The Amazing Spider-Man How do you view andrew Garfield's Peter Parker

[Doctor Octopus]

IMO, great supporting characters (whether it be "love interest" or "best friend" ) are characters that can stand on their own two feet. They shouldn't compete with the protagonist for screen/story time, but they should be relevant, interesting, complex, flawed in their own way. They should also have some relevance to the story that transcends their relationship with the protagonist, and they should be allowed to grow and develop as the story progresses: like real human beings. A great example of this really is MJ and Peter’s relationship in the comics. When two real people meet and engage in some type of deep relationship (whether it be romantic or platonic) worlds collide and both of those individuals change for better or worse.

In the TASM franchise, there is very little exploration into Gwen’s “world”. Most of what happens to/for Gwen is explored in terms of what Peter feels and thinks. That isn’t innately bad. Peter is, after all, the main character and the spotlight should be on him. The problem arises when every single glimpse into Gwen’s “world” paints her as a modern-day Mary Sue. An exceptionally good looking, exceptionally intelligent “fiercely independent” beloved young woman with heroic impulses to boot. There’s really not much else to the character than that. She isn’t a “damsel in distress”, I’ll give you that. Instead, she’s the other female trope that’s used quite often in comic books. She’s perfection personified. Someone real women should aspire to be more like.

Then, she bites the dust. They did absolutely everything to clearly show the deaf-blind people in the audience that Gwen isn’t a damsel. That she is “in charge of her own destiny, makes her own decisions, and doesn’t listen to Peter…Girl Power! Rah! Rah!” Then, she dies as a result of disobeying Peter. What kind of screwed up message does that send? I’m sure that they had good intentions. I’m sure that the producers listened to fan complaints about Dunst’s MJ being too much of a damsel, but…seriously? Many female supporting characters in live action cbms (including Ms. Stacy) still leave a lot to be desired.

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[Frodo]

My favorite "Peter Parker" performance was actually his character in The Social Network. After seeing it , I thought that his Peter would be alot closer to that, so when they had him doing the brooding James Dean -eqsue kinda posing and acting in ASM ,I kinda rolled my eyes a bit. I felt he was better when he played up his goofyness and awkwardness more than the outsider/ angst ridden stuff. I could see what the writers and director were trying to go for ,but I think there are better ways to pull off the angst ridden teen boy trope. I think Radcliffe did it well in the Potter Series.

It always reminds be of bad CW teen dramas when they Hollywood tries to go for that, and often , the teen comes off as unsympathetic .

That said, I think he was good in ASM 2. That was the Peter I was looking for. I think he was good but I wouldn't put him up in the best portrayals of heroes, just because the material he had to work with wasn't always that strong.

Stone was great, but I think she played the wrong character. She should have been Mary Jane IMO.

 

[Spider-knight]

Yeah, andrew was not a hipster in those movies. He was most likely a modern day geek. Also I don't believe he was anything like James dean nor did he brood that much

 

[Lantern Venom]

It's a different, divisive version of Peter. Garfield's acting improved significantly between the first two films, and so to did my feelings towards there being two distinct versions of Peter on film. After all, with Spidey being Marvel's most recognizable character (as possibly the most adaptable character in all comics) what's wrong with multiple versions of him?

 

[Spider-knight]

Indeed. And I believe from what I've read of iron man tony was always this jokey

 

[Frodo]

Yeah, andrew was not a hipster in those movies. He was most likely a modern day geek. Also I don't believe he was anything like James dean nor did he brood that much

He really didn't come off as the modern day geek , and the producers wanted him to be more of an outsider than just a geek. He was alot like James Dean from the hair, to the outside vibe they tried to give off , and especially when he yelled at Ben. James Dean was supposed to be the outsider loner type, didn't feel he belonged etc. That was very much the Peter Parker we got in ASM ,And he did do his fair amount of brooding in ASM. No he wasn't a hipster but the guy was a brooder in parts of ASM . That said, he had awkward and goofy moments as well which kinda points to one of the problems of these films of trying to have things both ways going from one extreme to another. ASM2 had it right.

 

[Spider-knight]

He really didn't come off as the modern day geek , and the producers wanted him to be more of an outsider than just a geek. He was alot like James Dean from the hair, to the outside vibe they tried to give off , and especially when he yelled at Ben. James Dean was supposed to be the outsider loner type, didn't feel he belonged etc. That was very much the Peter Parker we got in ASM ,And he did do his fair amount of brooding in ASM. No he wasn't a hipster but the guy was a brooder in parts of ASM . That said, he had awkward and goofy moments as well which kinda points to one of the problems of these films of trying to have things both ways going from one extreme to another. ASM2 had it right.

He's a geek but he's an outsider as in how some people view. Him in a way. He seemed to be down on his luck in school as well and as spiderman. That is how I felt back then though I agree that his performance has gotten even better in 2.

Also I see nothing wrong with his hair. It's curly and he always had that type of hair along with many other people even for Peter Parker in the comics.

 

[DOBSON10]

Personally I think Garfield has been phenomenal. I don't understand the claims that he's rude, annoying or constantly brooding at all. It's like I'm watching a different movie than the few people who make those claims.

Emma Stone was phenomenal as well. They both have been a breath of fresh air for me after having to sit through 3 movies of the incessantly annoying McGuire and Dunst. Two of the most annoying actors to ever hit Hollywood.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

Personally I think Garfield has been phenomenal. I don't understand the claims that he's rude, annoying or constantly brooding at all. It's like I'm watching a different movie than the few people who make those claims.

Emma Stone was phenomenal as well. They both have been a breath of fresh air for me after having to sit through 3 movies of the incessantly annoying McGuire and Dunst. Two of the most annoying actors to ever hit Hollywood.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Personally I think Garfield has been phenomenal. I don't understand the claims that he's rude, annoying or constantly brooding at all. It's like I'm watching a different movie than the few people who make those claims.

Emma Stone was phenomenal as well. They both have been a breath of fresh air for me after having to sit through 3 movies of the incessantly annoying McGuire and Dunst. Two of the most annoying actors to ever hit Hollywood.

Cool story bro

 

[OriginalMiles]

Personally I think Garfield has been phenomenal. I don't understand the claims that he's rude, annoying or constantly brooding at all. It's like I'm watching a different movie than the few people who make those claims.

Emma Stone was phenomenal as well. They both have been a breath of fresh air for me after having to sit through 3 movies of the incessantly annoying McGuire and Dunst. Two of the most annoying actors to ever hit Hollywood.

 

[DOBSON10]

Cool story bro

Thank you.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

It's a different, divisive version of Peter. Garfield's acting improved significantly between the first two films, and so to did my feelings towards there being two distinct versions of Peter on film. After all, with Spidey being Marvel's most recognizable character (as possibly the most adaptable character in all comics) what's wrong with multiple versions of him?

Nothing wrong with multiple versions if they are all good and Andrew's was not.

 

[spiderral]

Personally I think Garfield has been phenomenal. I don't understand the claims that he's rude, annoying or constantly brooding at all. It's like I'm watching a different movie than the few people who make those claims.

Emma Stone was phenomenal as well. They both have been a breath of fresh air for me after having to sit through 3 movies of the incessantly annoying McGuire and Dunst. Two of the most annoying actors to ever hit Hollywood.

I never really understood it when people were saying Peter was so angsty in TASM. Maybe he was a little too cocky as Spider-Man in TASM, yes, but they got him right in TASM2.
Maybe Peter does need to be shown to be just a little more humble.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

I never really understood it when people were saying Peter was so angsty in TASM.

Because he was. He even sits in class with a hood over his head lol.

He's a terrible Peter Parker and Spider-Man. I'm glad we only have to put up with him for one more movie. And that one is 4 years away too.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

I never really understood it when people were saying Peter was so angsty in TASM. Maybe he was a little too cocky as Spider-Man in TASM, yes, but they got him right in TASM2.
Maybe Peter does need to be shown to be just a little more humble.

It's because they are stuck with the perfect Peter

 

[Doctor Octopus]

I have reported you for starting Raimi/Webb arguments Spider-knight. It will be your own fault if they give you probation again. You know it is forbidden by moderators.

The rest of your post is silly. A character showing emotions doesn't make them a good character lol. Shia LeBouf shows emotions in Transformers movies. Wearing a hoody in class doesn't mean you're hiding anything. Peter had nothing to hide with the hood. He was just being all broody and angsty. He's so unlike-able.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

I liked Shia on that franchise.

I did too because I thought he was funny. But his Sam Witwicky character was not deep or special or very memorable even though he showed emotions. People don't hold Sam in a high regard as a movie character.

using a hoody doesn't mean you're angsty. infact when he was being spiderman trying to make a new costume and ideas why would he be angsty about it? he seemed to be hiding something. ifact, when you sit like that sometimes your hoody moves alongside you. happens to me a couple of times. that doesn't even remotely make him unlikable

shia lebeouf was so unlikable in the transformers films it's incredibly insane

It did for Peter. He was all angsty and broody with his hood up. He had nothing to hide with a hood. He was not bald or disfigured or an outlaw on the run lol.

I liked Shia's character more than Andrew's Peter.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

About the hood, wasn't Peter just trying to hide his bruises? That was the impression that I got.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

You are wrong about this one,Ock.

Both scenes he was using a hoodie.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

it means that he's trying to keep things to himself. i know a few people who do that and they aren't even remotely bad people.

You keep saying that it means he was trying to keep things to himself but you have no proof. It's something you made up and it doesn't make any sense.

and bumblebee and the autobots didn't sense anything from that cybertronian chick before why?

Because they are not like Spider-Man. They don't have a sense that goes off when danger is near.

sam had little charm, bad humour, and was less likable. yelling at his friends and companions and had a not so good charm made him unbearable to watch.

Sam had lots of charm, great humour, and was very likeable. He rarely yelled at his friends and companions, and was lots of fun to watch.

 

[Doctor Octopus]

You are wrong about this one,Ock.

Both scenes he was using a hoodie.

I'm not wrong. They're not from the scenes in class where he was wearing it, and he had no bruises in that scene.

 

[Andrew Lucas]

I'm not wrong. They're not from the scenes in class where he was wearing it, and he had no bruises in that scene.

None that you could see. It's a different situation since you can't determine if he had any, but if you take in consideration that the scene was past the chase one where he received some punches causing some bruises to appear on his hands, it's very likely that he was indeed hiding. You don't see anymore scenes where he uses a hoodie besides the ending when Peter finds the Spidey emblem on the wall, and in the school,he was wearing just a T-shirt.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Take this discussion to the Raimi vs Webb thread. Like the ANNOUNCEMENT says. Next reply to this discussion is an infraction.

 

[C. Lee]

This thread is entitled How do you view Andrew Garfield's Peter Parker........so....if you want to discuss Shia Labeuf or Transformers or the Joker...then go the proper forum for that.