Endgame 14,000,605 solutions(How should endgame have ended)? Spoilers

[Gold Samurai]

So dr strange said there was one timeline where they won

What different ways can you see for how the avengers could have won?

-I’d have some avengers protect Wanda while she crushed thanos

-giant ant man should have punched thanos ship at the beginning

- get the guantlet as far away as possible first then deal with thanos

-distance thanos or get him away from his weapon so he doesn’t destroy the van

- do what the avengers and guardians did in infinity war. Drop mantis from above to subdue thanos after he gets his helmet off

 

[writer0327]

There was no other way.

 

[Dark Raven]

Ant-Man could've shrunk Thanos so that he wouldn't be able to breathe regular-sized molecules.

Or he could've shrunk an object inside Thanos and then enlarged it, potentially decapitating him if it were Stormbreaker inside his neck.

The Avengers and Guardians nearly beat him on Titan using teamwork. If they did that again with more of them on earth, they should've been able to beat him. Thor should've been able to cut off his head, knowing that this time he needed to go for that. If enough people held Thanos down, Thor could've chopped off his body parts.

Couldn't Dr Strange turn him into a frog with his magic? What about all those other sorcerers?

 

[MovieSlave]

The Russo brothers recently mentioned that the real hero is the rat that turned on the quantum machine and freed Ant-Man. They were joking around saying that the 1 timeline were they win is the only one where the rat happened to walk across the control system.

 

[Gold Samurai]

Giant Ant man could also have kicked thanos miles away.

Thanos didn’t have the guantlet so he cant do any fancy tricks like in Infinity war

Another idea is the shrink the guantlet so that it would hard to find

Give the avengers time to defeat thanos army

 

[Dark Raven]

Ant-Man really seems like the one who had the most potential to beat Thanos or at least stop him.

There's this video though on the science of whether Ant-Man could expand inside of Thanos and kill him:



According to that, Ant-Man would get crushed instead.

But that doesn't mean he couldn't shrink something else in there. What about a remote-controlled Hulk Buster armour? Or other objects? Could he not even shrink Thanos's heart so that it can't support his body?

 

[Spider-Fan83]

failed attempt timeline #6,666,666
(not so much an alternate ending but an alternate scene)
Cheating Death-
after Hawkeye gets the Soul Stone, he then jumps back in time to the moment he and Natasha arrived, hands them the Stone and tells them to get out of there... stays behind to try to hold off Redskull/Spirit

it'd be interest to see what the consequences of that would be

 

[Gold Samurai]

They should have split the stones among the Avengers after everyone came back

Make it harder for Thanos to get them all in the battle. He doesn't have a gauntlet to put them off if they leave the electronic gauntlet buried

 

[MrWayne]

Hmmmm.... Thanos already had the gauntlet built by AOU which was in 2015 so I wonder how soon after 2014 did he do that.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Hmmmm.... Thanos already had the gauntlet built by AOU which was in 2015 so I wonder how soon after 2014 did he do that.

See... I think he must have had it forged very soon after the fall of Asgard. It would explain why no one came to help the Dwarves.

 

[Jordanstine]

Not accurate.

14,000,605 was NOT every possibility.

14,000,605 only represents the number of possibilities that Strange saw out of infinite possibilities.

One of the biggest problems when people ask this question is they cannot get passed the 1 in 14 million possibilities, as if they are too focused on that specific number that it makes everything linear.

It’s not.

Strange “ONLY” saw 14 million possibilities.

They overlook the basic concept that 14 million is only a speck of dirt compared to all the infinite possibilities that exist. There are much more than just 14 million possibilities out there, Strange was only able to see a little fraction, just 14 million out of practically infinite possibilities. So there could definitely be more than just 1 possibility. Who’s to say if Strange had looked at possibility #14,000,606 that that scenario would’ve also guaranteed success? So now you have 2 possibilities, etc., etc.

When you finally see that concept, the answers are much clearer.

Strange looking into the future is not him predicting every single detail that would happen. He’s not there hoping that Steve Rogers would have to shave his beard at exactly 5:44.03 pm on a Sunday on the 4th of June for everything he saw to work out, etc. so I doubt he ever saw the Rat as well. What Strange saw was simple, he saw 1 out of countless other successful possibilities he could’ve seen if he had looked longer, but that 1 possibility that he did see Thanos being defeated was that Iron Man was there.

Remember in the ship when Strange got abducted, before he looked into the future, he told Tony that he will never surrender the Eyes of Agamoto:

”If it comes to saving you, or the kid, or the Time Stone, I will not hesitate to let either of you die.”

You can then say that most of the 14 million possibilities that Strange looked at most likely involved himself not surrendering the stone. All that possibilities ended up with Thanos killing Iron Man in the process and every single one ending in failure with Thanos managing to still get the stone from Strange at the end of the day..

It wasn’t until Strange started looking at different possibilities like what if he had surrendered the stone to save a comrade that his visions of the future started lasting longer and longer until he finally saw that 1 possibility that Thanos was defeated because Iron Man had lived. From then on Strange knew that Tony had to live for at least 1 of those possibilities he saw can come to fruition. Strange had no idea that what he did would ultimately end up working, but one thing he knew for 100% certainty was that Tony had to survive to greatly increase the chances that the possibility of them winning may happen.

 

[herolee10]

If the Avengers had located Thanos at least a week earlier in the beginning of the film then they could have undone the snap without having to time travel or sacrificing Tony in the process.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

If the Avengers had located Thanos at least a week earlier in the beginning of the film then they could have undone the snap without having to time travel or sacrificing Tony in the process.

If they had located Thanos BEFORE he self destructed the stones he'd still have them to use to destroy the Avengers. And it's likely that he would have then come to the same conclusion 2014 Thanos came to after turning the team to dust, that the universe would never accept his "gift" and therefor he would remake it in his image as the past Thanos did at the start of the third act of the film.

 

[Iron_Stark]

Solution 14,000,606
Get all the heavy hitters to go after Thanos. AT THE SAME TIME.

Solution 14,000,607
Subdue Thanos like they did on Titan, lop his head off

Solution 14,000,608
Have Thor throw Stormbreaker like he did in IW.

I don't buy the "that was the only way" BS. ​

 

[Dark Raven]

I think Strange should've mentioned a few possibilities that could've worked involving different Avengers. Then you wouldn't know who was likely to die in Endgame, because one possibility could have been Cap, one could've been Thor, one Black Widow, one Hulk etc as well as Iron Man. It would've kept people guessing.

 

[MrWayne]

See... I think he must have had it forged very soon after the fall of Asgard. It would explain why no one came to help the Dwarves.

So this would be around TDW or Ragnarok?

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

So this would be around TDW or Ragnarok?

I think post the destruction of Asgard so yeah, Ragnarok. Could be even during Hela's time in control.

 

[DrCosmic]

Solution 14,000,606
Get all the heavy hitters to go after Thanos. AT THE SAME TIME.

Solution 14,000,607
Subdue Thanos like they did on Titan, lop his head off

Solution 14,000,608
Have Thor throw Stormbreaker like he did in IW.

I don't buy the "that was the only way" BS. ​

Like the previous poster said, this are the futures Strange saw. Likewise, they'd be limited to his choices before he gets dusted which means he's really just looking at all the things he could do while on Titan and the results of them. This was the only way Strange KNEW would work from his limited perspective.
Taking the gauntlet on Titan fails because no one has it in them to execute Thanos and no one has it in them to wield the stones to destroy them. He remains inevitable. Having the heavy hitters go after only Thanos means turning their backs on enemies that could destroy them. Not a great battle plan.

 

[metaphysician]

Also, don't forget that acting differently means Thanos *reacting* differently. And he's a cunning, extremely powerful foe. Any hypothetical "easy victory" plan has to account for this, and not assume that everything would go exactly the same.

 

[Zarex]

Also, don't forget that acting differently means Thanos *reacting* differently. And he's a cunning, extremely powerful foe. Any hypothetical "easy victory" plan has to account for this, and not assume that everything would go exactly the same.

Folks have to take that into consideration when they think about Tony handing the gauntlet off to CM or somebody using the time stone to undo Tony's death. You really want to give the giant purple space god a second bite of the apple?

 

[The_Manhunter]

I think post the destruction of Asgard so yeah, Ragnarok. Could be even during Hela's time in control.

My thought was that he forged it any time post-TDW during Loki's reign. Loki was very isolationist so it fits in my mind.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

I don't know if this would have been one of the 14,000,605...
(but just a thought I had while watching the movie)

when Thanos said he reduced the Stones down to atoms, I thought, maybe once they get Ant-man back and he tells them of the quantum realm, they use his tech to shrink down and tracking the cosmic signature of their power, gathers as many of the Atoms from each the Stones that they can, and Tony does his high techy pipline thing to fuse the Atoms into a new element (as a tribute to the scene in iron man 2) to power his Infinity suit giving him just enough power to undo the snap

I am no quantum physicist, so idk if the science{even movie logic science} supports this idea, but that is the first thing that came to my mind at the moment

although, I think that might have been a bite anticlimactic

 

[Gold Samurai]

Speaking of that. They didn't even need to go back in time in 3 different spots

It's still been five years. They have ant-man and stark to work on time travel logistics

Jump back in time before Thanos destroyed the stones but shortly after he's gone to his retirement farm.

He's weak at this point. The combined forces of War Machine, Hulk Buster and Captain Marvel should be able to restrain him. Thor will one again cut off Thano's arm

Thanos can't do a second snap and they've got all the stones. No one needs to die for the soul stone

Jump back five years into the future.

There would also be no issue with past Nebula ruining the time heist. She and past tony would be on Titan.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Speaking of that. They didn't even need to go back in time in 3 different spots

It's still been five years. They have ant-man and stark to work on time travel logistics

Jump back in time before Thanos destroyed the stones but shortly after he's gone to his retirement farm.

He's weak at this point. The combined forces of War Machine, Hulk Buster and Captain Marvel should be able to restrain him. Thor will one again cut off Thano's arm

Thanos can't do a second snap and they've got all the stones. No one needs to die for the soul stone

Jump back five years into the future.

There would also be no issue with past Nebula ruining the time heist. She and past tony would be on Titan.

I don't think this tracks at all. The point isn't weakened Thanos by himself is a much easier to beat opponent... It's the Stones. Using them together to accomplish something on the level of the snap or to self destruct themselves is a debilitating act to the gauntlet's user. But there is nothing against Thanos using them individually or in tandem combinations that still aren't channeling the energy required for an act like the snap. And let's also remember Thanos' condition when they found him was due to doing two insanely powerful acts in relative short succession in less than a month. The snap itself AND the destruction of the Stones. Before he used the gauntlet a second time he was nowhere near as hobbled as when the team showed up at the garden.

So, in your scenario Thanos actually isn't as weakened as he was when the team found him in AEG. This would be facing a Thanos with access to the Stones on top of that. He could have probably wiped the floor with them with a thought, or worse, an event such as the team coming for him before he destroys the stones may well have had the same effect on him as the Past Thanos in AEG. This might well "open his eyes" that there will always be those that are "ungrateful" for what he has given the universe and after easily defeating the team, uses the stones to repair himself and then, having zero opposition having killed the team, snaps again and does what Thanos in AEG claimed he would, tear the universe down to the last atom and rebuild it as he sees fit.

 

[NewYorkSpider]

I've always wondered if Thanos used the Time Stone to look at different futures like Dr. Strange did. He saw the Avengers would come for the stones. That's why he destroyed them?