchange we’ve seen in the video clips happens; Tony says if they don’t do this now, it will be done to them later. He looks at Wanda and she says they’ll be coming for her. Vision says they’ll protect her. Nat says maybe Tony is right. Steve is disappointed in Nat and leaves.

-Okay, here things get weird and they’ve clearly omitted Peggy’s funeral from the book. Right after Steve leaves it says a full day later Steve hasn’t reported in and Nat goes and finds him in an old church. Now we know the scene in the church is related to Peggy’s funeral, but there’s no mention of the funeral happening or anything about Peggy at all in the book. Probably all skipped for spoilers. Anyway, Nat talks to Steve and she says she’s leaving tomorrow for Vienna to go to the Accords ceremony. She, Tony, Rhodey, and Vision have all signed. Clint says he’s retired, and Steve, Sam, and Wanda don’t sign, making them now no longer Avengers.

-Next day Nat is at the ceremony in Vienna. There she meets both T’Challa and his father T’Chaka. They’re there because some people from Wakanda were killed during the incident in Nigeria. While T’Chaka is giving a speech a bomb goes off. Nat and T’Challa are fine but T’Chaka is killed, (I think; it doesn’t say it outright but it’s implied. I assumed they didn’t outright say it cause it’s a book for kids.) (I should mention, in the conversation prior to all of this T’Challa seems chill and like a nice guy but afterwards he is just straight up NO CHILL through the rest of the book.)

-Now it gets confusing to me again here. In interviews the other day Emily VanCamp said that Sharon is working in Berlin, but here in the book now Sharon is in the US, hanging out in a hotel room with Steve and Sam, and it says that Sharon and Steve had become good friends since after CATWS, but in interviews we were also told that Steve doesn’t even find out who Sharon really is until the funeral, so?? I don’t know what’s going on here. But anyway, the three of them are chillin’ in a hotel room when they see on TV the news about the bomb at the Accords ceremony. Tony is giving an interview, doing damage control. The news then plays CCTV footage of the person seen setting the bomb and it’s Bucky. Sharon gets called in to work and leaves on a military plane for Vienna.

- Nat is still on the scene looking things over and Sharon is now somehow magically there 10 minutes later. I don’t even know? None of this makes sense. T’Challa is pissed and plans to take care of the bomber himself.

- Steve’s phone rings and he and Sam are now suddenly in Vienna too. Nat calls and asks him to stay out of things. (Remember, he’s no longer an Avenger now. Anything he does is on his own.) Steve says he’s got to be the one to bring Bucky in because he’s the least likely to die trying. He goes into the cafe where Sam is. Sharon comes in shortly after and gives him information on where Bucky’s been located - in Romania. Sharon is about to report it to her bosses, but this gives Steve and Sam a headstart.

-Bucky is walking down the street in Romania, checking out some fruit stands. A man looks at him, freaks out and runs away, leaving his newspaper behind. Bucky looks at the paper and sees he’s accused of the bombing in Vienna. Bucky heads home fast, planning to leave another home behind.

- Steve has arrived at Bucky’s shabby apartment. He notices the fridge is unplugged and opens it to find it filled with weapons and ammo. The kitchen table has stacks of notebooks on it. Steve opens one. “There were hastily sketched maps and illustrations, random words written in an almost unreadable scrawl. It looked like the efforts of a distorted mind spilled across the pages.”

-Bucky comes home and Steve asks if he knows him. Bucky says, “You’re Steve.” Steve steps towards him and Bucky steps back. Bucky says he read about Steve at a museum. Sam is watching outside and comes over the comms and tells Steve the GSG9 is coming for Bucky. Steve can tell by the look in Bucky’s eyes that Bucky doesn’t actually remember him, just knows of him from the museum. (omg, yes it says this stuff, it’s straight up fanfiction level here). Bucky says he wasn’t in Vienna, he doesn’t do that anymore. Steve says they’re coming to get you, etc. the stuff we heard over a different scene in the trailer. GSG9 is coming but Steve keeps going on. “You pulled me out of the river.” “I don’t know why I did that.” “Yes, you do,” said Cap, looking Bucky in the eyes.” Yes, this is straight quotes. While this is happening Sam is on comms freaking out while Steve ignores him to stare in Bucky’s eyes.

- The GSG9 troops break in. Bucky reacts automatically, “seemingly programmed”, grabs Steve’s shield to take cover from bullets and pounds his metal fist into the floor. He pulls out the backpack which he’s stored for emergency. “It contained weapons, cash, fake IDs, and everything else he would need to flee effectively.” There’s no mention of notebooks and the ones on the table are left behind. :’( Bucky knocks out everyone, leaves the shield and runs off with his backpack. As he’s fleeing, Black Panther jumps out to reck his ****. A chase ensues and leads to the rooftop where a GSG9 helicopter shoots at Bucky. Steve takes cover, Bucky runs away, Black Panther probably laughs at the puny bullets from behind his mask, and Sam takes out the helicopter.

- The whole motorcycle chase scene then starts. Steve gets into someone’s SUV, Black Panther ends up riding on top of it at one point and at another point ends up riding on top of Sam. (lol, not like that) After Bucky gets knocked off the bike everyone starts to brawl and Black Panther scratches the shield. It ends with Rhodey arriving and firing a repulsor at the ground near them. The troops circle them, Steve looks at Bucky, Bucky’s thinking about making a break for it but knows he can’t. “Cap whispered to Bucky, “No, don’t. It’s what they want you to do.”” Bucky doesn’t like it but understands. Everyone is arrested. Rhodey says he feels like he’s arresting his father and his idiot brother. Black Panther takes off his mask and Steve and Rhodey recognize him as T’Challa.

- It then goes back to Avengers Compound. Wanda is beating up a punching bag when she smells something cooking that reminds her of home. She goes in the kitchen and finds Vision cooking a Sokovian dish to cheer her up. She tastes it while it’s cooking and he tells her he’s never eaten anything a day in his life. It tastes terrible but she tells him it’s good, then takes over cooking it to try and fix it. They talk about their weird powers and people being afraid of them. Wanda decides the food still sucks and gets her purse to go to the store for something. Vision blocks her path and suggests ordering a pizza instead. Wanda gets annoyed that he’s blocking her and he admits that Tony doesn’t want either of them leaving the Compound to avoid any incidents.

- Back to the others, who are being transported to Berlin. Steve, Sam, and T’Challa are in one truck. T’Challa doesn’t want to talk to them. Steve tells him Bucky is innocent. T’Challa says that innocent men don’t run.

- They arrive at the task force headquarters and are taken into the building. They watch as a modified forklift pulls a cage off another truck, with Bucky inside. There they meet Everette Ross (Martin Freeman’s character) who says Bucky is going to be taken for psych evaluation and extradition. Sharon is there too but doesn’t say anything to them. Everette rolls his eyes at Steve’s suggestion of getting Bucky a lawyer and tells Sharon to see that their weapons are locked up because it’s a secure building. The shield, Sam’s wings, and T’Challa’s suit are all carried off.

- Guards lead them into the building where they meet with Nat. T’Challa goes into an office with Everette while Nat, Steve, and Sam go into another room where Tony is there, on the phone. Tony’s again putting out fires, trying to make arrangements to get them out of trouble. He says Ross wants them prosecuted. Steve says he’s not getting the shield back is he and Tony says the shield and wings are still government property.

-T’Challa uses his influence as future king of Wakanda to pressure the world authorities to extradite Bucky to Wakanda to face several charges, including terrorism. Meanwhile Bucky is undergoing psychological evaluation. It’s widely understood that he was brainwashed but they don’t know anything about any residual effects the conditioning might have caused.

-In the room with Tony, Steve watches the evaluation on a live feed monitor. On screen the doctor asks Bucky questions and he’s slow to answer and appears confused. Tony tries to talk Steve into signing the Accords as a way to get them all off the hook. He says apparently it looks bad when Captain America won’t sign your accords so if he’ll do it they can make everything that happened with them going after Bucky look legit. Bucky could go to a nice American psych center instead of a Wakandan jail. Steve knows it’s the only way to help Bucky. Tony presses it, telling Steve he (Tony) needs him, and Steve starts to bend a little. He says it’s not impossible but there needs to be safeguards. Tony starts to cheer up and is ready to get to work amending things. He says once the public relations fire is put out he’ll find a way to reinstate Steve and Wanda. Steve asks what’s this about Wanda, and Tony admits she’s confined to the Compound to protect her. Steve doesn’t think it’s protection but imprisonment and is disappointed in Tony. Tony says it’s the best option because she’s not an American citizen and they won’t give her a visa because she’s a “weapon of mass destruction”. Steve says she’s just a kid. Tony says people just want to feel safe. Steve says, “well you’re doing a great job so far.”

And that's where it ends. The tumblr is mostlycap.

 

[Ninjablade]

Interesting stuff.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

Cool, thanks.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Tony is at an MIT graduation. A home movie is being played of Maria Stark playing the piano and Tony filming her. Tony seems to be really close to his mom

M..Maria.

WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAAAAMMEEE??!???

 

[take3]

do we know who is playing Maria?

 

[Poison Ivy]

do we know who is playing Maria?

I checked the IMDb cast listings, and no one so far.

 

[Best]

do we know who is playing Maria?

Martha

 

[terry78]

Martha

Why did you say that name?

 

[MarvelWarrior]

Martha

Why did you say that name?

This made my day lol

 

[DarkPhoenix82]

Someone on the site that shouldn't be named claims Hawkeye's family bites it... Anyone heard about that?

 

[BatsDC]

The reviews are making it sound like both Cap and Tony live.

 

[DN91]

I had a feeling Cap survives since the red carpet interview with Evans and EVC mention a relationship with Cap & Sharon that is built by the end.

 

[EmmaRose]

Wait so my baby Stevie survives! *rejoices*

 

[killface]

I didn't even know T'Chaka was in the movie...

 

[RedRose]

Wait so my baby Stevie survives! *rejoices*

Right??? I'm so happy!!! But I wonder what the controversial ending is??? I guess we will know by tomorrow if not before then.

 

[Fondue]

Maria Stark is played by Hope Davis. Source: Yahoo Movies

 

[MarvelWarrior]

Steve lives??