The Last Jedi (NO SPOILERS) The Last Jedi EARLY TWEET REACTION thread (NO SPOILERS)

[Agent Orange]

I actually lean more towards being a prequel apologist, even though I happily acknowledge their flaws.

But...isn't the fact that the prequels "didn't feel like Star Wars" like at the heart of most people's arguments against them? Wasn't a huge part of the backlash the fact that they felt too stiff and were lacking the likable characters and heart of the OT? Sure, there were millions of other complaints, but to me that was the heart of it and it's the reason why TFA is the movie it is.

Are you saying you think people are going to start looking at the prequels more favorably in light of TLJ?

Time makes fools of us all. My brother didn't like Force Awakens and his first comment walking out was "At least the prequels were George's and felt like Star Wars." I had to remind him of his prequel complaints. "Too glossy and shiny. It's not the used universe I know and love."

 

[MaceB]

This time it's different. The prequels at least feel like Star Wars, for all their flaws. This doesn't. This looks like it, but it's missing the heart.

Kind of a weird comment. The prequels felt nothing like the originals, neither in aesthetic nor in heart. This was the MOST common complaint of the prequels. They didn't fit in and the audience couldn't connect emotionally.
I suspect that you are a Star Wars literalist.... the fact that it changes some of your preconceived notions of what Star Wars canon "ought" to be makes you feel disappointed. Yes?
Are you saying TLJ is a bad Star Wars movie or a bad movie period?

 

[DeadStroke]

Sounds like a DC film (but with love from the critics)

I think I'm gonna love this movie.

 

[Grootster]

This movie sounds like it's going to be pretty divisive with the fanbase and probably the casual fans. Even the critics seems pretty divided. I wonder if they'll keep Rian Johnson for the spinoff trilogy, or if they'll find someone new.

 

[BatLobster]

Sounds like a DC film (but with love from the critics)

I think I'm gonna love this movie.

In other words, a Nolan Bat-film?

But actually, Scott Mendelsen did call it the TDK of Star Wars films...

 

[MaceB]

Even the critics seems pretty divided.

Rotten Tomato Consensus: Star Wars: The Last Jedi honors the saga's rich legacy while adding some surprising twists -- and delivering all the emotion-rich action fans could hope for.

Honestly, the critical reaction is very positive at this point. Some fans seem to be having a bad response... but that's much more likely due to fanboy expectations than actual film quality.

Remember where we've been. The prequels were one of the largest cinematic disasters of all history. We weathered that... we can weather this.

 

[Iceman]

This movie sounds like it's going to be pretty divisive with the fanbase and probably the casual fans. Even the critics seems pretty divided. I wonder if they'll keep Rian Johnson for the spinoff trilogy, or if they'll find someone new.

Looks that way with the fans for sure. The critics like it don't they?

 

[Tacit Ronin]

This movie sounds like it's going to be pretty divisive with the fanbase and probably the casual fans. Even the critics seems pretty divided. I wonder if they'll keep Rian Johnson for the spinoff trilogy, or if they'll find someone new.

The critics are eons from being divided.

 

[JOE]

This movie sounds like it's going to be pretty divisive with the fanbase and probably the casual fans. Even the critics seems pretty divided. I wonder if they'll keep Rian Johnson for the spinoff trilogy, or if they'll find someone new.

94% with an 8.2 average rating is divisive on which planet exactly?

 

[Tacit Ronin]

On the planet of video game reviews. Where anything less than a 9.4 is divisive.

 

[Mandon Knight]

Well my father was 32 when it came out so I'm sure he's older than you. I think what's relevant is that he was an adult when he experienced the original Star Wars much like the rest of us now.

Aah ok,

 

[Another_Fool]

The divisiveness that we're currently seeing reminds me less of the prequels and more of the reaction to TDKR where the critics are pretty glowing of the movie but the fanbase is divided.

 

[DeadStroke]

Whether people understand that it is or not, this is the best Star Wars film. It has it's shakes, but we never thought a Star Wars film could make us think like this. We are looking at a (less technically brilliant) Blade Runner 2049

https://twitter.com/Breaking_Banter/status/941039838253391872

 

[Webhead38]

I think critics is the crack fans will eventually have to get over. One breath they admonish them for not appreciating a piece of work they love, but then run to them as evidence of quality when the negativity hits from the fan base side.

Everyone has an opinion and the only one valid is the one you sleep with at night. So to each their own. Nobody has to love or hate this film, but clearly it's going to find both sides. Critics don't get to decide what a box office will do, the ticket buying public does.

I believe a consensus will begin to unfold as to the general public's interest once the receipts from the second and third weekend come in. The opening weekend is a lock for record breaking numbers. I see nothing changing that. The good will from TFA will insure that happens. Word of mouth will tell us the story from there.

It is interesting though to read of theaters that are quiet after this film ends. That's quite different from TFA. So how this plays will be interesting to watch given the huge character twists.

 

[boocherhix]

Wow, this is really starting to intrigue me. I'm excited to go & experience it Friday & see how I deal with what they give me.

 

[Agent Orange]

My theatre was dead quiet at the end of The Force Awakens and I saw a midnight showing. My crowd enjoyed it but there was a prevailing sense of "That's it?" as the credits hit. One guy groaned.

(I like The Force Awakens.)

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

This movie sounds like it's going to be pretty divisive with the fanbase and probably the casual fans. Even the critics seems pretty divided. I wonder if they'll keep Rian Johnson for the spinoff trilogy, or if they'll find someone new.

Are you just hiding under a rock, misinformed or just lying? Those are our choices since "Even the critics are divided" bears no resemblance to easily checked reality.

Another case of Internet Iconoclast Syndrome.

 

[pepper]

2 hours till my showing. HYPEEE. Thank god i'm going in completely spoiler free Please don't be disappointing especially because I thought TFA was mediocre and Rogue One was downright awful.

 

[boocherhix]

That's a lot of optimism for not liking the last 2 movies.

 

[Grootster]

Are you just hiding under a rock, misinformed or just lying? Those are our choices since "Even the critics are divided" bears no resemblance to easily checked reality.

Another case of Internet Iconoclast Syndrome.

A few pages back people were posting quite a few negative reviews.

 

[MaceB]

A few pages back people were posting quite a few negative reviews.

Mistakes happen. But now you know. So far, the critical reaction to this movie is not mixed. So far, the critical reaction to this movie is extremely positive. So far.

 

[titansupes]

Admittedly, part of me is kind of excited to see any type of passionate reaction, negative or positive, because I think both TFA and Rogue One are a bit on the painfully safe side...but I'm sorry you felt that way, and seeing that we generally tend to have similar tastes that's a bit troubling.

Can I at least ask this...can you see why it's getting mostly great reviews or is that baffling you?

Totally baffling. I haven't read the reviews yet, because I was avoiding spoilers, but this is, for me, a genuinely bad film.

 

[Galactus123]

This was ok. I really wanted to like this more. This wasn't a bad movie but I'm disappointed. There are so many things that I didn't like. I need to see this again.

 

[jmc]

I actually lean more towards being a prequel apologist, even though I happily acknowledge their flaws.

But...isn't the fact that the prequels "didn't feel like Star Wars" like at the heart of most people's arguments against them? Wasn't a huge part of the backlash the fact that they felt too stiff and were lacking the likable characters and heart of the OT? Sure, there were millions of other complaints, but to me that was the heart of it and it's the reason why TFA is the movie it is.

Are you saying you think people are going to start looking at the prequels more favorably in light of TLJ?

Let me put it this way. TLJ has all the right colours and design elements that make it look like Star Wars, but it doesn't feel like the film has any real interest in wanting to be a Star Wars film. I'd argue this is a very cynical perspective of the series. At the very least with the prequels, and believe me I'm no lover of that trilogy, the was a heart to those movies that was also present in original trilogy and TFA.

As far as I'm concerned people have every right to criticise the prequels for the execution, but upon viewing this movie I don't think people can claim Lucas was intentionally trying to harm his characters. At the very least Lucas tried to do something creatively ambitious. TLJ on top of being bland through has large chunks of the film fails to do anything worth while with its characters. The prequels at least tried to give some depth to its characters and its universe, tried to add to a rich backstory that was already explored in the original series. TLJ seems completely uninterested in doing any of that.

Do I think this film enhances the prequels? Maybe. I watched the prequels about 6 months ago to see how they hold up. The thing I took away from it is as ordinary as Eps 1 and 2 are (Ep 3 is actually pretty decent) there's a lot of good moments in each film in the same way there are good moments in the original series, TFA and even Rogue One. 'Star Wars' moments for lack of better phrasing. TLJ doesn't have anything like that. There's nothing much in this film that stick in my brain like the other movies. I don't pretend to be this uber Star Wars diehard fan, but I do love the series and have watched all the films more times than I can remember.

Part of it probably comes down to bad execution and a weak as piss story that serves as the backbone of the movie. I said in another thread last night that the film is simultaneously trying to move forward and backward at the same time, resulting in something that isn't doing either satisfactorily. I think a lot comes down to weak story and very poor character. I think both Rey and Luke are severally shortchanged in this movie and Snoke is just plain forgettable. I hope this explain it enough. If not, all I can say is you might understand where I'm coming from once you see it.

 

[Grootster]

I've heard other people say things along those lines.