MCU: The Marvel Cinematic Universe Official Discussion - Part 3

[Eddie]

Presumably they're Phase 4. One of them is releasing a year and a half after Infinity War concludes (unless they're pulling a fast one and that last film is Guardians of the Galaxy: Infinity War).

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Pretty sure you get what the problem is.

EDIT: I will say this, though, as I said it on the Captain Marvel board. It's very possible that for what they have planned, Captain Marvel MUST come right before Infinity War: Part 2. She's had 3 release dates so far, and they've all kept her film as the one before IW2, which suggests to me that the two may be significantly tied together from a story perspective. Because the easy solution would have just been to put the new Ant-Man in March 2019, but they don't seem to want any movie to come between CM and IW2. Black Panther has moved all over the place, sometimes before IW1, sometimes after it, but CM has ALWAYS been the movie right before IW2 no matter what. If those two have to remain connected for the story they're trying to tell, I'd be less critical of this decision, but only time will tell on that front.

I think it is too early to jump to conclusions as to Marvel's intentions, which is why I'm not panicking. Like I said on the Captain Marvel board, as long as it doesn't get pushed beyond IW2, I'm not going to get too worried about it.

 

[flickchick85]

Remember, they had release dates staked out for Phase 3 before they actually announced Phase 3 or any movies in it. I would assume that's what's happening here.

 

[Infinight888]

People are rightfully annoyed because Marvel is trying to have their cake and eat it too - saying Wasp is their first headlining female character, while we all know she's still playing 2nd fiddle to to a white guy, and while pushing back their actual first headlining female character. AGAIN. The first time was for another sequel for another white guy. Sorry, but that's logical annoyance.

Wait... What does the race have to do with anything? You realize Black Panther was pushed FOREWARD, right? I also disagree with the idea that Hope will be playing second fiddle to Scott. I imagine this movie will be more about getting Janet back from the Quantum Realm, which will mean a lot of the movie will probably be focussed on Hope.

 

[flickchick85]

Black Panther was pushed forward to a much less advantageous date, box office-wise. And why do I think Hope will play 2nd fiddle to Scott? Have you seen the leaked Sony e-mails? Have you seen the lack of Black Widow in the MCU marketing? Have Marvel given me any reason to give them the benefit of the doubt here? No. They haven't. They're gonna be 20 films into their franchise before giving us a lead female hero, despite half the world's population and 40% of their viewing audience being female. That's just sad.

 

[CaptainWagner]

Well, in their defense, a lot of their issues with female characters stemmed from Perlmutter's demands.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

Have you seen the leaked Sony e-mails? Have you seen the lack of Black Widow in the MCU marketing?

You realize that Perlmutter is gone?
As far as I can see it, Jan never really played second fiddle to Hank in the comics (well, relativley speaking. the 60s were the 60s after all) and I see no reason why Hope should play one to Scott

 

[Eddie]

The television slate is part of the same franchise, and Jessica Jones & Peggy Carter lead their own shows. AOS is also largely driven by Daisy/Skye/Quake, and Marvel's Most Wanted is basically the new take on that Mockingbird show they were considering at one point. Hell, Melinda May beat quite a few characters to the punch in getting a Funko Pop figure.

 

[Iceman]

For me pushing things backwards and forwards makes little difference as I'm looking forward to everything. The ones I want most are the team films but they only get more epic with more build up.

 

[flickchick85]

You realize that Perlmutter is gone?

That doesn't exactly earn my blind faith that things will change. Especially when one of their 1st decisions when out from under his rule is to push back their lead female hero for a 2nd time. But we'll see. As I mentioned, there could be a big story reason they're keeping CM inseparable from IW2, in which case this would be much more understandable. I'm just saying from the outside, it doesn't look good. And calling the people on the CM boards (many of whom are women) who are critical of it "crazy" and "illogical" for thinking so REALLY doesn't look good, as Marvel has given them plenty of logical reasons to be critical over the years.

 

[SwiftFox]

EDIT: I will say this, though, as I said it on the Captain Marvel board. It's very possible that for what they have planned, Captain Marvel MUST come right before Infinity War: Part 2. She's had 3 release dates so far, and they've all kept her film as the one before IW2, which suggests to me that the two may be significantly tied together from a story perspective. Because the easy solution would have just been to put the new Ant-Man in March 2019, but they don't seem to want any movie to come between CM and IW2. Black Panther has moved all over the place, sometimes before IW1, sometimes after it, but CM has ALWAYS been the movie right before IW2 no matter what. If those two have to remain connected for the story they're trying to tell, I'd be less critical of this decision, but only time will tell on that front.

That is an excellent point and you are probably on to something.

 

[BobJM]

I like Captain Marvel, but admittedly, after just reading the first three volumes her of Marvel Now! solo by DeConnick, I can't say that I'm absolutely dying for a solo flick.

I love the character though, and would love to see a pre-CM Carol Danvers introduced in a Marvel film beforehand.

 

[Parker Wayne]

Did anyone else realize that Black Panther gets released during Black History Month and Captain Marvel during Women's History Month?

 

[Parker Wayne]

Black Panther got moved to Black History Month and Captain Marvel's scheduled release is on International Women's Day. I'm starting to think this wasn't a coincidence.

Yeah I just realized that. It feels like a condescending move, especially considering that they didn't need to move Captain Marvel.

 

[Saitou Hajime]

Black Panther was pushed forward to a much less advantageous date, box office-wise.

FSoG and TLM have shown movies can draw in February. BP at least gets out of the crowded late summer position.

 

[Parker Wayne]

FSoG and TLM have shown movies can draw in February. BP at least gets out of the crowded late summer position.

You could have moved it to March and also avoid the February stigma.

Also, I have no idea what movies you are talking about with those acronyms.

 

[doink]

EDIT: I will say this, though, as I said it on the Captain Marvel board. It's very possible that for what they have planned, Captain Marvel MUST come right before Infinity War: Part 2. She's had 3 release dates so far, and they've all kept her film as the one before IW2, which suggests to me that the two may be significantly tied together from a story perspective. Because the easy solution would have just been to put the new Ant-Man in March 2019, but they don't seem to want any movie to come between CM and IW2. Black Panther has moved all over the place, sometimes before IW1, sometimes after it, but CM has ALWAYS been the movie right before IW2 no matter what. If those two have to remain connected for the story they're trying to tell, I'd be less critical of this decision, but only time will tell on that front.

I think that's likely the case, that they want CM to come right before IW2 because it'll have important tie-ins to IW's story.

Also there was that rumor a while back about WB scheduling a Batfleck solo film in November 2018, which could also explain why CM was pushed back.

 

[Loki882]

Nah, I get their annoyance though. Like I said, it's not as bad as the last shake-up of the schedule, but I can see why Captain Marvel getting pushed back again is annoying for them.

Captain Marvel (or just a female hero in general) has been a long time coming so I can see why folks are getting impatient. IMO that's more the fault of the studios and Hollywood in general.

That's a bit of an understatement. Just in regards to Marvel, it'll have been 11 years and 20 films, before we get ONE female-led one (maybe, they might decide to push it back yet again at some point). It certainly doesn't LOOK particularly good, that track record. And the consolation prize is a film starring a white guy, where maybe the co-lead is a woman (I have my doubts about that, given how she was treated in the first film). Plus it makes their argument that they have this set in stone plan that they cannot deviate from seem far less convincing.

And when people complain about "whiners" well that's the studio's fault for dragging their feet on this issue for so damn long. Not just Marvel, ALL of them do this to one degree or another. It's only natural that people will get fed up with it after awhile.

 

[third3ye]

Did anyone else realize that Black Panther gets released during Black History Month and Captain Marvel during Women's History Month?

If any studio could leverage that timing for marketing, it's Disney. Probably not a coincidence. Still a bit of an uphill climb at the box office though.

 

[Loki882]

The television slate is part of the same franchise, and Jessica Jones & Peggy Carter lead their own shows. AOS is also largely driven by Daisy/Skye/Quake, and Marvel's Most Wanted is basically the new take on that Mockingbird show they were considering at one point. Hell, Melinda May beat quite a few characters to the punch in getting a Funko Pop figure.

Unfortunately, that same commitment hasn't translated to the films, which are seen my many more people. Women shouldn't have to "settle" for TV shows when the guys get BOTH films and TV. BTW, of the four Netflix shows, ONE is led by a woman.

 

[Shakel92]

I'm glad there will be a sequal for Ant-Man. It was a very underrated film that over performed, considering the production cost. It is easily a top 5 MCU movie.

 

[T"Challa]

Ithink the Captain Marvel move is mostly logistical tbh. Its disappointing whenever a movie youre looking forward to gets pushed back, but in this case i kinda get it. Keeping CM in November would have had Marvel releasing 4 movies in one calendar year. Thats probably stretching things too thin for them. Remember it took them almost a decade to go from 2 films to 3 films annually. Despite all their success, they're still a pretty small tight knit organization compared to other studios

We all know Hollywood is all about franchises. Ant Man is going to make 500 mill by the time its run is over and there is no way studio big wigs are going to wait more than 3 yrs to make a sequel. Its just the way s*** works (unless youre Pixar).One of Black Panther or CM had to be moved back and either way Marvel would come out looking racist or sexist, lol.

As much as i"m disappointed, its still just a 4 month pushback. And isnt WB planning on releasing a Batman movie in that November window anyway? Either way, this might end up being a blessing.

 

[Eddie]

More likely: Captain Marvel was bumped by Disney due to their decision to release a Disney live action fairytale film on the previous date.

 

[John Locke]

You could have moved it to March and also avoid the February stigma.

Flash is in March though. I agree Feburary isn't probably the best month for Black Panther but all the good months are taken for 2018 except November and even that month might have Batman.

 

[Flint Marko]

Ithink the Captain Marvel move is mostly logistical tbh. Its disappointing whenever a movie youre looking forward to gets pushed back, but in this case i kinda get it. Keeping CM in November would have had Marvel releasing 4 movies in one calendar year. Thats probably stretching things too thin for them. Remember it took them almost a decade to go from 2 films to 3 films annually. Despite all their success, they're still a pretty small tight knit organization compared to other studios

We all know Hollywood is all about franchises. Ant Man is going to make 500 mill by the time its run is over and there is no way studio big wigs are going to wait more than 3 yrs to make a sequel. Its just the way s*** works (unless youre Pixar).One of Black Panther or CM had to be moved back and either way Marvel would come out looking racist or sexist, lol.

As much as i"m disappointed, its still just a 4 month pushback. And isnt WB planning on releasing a Batman movie in that November window anyway? Either way, this might end up being a blessing.

The captain marvel thread could use your levelheaded-ness.