Agent Carter Agent Carter General Discussion Thread

[spideyboy_1111]

Maybe you ought to find a different show to watch if all you're going to do is insult everyone who enjoyed it. Knock it off.

her·e·tic
ˈherəˌtik/
noun
a person holding an opinion at odds with what is generally accepted.



it's funny when people's screen names really do match there hype personalities...

Heretic likes to complain alot about everything.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

because there's nothing to suggest they haven't. And in all honesty... nothing that happened in anything of them asides "All Hail the King" effect anything anyway... None of the other one-shots aside from that change anything about the films we saw, future films, or television. there stories don't effect anything. So it honestly doesn't matter if they are or arn't canon. Even "All Hail the King" doesn't matter until they actually do another Mandarin story... and if they don't.... then yeah, it likely doesn't matter.

Seriously why isn't he wasting breath complaining about The Consultant? if any of the One Shots are problematic from a continuity standpoint it's that one.

(also marvel isn't saying the Peggy Carter one shot didn't happen... a few of us on the boards are... and it's just a theory.. so don't freak out, you're being overly dramatic about nothing.

That's his shtick.

 

[Loki882]

One thing that I was pleasantly surprised by is the portrayal of her co-workers:

1. The show seems to be tackling the rampant sexism/misogyny of that era head on, which is refreshing. Marvel has been somewhat reluctant to directly address/tackle difficult subjects like that in the past.

2. While her co-workers are sexist pigs (except for maybe the handicapped guy, he seems alright), they're also clearly competent at their jobs. They figure out pretty much everything that Peggy does, independent of her. She just tends to get there first because she has "inside information" and contacts that they don't, and she's being more "hand's on."

 

[Heretic]

her·e·tic
ˈherəˌtik/
noun
a person holding an opinion at odds with what is generally accepted.



it's funny when people's screen names really do match there hype personalities...

Heretic likes to complain alot about everything.

I don't complain about everything...but when I make a VALID complaint and other people brush it off as "oh it doesn't matter because...it doesn't matter...and you shouldn't care because it doesn't matter" then that is a bit frustrating.

The One Shot happened AND didn't happen. We should ALL be willing to acknowledge that this is a screw-up for Marvel. It doesn't make you a bigger fan to pretend that they didn't make a mistake...and it doesn't make me a worse fan for expecting stuff to make sense.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

One thing that I was pleasantly surprised by is the portrayal of her co-workers:

1. The show seems to be tackling the rampant sexism/misogyny of that era head on, which is refreshing. Marvel has been somewhat reluctant to directly address/tackle difficult subjects like that in the past.

I've seen a few people calling this cheesy or unrealistic but that sort of extreme patronizing behaviour is pretty spot on for the period.

2. While her co-workers are sexist pigs (except for maybe the handicapped guy, he seems alright), they're also clearly competent at their jobs. They figure out pretty much everything that Peggy does, independent of her. She just tends to get there first because she has "inside information" and contacts that they don't, and she's being more "hand's on."

Indeed, a lesser show would have surrounded her with bumbling incompetents. The whole thing plays much better when she's barely one step ahead and makes her look more awesome besides.

 

[Heretic]

Seriously why isn't he wasting breath complaining about The Consultant? if any of the One Shots are problematic from a continuity standpoint it's that one.



That's his shtick.

Did something happen LAST NIGHT that conflicts with The Consultant????

Oh...so you expect me to ignore a glaring continuity error that happened last night while focusing on an error that happened years ago?

Complaining isn't my shtick. I like lots of stuff. It appears that refusing to find fault in anything may be other people's shtick.

 

[Endeavor]

Woah, since when does the word expansion = retcon?
Peggy kicking Zodiac butt, still happens. Peggy joining Stark to start up SHIELD, still happens... This miniseries is just showing us other stuff that also happened. How is that so hard to understand?

 

[C. Lee]

Hows about this for everyone....discuss the show without spending all your time griping about other posters.

 

[Heretic]

Woah, since when does the word expansion = retcon?
Peggy kicking Zodiac butt, still happens. Peggy joining Stark to start up SHIELD, still happens... This miniseries is just showing us other stuff that also happened. How is that so hard to understand?

Because in episode 1 of this series, Peggy remembers the events that took place on her FINAL night of employment with SSR and she quit the next day to run SHIELD. Then, after she remembers these events, she goes to work for SSR as a marginalized employee. That isn't an expansion...its a continuity error.

It's INSANE that people are defending this. It could be a small gripe...but to see people brush it off like it didn't happen is just...its WEIRD.

 

[enygma]

I'm not sure to be honest. FlickChick makes a point tho, SHIELD doesn't happen for quite awhile, probably the 60's, I'm sure this takes place in the 40's just after Steve's disappearance. Like I stated above tho, I SWEAR I read the one-shot was a year after First Avenger

I watched the 1 shot two days ago in prep for the series starting. At the end of the one shot Peggy is called to Washington to run S.H.I.E.L.D with Stark Snr & Philips. So I don't know, maybe the series is a retcon.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I don't complain about everything...but when I make a VALID complaint and other people brush it off as "oh it doesn't matter because...it doesn't matter...and you shouldn't care because it doesn't matter" then that is a bit frustrating.

The One Shot happened AND didn't happen. We should ALL be willing to acknowledge that this is a screw-up for Marvel. It doesn't make you a bigger fan to pretend that they didn't make a mistake...and it doesn't make me a worse fan for expecting stuff to make sense.

but that's just it.. your points are only valid to yourself.

you're being overly dramatic, and quite silly.

 

[Endeavor]

Because in episode 1 of this series, Peggy remembers the events that took place on her FINAL night of employment with SSR and she quit the next day to run SHIELD. Then, after she remembers these events, she goes to work for SSR as a marginalized employee. That isn't an expansion...its a continuity error.

It's INSANE that people are defending this. It could be a small gripe...but to see people brush it off like it didn't happen is just...its WEIRD.

I think you're putting too much meaning behind one visual. As stated before, it was probably just meant as part of a montage showing Peggy kicking butt and used as an exposition of her abilities. Just be patient. I'm pretty confident either the end of this miniseries or whatever comes next shows that it will all still fit in continuity-wise.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Woah, since when does the word expansion = retcon?
Peggy kicking Zodiac butt, still happens. Peggy joining Stark to start up SHIELD, still happens... This miniseries is just showing us other stuff that also happened. How is that so hard to understand?

i think it depends on what your definition of "expansion" is. for me.. it appears that the mini-series may be a much more in-depth and drawn out version of the one shot. if that ends up being the case.. then yes the one-shot would be retconned

 

[samsnee]

So since we saw Vanko, what are chances we'll get Obediah Stane at some point? Or is he too young to be in this series?

 

[Heretic]

but that's just it.. your points are only valid to yourself.

you're being overly dramatic, and quite silly.

You don't think its valid that Agent Carter remembers an event that never happened?

And again...the reason why I'm being "dramatic" is not because the error happened...its that other people refuse to accept that it happened and jump through hoops to justify why the show did not, could not, have any problems.

Marvel told us that the One Shot happened. Now it didn't happen, but Peggy remembers that it happened. It does not make you less of a fan to accept that this was an error that they could have covered up a bit better.

There actually are other aspects of the show that I'd RATHER discuss...it's just baffling to me that people can't accept that this problem happened.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Hows about this for everyone....discuss the show without spending all your time griping about other posters.

oops just saw your post

 

[enygma]

That was a Banner reference, wasn't it? Didn't he mention gamma radiation?

Yes and yes.

 

[eon001]

lol So confused right now. I was under the impression everything was canon. even the one shots. Going to have re-watch the the Carter one shot.

well, considering this show is being marketed as a "miniseries event" and not a "season" I'm not sure we can bank on another "series". Id love a sequel mini-series to pop up though. But I don't think you can think of this "mini-series" as your typical television show. Unfortunately. As a mini-series this show will likely have the Stark arc over the course of the whole series. with a few tidbits and bones thrown in that deepen the MCU. it's only 8 episodes after all and 2 have already aired...

Fair enough. If the show is a huge success though, I'm sure we'll see more seasons. I've enjoyed the 2 episodes more than everything I've seen from Agents of Shield, and I'm not even an AoS hater.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

You don't think its valid that Agent Carter remembers an event that never happened?

And again...the reason why I'm being "dramatic" is not because the error happened...its that other people refuse to accept that it happened and jump through hoops to justify why the show did not, could not, have any problems.

Marvel told us that the One Shot happened. Now it didn't happen, but Peggy remembers that it happened. It does not make you less of a fan to accept that this was an error that they could have covered up a bit better.

There actually are other aspects of the show that I'd RATHER discuss...it's just baffling to me that people can't accept that this problem happened.

i don't think there's anything to prove she is "remembering" anything. that's where the drama is. you're over reacting about "what if" scenarios and theories. as said before. just be patient. or if you don't like the show, don't watch it.


Marvel hasn't said squat about when this takes place or if anything is retconned.. so chill. don't put words in their mouths.

 

[Endeavor]

Hell, I already have another working theory on how it all could fit in, without negating anything that's been shown:
The One Shot happens and Stark calls Peggy to start up SHIELD, but then the tech theft takes place and whatever he intended to do has to be placed on hold. This fits with the beggining of this series, since we see that Stark has been under investigation for some time and already been in front of a congressional committee. So Peggy has no choice but to return to the SSR, which I'm sure would not be an issue with someone like Col Phillips pushing SRR brass to take her back. Maybe she gets assigned to a different team, or the idiot that was her superior before gets reassigned...

Anyway, point is, don't jump to conclusions and give the story a chance to play out. Because there are still many possibilities.

 

[Silvermoon]

You don't think its valid that Agent Carter remembers an event that never happened?

And again...the reason why I'm being "dramatic" is not because the error happened...its that other people refuse to accept that it happened and jump through hoops to justify why the show did not, could not, have any problems.

Marvel told us that the One Shot happened. Now it didn't happen, but Peggy remembers that it happened. It does not make you less of a fan to accept that this was an error that they could have covered up a bit better.

There actually are other aspects of the show that I'd RATHER discuss...it's just baffling to me that people can't accept that this problem happened.

Maybe as it pertains to episode one, what she was remembering WASNT the event of a one shot but was a totally separate event where she also happened to kick a guy through a window - hey, she probably does it a lot. Why don't we just wait and see where the remaining 6 episodes take us though, and see where the series ends? If it's still a continuity problem by the end, then hey, it's a continuity problem and Marvel made a mistake. I agree with the others though, I think right now you're overreacting a bit for a shot that lasted like 1 whole second in length.

 

[Heretic]

I think you're putting too much meaning behind one visual. As stated before, it was probably just meant as part of a montage showing Peggy kicking butt and used as an exposition of her abilities. Just be patient. I'm pretty confident either the end of this miniseries or whatever comes next shows that it will all still fit in continuity-wise.

Yes, that I am confident about. When this mini-series is over, it will make sense and be a fun show...and if my theory is true...will introduce a whole new storyline/concept into the MCU (in fact, if the Zodiac Cartel idea is really being developed here as I am theorizing...then it is POSSIBLE...though unlikely...that the man with no eyes in Agents of SHIELD is Libra rather than Reader, though I doubt it). The problem is...if they are planning to over-write the One Shot and therefore make it so that it didn't happen, it was IDIOTIC to include scenes from the One Shot in the first episode. Plus...and I've mentioned this before...the memory montage was all about her and Captain America...and the song playing went along with that...and then there are the random One Shot clips thrown in...so even if there were no continuity issues at all with that montage, it was STILL done poorly because those clips have no place in a memory montage about her and Cap. Had they left them out it would have kept the montage on point AND eliminated a continuity error.

 

[eon001]

Woah, since when does the word expansion = retcon?
Peggy kicking Zodiac butt, still happens. Peggy joining Stark to start up SHIELD, still happens... This miniseries is just showing us other stuff that also happened. How is that so hard to understand?

I'm going to save myself the trouble of re-watching and analyzing the one shots and just agree with this.
Seriously if there really is continuity errors, I'll just put it down to the writers retroactively trying to sync up the universe. Marvel have worked so hard to make all there live action canon, I can't see why they would just disregard an 8 episode show and the one shot that led to it. I'm sure they'll shoe horn in an explanation. My bet is on Wizard t:

 

[Heretic]

i don't think there's anything to prove she is "remembering" anything. that's where the drama is. you're over reacting about "what if" scenarios and theories. as said before. just be patient. or if you don't like the show, don't watch it.


Marvel hasn't said squat about when this takes place or if anything is retconned.. so chill. don't put words in their mouths.

The scene was a classic memory montage sequence.

I'm not putting words in Marvel's mouth...I'm pointing out that they showed clips from the One Shot, but the One Shot couldn't have happened yet. OTHER PEOPLE are defending the clips by saying that Marvel has retconned t or whatever...so you should be telling the people defending it to not put words in Marvel's mouth. That's kind of my point. At this moment, there is ZERO defense for those clips being used...yet people are finding ways to justify it by inventing "words in Marvel's mouth."

 

[Heretic]

Maybe as it pertains to episode one, what she was remembering WASNT the event of a one shot but was a totally separate event where she also happened to kick a guy through a window - hey, she probably does it a lot. Why don't we just wait and see where the remaining 6 episodes take us though, and see where the series ends? If it's still a continuity problem by the end, then hey, it's a continuity problem and Marvel made a mistake. I agree with the others though, I think right now you're overreacting a bit for a shot that lasted like 1 whole second in length.

I'm not reacting AT ALL to the shot...I'm reacting to OTHER PEOPLE'S reaction.

It's kind of crazy that people are like "oh yeah...it didn't happen or it did...but it was just a One Shot so who cares...stop complaining...in fact, there's nothing to complain about because it didn't happen and did happen and hasn't happened yet but it will or might or might not, so there is no problem and don't criticize the show."

It's one thing for Marvel to have ONE continuity error in their vast universe...that WILL happen from time to time. It's another thing for fans to refuse to believe their lying eyes when it does happen, and tell me that I should ignore it because I should just jump through hoops to explain it away to myself.

I love the Marvel Cinematic Universe. I will watch every episode of this show. But I won't pretend that Marvel can't screw up.