Agent Carter Agent Carter General Discussion Thread

[eon001]

Liked what I saw so far. Got me think about potential cameo's for this time era.

*Hope they cast a young Hank Pym to riff with Howard Stark.

*Asgardians are damn near immortal, Not expecting to see Thor or Loki, but maybe some of the Warriors 3. Or random like Asgardian like the character Peter MacNicol played in AoS. His character should actually be alive during this era too.

*Older version of Iron Fist (I think Orson Randall was around during WW1&2)

*Kree's

*Inhuman's

*Hope they can adapt the "Truth: Red, White & Black" story line for a story arc.

*Also like to see some time jumps as the seasons progress. Lets see how the SSR evolves into Shield. Lets see Young Nick Cage's first day on the job in the 60's/70's, Maybe even Maria hills recruitment as the show progresses.

I'm obviously think WAAAY down the line. Not expecting this all to happen next season.

 

[Vartha]

Enjoyed both episodes, can anyone explain where this fits on the time line, I assume it's pre the 1 shot???

I'm not sure to be honest. FlickChick makes a point tho, SHIELD doesn't happen for quite awhile, probably the 60's, I'm sure this takes place in the 40's just after Steve's disappearance. Like I stated above tho, I SWEAR I read the one-shot was a year after First Avenger

 

[Loki882]

Given when this movie takes place, Pym probably hasn't even been born yet. Or if he has, then he's still a VERY small child. So the chances of him showing up are slim to none.

 

[Vartha]

Liked what I saw so far. Got me think about potential cameo's for this time era.

*Hope they cast a young Hank Pym to riff with Howard Stark.

*Asgardians are damn near immortal, Not expecting to see Thor or Loki, but maybe some of the Warriors 3. Or random like Asgardian like the character Peter MacNicol played in AoS. His character should actually be alive during this era too.

*Older version of Iron Fist (I think Orson Randall was around during WW1&2)

*Kree's

*Inhuman's

*Hope they can adapt the "Truth: Red, White & Black" story line for a story arc.

*Also like to see some time jumps as the seasons progress. Lets see how the SSR evolves into Shield. Lets see Young Nick Cage's first day on the job in the 60's/70's, Maybe even Maria hills recruitment as the show progresses.

I'm obviously think WAAAY down the line. Not expecting this all to happen next season.

Don't forget a younger Erik Selvig either. He did say he had a colleague that had dealings with shield before in Thor.

 

[Vartha]

Given when this movie takes place, Pym probably hasn't even been born yet. Or if he has, then he's still a VERY small child. So the chances of him showing up are slim to none.

They ARE still saying Pym WAS Giant-Man in the SIXTIES, so yeah that would make him around MY dad's age today and he was born in the early 40's

 

[Whiskey Tango]

I think this is more or less an expansion of the Carter One-Shot. I doubt it will remain canon after the series.

 

[Endeavor]

This show was EXCELLENT! Like others have mentioned, I thought it was better than the AoS pilot. The pacing was great, the visuals were awesome and the acting was superb. The only minor negative thing I have to say is I think they overdid it with the First Avenger flashbacks. I get that they have to show the GA that things are connected, but I hope they tone that down in the remaining episodes.

 

[Vartha]

I think this is more or less an expansion of the Carter One-Shot. I doubt it will remain canon after the series.

I can see the one-shot fitting in at the tale end of the dismantling of the SSR, but we don't have an exact date that one ends and Shield starts.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

I thought the flashbacks were handled nicely. It's not that long after the war & losing Steve would still weigh heavily on Peg's mind.

 

[Endeavor]

I think this is more or less an expansion of the Carter One-Shot. I doubt it will remain canon after the series.

This is what I think. It's not before, it's definitely not after, it's merely an expansion of the idea presented in that 15 min period. I'm sure the "Stark & Peggy join to start up SHIELD" scenario will be played out in this series eventually. Either in the series finale or a plot point in a future season, if they decide to take that story further.

 

[<(o_o)>]

How many more episodes left to go 7 or 8? Wasn't there originally supposed to be 10 episodes & last night took care of 2 of those episodes or was it only 9 in total & counting last nights back to back episodes there will 7 more left to show?

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Man sometimes they use characters/names from the comics you might have heard of, and sometimes they use really really obscure ones.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

How many more episodes left to go 7 or 8? Wasn't there originally supposed to be 10 episodes & last night took care of 2 of those episodes or was it only 9 in total & counting last nights back to back episodes there will 7 more left to show?

8-part series and they aired the first 2 last night so 6 left to go.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Liked what I saw so far. Got me think about potential cameo's for this time era.

*Hope they cast a young Hank Pym to riff with Howard Stark.

*Asgardians are damn near immortal, Not expecting to see Thor or Loki, but maybe some of the Warriors 3. Or random like Asgardian like the character Peter MacNicol played in AoS. His character should actually be alive during this era too.

*Older version of Iron Fist (I think Orson Randall was around during WW1&2)

*Kree's

*Inhuman's

*Hope they can adapt the "Truth: Red, White & Black" story line for a story arc.

*Also like to see some time jumps as the seasons progress. Lets see how the SSR evolves into Shield. Lets see Young Nick Cage's first day on the job in the 60's/70's, Maybe even Maria hills recruitment as the show progresses.

I'm obviously think WAAAY down the line. Not expecting this all to happen next season.

well, considering this show is being marketed as a "miniseries event" and not a "season" I'm not sure we can bank on another "series". Id love a sequel mini-series to pop up though. But I don't think you can think of this "mini-series" as your typical television show. Unfortunately. As a mini-series this show will likely have the Stark arc over the course of the whole series. with a few tidbits and bones thrown in that deepen the MCU. it's only 8 episodes after all and 2 have already aired...

 

[spideyboy_1111]

This is what I think. It's not before, it's definitely not after, it's merely an expansion of the idea presented in that 15 min period. I'm sure the "Stark & Peggy join to start up SHIELD" scenario will be played out in this series eventually. Either in the series finale or a plot point in a future season, if they decide to take that story further.

That's what i'm thinking as well.. other than what, the zodiac and the formula the one-shot isn't giving us anything the show is not. And unless this mini-series ends with Peggy still being the SSR "secretary" so to speak, the one-shot just doesn't fit in.

The one shot was made as a fan service to show what happened after Cap, before the show was even picked up. The one shot got such favorable reviews that it garnished this mini-series. So yeah, i do think the show is an expansion of the one-shot

 

[Heretic]

I'm sorry, but I can't buy the "One Shot never happened" idea. They used clips from it in the first episode! And is Marvel now in the business of having us watch something and then telling us to disregard it? So...like...maybe Coulson IS dead and we can just pretend that Agents of SHIELD never happened? Is the Daredevil show going to count or maybe it will but in a year it won't? Are the other One Shots now non-canon (so, Killian really WAS The Mandarin and Trevor is still in prison)? But it hardly matters. The first episode showed Peggy remembering the events from the One Shot...so...if she remembers it, it happened...yet it couldn't have happened...but it did.

And again...I'm not sure why so many fans and critics are overlooking the gaping wide story holes in this (such as the fact that the man she busted most certainly would have been killed in the blast the night before). Heck, the entire thing hinges on Stark thinking that Congress might not believe the truth for some reason, and might possibly suspect he was involved...so he chose to basically frame himself and go on the run with Peggy trying to clear his name. That set-up is STUPID, and I hope that they eventually figure out a reason to make all of this happen that doesn't make Stark out to be an idiot who screwed himself. I mean...yeah...the show is cute and all...but it was kind of a mess.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I'm sorry, but I can't buy the "One Shot never happened" idea. They used clips from it in the first episode! And is Marvel now in the business of having us watch something and then telling us to disregard it? So...like...maybe Coulson IS dead and we can just pretend that Agents of SHIELD never happened? Is the Daredevil show going to count or maybe it will but in a year it won't? Are the other One Shots now non-canon (so, Killian really WAS The Mandarin and Trevor is still in prison)? But it hardly matters. The first episode showed Peggy remembering the events from the One Shot...so...if she remembers it, it happened...yet it couldn't have happened...but it did.

1) the 1-shots really arn't as "major" as you think they are... the general public hasn't seen them

2) only people with blu-rays of films get them, and id wager only 50% - 75% that have the blu-ray has watched it. Not everyone is like us posters on the hype obviously.

3) because of the above, it's easy to retcon a one-shot

4) If the clips from the one shot really matter, than that would suggest they've already happened... which doesn't make any sense considering the way the one shot ended, and this show started. It's also why they only showed clips of her in action, because they just wanted footage of her kicking ass... and it not to mean anything more than that.

5) just because one one-shot is retconned doesn't mean they all are. it's not an "all or nothing" kinda thing.

 

[Heretic]

1) the 1-shots really arn't as "major" as you think they are... the general public hasn't seen them

2) only people with blu-rays of films get them, and id wager only 50% - 75% that have the blu-ray has watched it. Not everyone is like us posters on the hype obviously.

3) because of the above, it's easy to retcon a one-shot

4) If the clips from the one shot really matter, than that would suggest they've already happened... which doesn't make any sense considering the way the one shot ended, and this show started. It's also why they only showed clips of her in action, because they just wanted footage of her kicking ass... and it not to mean anything more than that.

5) just because one one-shot is retconned doesn't mean they all are. it's not an "all or nothing" kinda thing.

How can you say that the other One Shots happened? I mean...we now know that the One Shots are freaking pointless! Is there any actual evidence that they happened? I mean...now that Marvel is saying that this one didn't happen...one they liked so much they spun it off into its own mini-series...why would the others have happened? Can we get a statement from Marvel about which ones we should take seriously and which ones no longer count? I mean...they DID use these shorts to help sell the Blu-Ray...so people who put down money deserve to at least be told that we got suckered into spending money on a story that is non-canon.

And "we told you this happened, but not many people cared enough to see it, so for those of you who did care, it no longer happened" is a pathetic excuse anyway that none of us should be willing to accept...heck...as far as I know...that is an excuse people have invented without any input from Marvel just to cover for the fact that Marvel did this.

But...people are willing to swallow this "we're going to use clips from it in memories, but it never happened" excuse because they APPARENTLY refuse to find fault in this. I wonder if people's standards are this low for all of their entertainment, or if they make a special exception for Agent Carter.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

That's what i'm thinking as well.. other than what, the zodiac and the formula the one-shot isn't giving us anything the show is not. And unless this mini-series ends with Peggy still being the SSR "secretary" so to speak, the one-shot just doesn't fit in.

The one shot was made as a fan service to show what happened after Cap, before the show was even picked up. The one shot got such favorable reviews that it garnished this mini-series. So yeah, i do think the show is an expansion of the one-shot

Yarp.

 

[Drizzle]

Don't forget a younger Erik Selvig either. He did say he had a colleague that had dealings with shield before in Thor.

That was a Banner reference, wasn't it? Didn't he mention gamma radiation?

 

[Whiskey Tango]

But...people are willing to swallow this "we're going to use clips from it in memories, but it never happened" excuse because they APPARENTLY refuse to find fault in this. I wonder if people's standards are this low for all of their entertainment, or if they make a special exception for Agent Carter.

Maybe you ought to find a different show to watch if all you're going to do is insult everyone who enjoyed it. Knock it off.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

How can you say that the other One Shots happened? I mean...we now know that the One Shots are freaking pointless! Is there any actual evidence that they happened? I mean...now that Marvel is saying that this one didn't happen...one they liked so much they spun it off into its own mini-series...why would the others have happened? Can we get a statement from Marvel about which ones we should take seriously and which ones no longer count? I mean...they DID use these shorts to help sell the Blu-Ray...so people who put down money deserve to at least be told that we got suckered into spending money on a story that is non-canon.

And "we told you this happened, but not many people cared enough to see it, so for those of you who did care, it no longer happened" is a pathetic excuse anyway that none of us should be willing to accept...heck...as far as I know...that is an excuse people have invented without any input from Marvel just to cover for the fact that Marvel did this.

But...people are willing to swallow this "we're going to use clips from it in memories, but it never happened" excuse because they APPARENTLY refuse to find fault in this. I wonder if people's standards are this low for all of their entertainment, or if they make a special exception for Agent Carter.

because there's nothing to suggest they haven't. And in all honesty... nothing that happened in anything of them asides "All Hail the King" effect anything anyway... None of the other one-shots aside from that change anything about the films we saw, future films, or television. there stories don't effect anything. So it honestly doesn't matter if they are or arn't canon. Even "All Hail the King" doesn't matter until they actually do another Mandarin story... and if they don't.... then yeah, it likely doesn't matter.

Are all comics retconned just because one story is in a book? No

(also marvel isn't saying the Peggy Carter one shot didn't happen... a few of us on the boards are... and it's just a theory.. so don't freak out, you're being overly dramatic about nothing.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Really liked the first two episodes. Atwell simply kills it as Peggy; gorgeous and feisty and a very believable action hero. Also, loved D'Arcy's Jarvis and it's always great to see Dominic Cooper's Howard Stark. The look of the whole thing really knocked it out of the park as well; it had the feel of The Hudsucker Proxy or Dark City. James Frain was also great. I love it when an actor can have such a presence even with virtually no dialogue.

Really interested to see who's on the other end of that... typewriter.

 

[Rowsdower!]

That was a Banner reference, wasn't it? Didn't he mention gamma radiation?

Yeah, that was a Banner reference.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

That was a Banner reference, wasn't it? Didn't he mention gamma radiation?

he mentioned both. though the name pym was edited out of the film. the 2nd colleague was never named in the theatrical release.