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He wasn't visibly anxious or nervous in social settings.
He didn't display a lack of understanding of social norms.
He didn't act in an inappropriate or distasteful way.
He wasn't awkwardly silent or afraid to speak.
He didn't, as a result of his behaviour, have a lack of meaningful connection with others.
How was he confident, he confronted Flash once. He still had trouble even talking to other people. Peter would stand up to Flash in the comics on occasion, so its accurate in that regard. Also, Tobey never felt like a real person, he felt like a walking stereotype, which isn't interesting.I really dig Garfield's look and attitude but I feel that his attitude from the outset was more confident/Spidey-like than Peter-like. People can bash or praise the Raimi films but Tobey's performance was far more sympathetic since more time was spent making him seem like a real sap like the original Peter was in Amazing Fantasy #15. Now if Webb's Peter is more based on the Ultimate Spider-Man Peter then I dunno (I haven't read those comics).
I feel a combination of Tobey Maguire's Peter and Andrew Garfield's Spidey would be the absolute perfect movie portrayal of Spider-Man.
Since we have threads for a lot of the other characters, I thought we maybe should go with one for our main hero as well.
One of the major letdowns of the first film, for me, was Peter Parker's characterization. He just wasn't likeable. At points he was simply mean-spirited (his jabs at criminals while dressed as Spider-Man came off more as demeaning and patronizing than witty or clever). He seemed incredibly immature. His quickness to break his promise to Captain Stacy, and his disrespectful comment about "broken promises being the best kind" didn't do any favors to my opinion of the character.
I think much of this is due to bad scripting rather than Garfield's performance. I'm hoping the characterization will be much better this time around. So to get things started: what would be some ways to improve his character in the second film? Where should his arc go from here? Do you disagree with my above analysis and why?
I'm hoping (fingers crossed!) that Spidey will be a more likeable and sympathetic character this time around.
I have zero concerns with Garfield, he's a perfectly adequate actor and he's got a great, almost infectious enthusiasm for the part. I am wary of actor's praising scripts though, as Henry Cavill claimed that the Man of Steel was one of the best scripts he'd ever read- and that script was garbage.
How was he confident, he confronted Flash once. He still had trouble even talking to other people. Peter would stand up to Flash in the comics on occasion, so its accurate in that regard. Also, Tobey never felt like a real person, he felt like a walking stereotype, which isn't interesting.
it played better with little kids and their parents, though.
Because the character of Peter Parker in TASM was sooooo subtle, layered and complex. lol. Hilarious.
If anything, TASM pandered more to little children and tweens.
Lol now your negativity about everything is just getting ridiculous
Peter was way more complex in the TASM, Toby was plain in comparison
Right. Because when I say something negative about TASM, it's totally different than when you say something negative about SM1.
How do you figure?
Wait, Tobey or Peter?
Toby's Peter was plain, I mean he basically was this goody goody character that he a lot of bad luck and everyone treated him bad and only got angry when the villain threatened and kidnapped MJ,
with Andrew he had a jokey side, a side where you could see the sadness in the character and how he is trying to stay strong
And I don't have something negative about SM1 or SM2 in every thread
In terms of Peter Parker, Imo Tobey and Garfield are about even. Raimi's Peter was depicted in a fashion similar to the way that the character was written in some of the early Lee/Ditko comics and Tobey played the part well. On the other hand, Webb's Peter is more Ultimate/modern 616/TSSM in characterization and Garfield is good at playing that type of character.
As for Spider-Man himself, imo there's no competition. Tobey (Raimi's Spidey) was good, but Garfield (Webb's Spidey) really seems to be an improvement. He has the perfect attitude and sense of humor for the character.
With regards to the whole "broken promise" thing, while it initially left a sour taste in my mouth (I do believe that it made him a bit unsympathetic to the audience), I really like the direction that they are taking with the character. Peter is a flawed human being. He is still young and has a lot of growing, learning, and changing left to do. Peter breaking Captain Stacy's promise (realism aside) was a very selfish and immature thing to do. However, this "broken promise" is something that will make him even more directly responsible for Gwen Stacy's death than he was in the original comics. Had he followed Captain Stacy's dying wishes, had he put his own personal feelings aside and done what was best for Gwen (left her alone) , she would still be alive. It's a very powerful thought, and (if done right) could lead to moments of intense guilt (maybe with the symbiote???), some deep personal reflection,and allow Peter to fully develop into the hero that we know and love- rather than being righteous from the get-go. The guilt of Uncle Ben's death is what gets him to put on a costume and fight crime, but Gwen Stacy's death allows him to fully understand the meaning of what Ben had been trying to tell him...and a hero is born. Could be an interesting angle.
He is still young and has a lot of growing, learning, and changing left to do. This "broken promise" is something that will make him even more directly responsible for Gwen Stacy's death than he was in the original comics. Had he followed Captain Stacy's dying wishes, had he put his own personal feelings aside and done what was best for Gwen (left her alone) , she would still be alive. The guilt of Uncle Ben's death is what gets him to put on a costume and fight crime, but Gwen Stacy's death allows him to fully understand the meaning of what Ben had been trying to tell him...and a hero is born.
This was an awkward sentence.I'll just say that Andrew's Peter felt sufficiently awkward to me in many of the same ways in which I am also awkward.
LOLthis was an awkward sentence.