Agent Carter Agent Carter - S01E08 - "Valediction"

[TalismanRing]

Might also explain some of the things found in the East River.

 

[DN91]

If the show continues and gets to cover Jarvis' death, it's gonna be a tearjerker.

 

[VictorShade]

What a brilliant idea! I hope the writers had that in mind when they wrote the scene. That gives us some interesting possible storylines in the future.

Thank you very much Best Girl.

Surely common sense would dictate that those two prisoners were prime candidates for an 'isolation' setting/confinement. Other hands are pulling these strings!

 

[DN91]

Thank you very much Best Girl.

Surely common sense would dictate that those two prisoners were prime candidates for an 'isolation' setting/confinement. Other hands are pulling these strings!

It probably wouldn't be Alexander Pierce, since he's either not born yet, or a part of any organization in 1946.

 

[Quasimod0]

What a fantastic ending. If the show doesn't continue, then this was a fine ending. But it definitely left things open for another season.

 

[Val Hallen]

WE'll get another season I'm sure and I'm happy to be looking forward to it!

 

[Snow Queen]

I need season 2. Right now. Behind Winter Soldier, this is my favourite thing Marvel's put out and I think I like Peggy more than the protagonists in their films.

Now, season 2 with Zola in a recurring role please.

 

[Just_Human]

that woman working on Romanoff in that AOU flashback scene

Im really hoping it's an older Dottie

no? Just me?


ok then

 

[TalismanRing]

no? Just me?

ok then

Could be but that woman didn't look old enough. She would have to be in her late 70s to 80s by then.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

Perfect way to end the season since there so many callbacks to TFA and events in the IM movies that actually worked, especially the inclusion of Zola. You could also tell that they've set up certain things that really connect the show with what's transpired so far in the MCU. I think the most heartfelt moments were definitely Peggy talking to Howard over the radio about loss and moving on and then her dumping Steve's blood as her way of finally getting closure. That final scene of her on the bridge was a perfect way to end the season or series.

 

[GREEN =w= DAY]

if the show doesn't come back for a 2nd season then it closed off nicely, but i really want to see a 2nd season

hopefully we'll get to see more of the Howling Commandos and possibly even Bucky during his Winter Soldier turning phase

 

[Heretic]

I don't think we need a season of Arnim and Faustus working behind Peggy's back to grow Hydra. Remember, Peggy loses that battle...and in fact never even knew that it was a battle that needed to be fought. It can't make her look good to show her being completely played and never catching on. If there is a second season, I think they should move as much away from Hydra as possible...mention it if necessary...but lets keep Carter away from the people who end up taking over her group and almost destroying the world.

 

[JJmelo]

I don't think we need a season of Arnim and Faustus working behind Peggy's back to grow Hydra. Remember, Peggy loses that battle...and in fact never even knew that it was a battle that needed to be fought. It can't make her look good to show her being completely played and never catching on. If there is a second season, I think they should move as much away from Hydra as possible...mention it if necessary...but lets keep Carter away from the people who end up taking over her group and almost destroying the world.

I like the idea of moving away from them. Look more into the Black Widow Program and Leviathan. They are still out there and we don't know much about them. Dottie is still kicking and seems like the type to hold a grudge.

If they do want to move the HYDRA story along. I like the idea of them doing it inch by inch in after credit button scenes every halfway point. Like at episode 4 and the finale (assuming they stick with 8 episodes) they have them canoodling at the prison for a couple minutes. We don't have to watch every step of the way. Maybe just show them signing up for SHIELD in one episode, then have them recruit more scientists and whisper "hail hydra" in their ears as they pass by or something. Just so we know that it is moving along.

Here is my full review of the season finale for all those interested
http://otlnews.net/2015/02/25/agent-carter-review-s1-ep-8-valediction-season-finale/

 

[fixxxer]

Fantastic way to close things out.

Will come back with my full thoughts on the episode proper when I have a little more time on my hands, but I loved the tag scene so much. As soon as it became apparent that we were getting a tag scene, my brain screamed "ZOOOOLLLLAAA!" It might have been a little predictable... but in the best kind of way. Just made so much sense and fit perfectly into the larger MCU tapestry.

Also, some folks have questioned the decision to put Zola and Faustus in the same cell. While it might not have been the most prudent thing, remember that Zola, up to this point, has been constantly underestimated. I can understand overlooking Zola as a serious threat. Or, maybe Zola even has a few prison guards in his HYDRA-shaped pocket and orchestrated that himself.

Think back even to the scene with Tommy Lee Jones in CA:TFA after Zola's captured. His genius (Machiavellian and otherwise) is unparalleled in the MCU and yet, everyone, Red Skull included, treats him like a sniveling, inconsequential sidekick. In the end, he showed 'em all, huh? Go Zola!

 

[RaZaTrOn]

Very clever show all the way, it stands so well on it's own but has fantastic subtle nods to what we are getting in the present MCU. One thing that stood out for me, and I don't know if it was done on purpose but after Peggy tells Jarvis to "Stand down." We get a shot of Jarvis in the plane and he says 'Thank goodness.' but it has what sounds like a robotic filter over it. Made me think of J.A.R.V.I.S. and Vision

 

[Huddsy]

Consider me... underwhelmed by this end.

Anyone else notice that this whole show makes the One-Shot 'Agent Carter' ... NOT WORK. We clearly see by the end of this season she's an integral member of the S.S.R. in the eyes of her peers, yet in the one shot she never is until Howard brings her along to form SHIELD.

It doesn't work. It's completely contradicted what is supposed to be MCU Canon.

 

[Silvermoon]

Also, no Steve flashback so why did Evans shave his beard for that one week...

Which week/when was that? (i.e. was it recent enough that it could've been for the AOU reshoots? or was it before then?)

Since Howard survives until his murder in the 70's...

1991, not 70's (you might be thinking of Tony's birth that occurs in 1970)

Consider me... underwhelmed by this end.

Anyone else notice that this whole show makes the One-Shot 'Agent Carter' ... NOT WORK. We clearly see by the end of this season she's an integral member of the S.S.R. in the eyes of her peers, yet in the one shot she never is until Howard brings her along to form SHIELD.

It doesn't work. It's completely contradicted what is supposed to be MCU Canon.

There was always the possibility that the One-shot would be removed/retconned out of MCU canon by this - it was a discussion that came up quite frequently.

Personally, with a little twisting and a bit of headcanon, I think it can still possibly fit in. For one, the one-shot's office appears to be a different location (i.e. there's a stairway down in the main room) so it could be a different New York sub-office, she could still be transferred to a new office where they don't know her/she ends up starting over at the bottom of the totem pole again. We know the season finale here takes place in May - that leaves a possible 7 months (since the one-shot also takes place in 1946) for circumstances to shift and change in a way to still allow it.

That's just my personal opinion/take on it though, I know not everyone will agree.

 

[Drz]

Spoiler

More action scenes, and better camera edits for Carter vs. Black Widow, it just sort of ends?

Why the parallels with Howard Stark flying the plane and Captain America? Did we really need this?

We're still going with this "women are being treated bad" theme? Season 1 preferred ending would had been Carter running the show, this Agent Thompson drama was unneeded.

They're letting two war criminals share a cell? What idiots!

 

[Overman27pj]

Peggy's smile after Souza asks about that drink is one of the best smiles I've ever seen.

 

[VictorShade]

Or, maybe Zola even has a few prison guards in his HYDRA-shaped pocket and orchestrated that himself.

I was taking that possibility into consideration with my theory as well.
But simple guards, with or without some influence by Zola, wouldn't have the authority to place this new, extremely dangerous enemy of the state, with his fantastic, dangerous abilities, into a cell, with the freaking Red Skulls, leading Nazi scientist, co-hort. Just dont see it. Plus,you would imagine that they would both be monitored at a high level. Higher authorities would definately not let them be together. Unless someone at a higher level made the arrangement and implemented it through his control of the staff at the facility.

 

[Uskok]

There was always the possibility that the One-shot would be removed/retconned out of MCU canon by this - it was a discussion that came up quite frequently.

Personally, with a little twisting and a bit of headcanon, I think it can still possibly fit in. For one, the one-shot's office appears to be a different location (i.e. there's a stairway down in the main room) so it could be a different New York sub-office, she could still be transferred to a new office where they don't know her/she ends up starting over at the bottom of the totem pole again. We know the season finale here takes place in May - that leaves a possible 7 months (since the one-shot also takes place in 1946) for circumstances to shift and change in a way to still allow it.

That's just my personal opinion/take on it though, I know not everyone will agree.

+1,....good post

I was taking that possibility into consideration with my theory as well.
But simple guards, with or without some influence by Zola, wouldn't have the authority to place this new, extremely dangerous enemy of the state, with his fantastic, dangerous abilities, into a cell, with the freaking Red Skulls, leading Nazi scientist, co-hort. Just dont see it. Plus,you would imagine that they would both be monitored at a high level. Higher authorities would definately not let them be together. Unless someone at a higher level made the arrangement and implemented it through his control of the staff at the facility.

Maybe some right-wing member of the US government.

 

[Indy Flash]

I was taking that possibility into consideration with my theory as well.
But simple guards, with or without some influence by Zola, wouldn't have the authority to place this new, extremely dangerous enemy of the state, with his fantastic, dangerous abilities, into a cell, with the freaking Red Skulls, leading Nazi scientist, co-hort. Just dont see it. Plus,you would imagine that they would both be monitored at a high level. Higher authorities would definately not let them be together. Unless someone at a higher level made the arrangement and implemented it through his control of the staff at the facility.

That could be.

 

[Pokkle]

I was taking that possibility into consideration with my theory as well.
But simple guards, with or without some influence by Zola, wouldn't have the authority to place this new, extremely dangerous enemy of the state, with his fantastic, dangerous abilities, into a cell, with the freaking Red Skulls, leading Nazi scientist, co-hort. Just dont see it. Plus,you would imagine that they would both be monitored at a high level. Higher authorities would definately not let them be together. Unless someone at a higher level made the arrangement and implemented it through his control of the staff at the facility.

Even without be in the same cell, they could have spoke in the facility when they eat/ go outside/etc It doesn't really change anything.

And since Zola will be recruited by shield, they unfortunately didn't see him as too dangerous.

And Zola seems to know the abilities of Fennhoff and who he is so he must have some outside informations.

 

[TalismanRing]

In the EW interview Marcus & McFeely said it was originally supposed to be adjacent cells but that the limits of shooting dictated by sets, time etc made them cellmates.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Consider me... underwhelmed by this end.

Anyone else notice that this whole show makes the One-Shot 'Agent Carter' ... NOT WORK. We clearly see by the end of this season she's an integral member of the S.S.R. in the eyes of her peers, yet in the one shot she never is until Howard brings her along to form SHIELD.

It doesn't work. It's completely contradicted what is supposed to be MCU Canon.

Maybe you could judge the episode based on its own merits and not based on whether it affects something else?

Anyway, to me, it's a retcon. Assume what's contradicted is no longer there but everything that's not contradicted is still valid. I would simply time jump Stark's ending - have everything with Zodiac happen first and then assume the ending with Stark happens years later after everything with the SSR. Alternatively, you can assume she gets a new boss who treats her like dirt and then the thing with Zodiac happens (in that case, it's only the year that's necessarily wrong).

But this is really a side topic, since the episode deserves to be judged on its own merits.