Wonder Woman 1984 General Discussion and Speculation - Part 2

[UncleSam1776]

Well, the amount of fall could still be something the studio will take into account.

An extreme example (this won't happen): Imagine the second weekend of Wonder Woman falls below the second weekend of Tenec.

The comparison to TENET is dumb. Just because both movies were released during the pandemic doesn't mean they are in the same situation. TENET was released with 70% of US theaters open while WW84 was released with less than 30%. TENET wasn't on streaming, WW84 is on streaming.

 

[kguillou]

And that decision should be to axe Cleopatra ASAP, lol. The discourse over that movie is gonna be nothing but a nightmare for her over the next couple years, and she’ll be fighting an uphill battle for any kind of good reception with it, imo.

Or at least put it on the back burner a little while longer. Get Rogue Sqaudron done. Hopefully that will be a very well received film and then ride that goodwill and finish strong with WW3. Then after that, she can do vanity projects for as long as she wants.

 

[Kon]

The comparison to TENET is dumb. Just because both movies were released during the pandemic doesn't mean they are in the same situation. TENET was released with 70% of US theaters open while WW84 was released with less than 30%. TENET wasn't on streaming, WW84 is on streaming.

I've heard Wonder Woman has a bigger box office than Tenet in the first weekend.

 

[UncleSam1776]

I've heard Wonder Woman has a bigger box office than Tenet in the first weekend.

WW84 did have a better Fri-Sun number than TENET. I was just saying that the upcoming weekend drops shouldn't be compared to TENET because people can re-watch WW84 at home.

 

[jmc]

I complete and utter mess and a wasted opportunity. That's all i have to say about this film.

 

[Detective Conan]

'Wonder Woman 1984' Tops Box Office on Opening Weekend - Variety

 

[David Alexander]

I know most of you all hate Johns but a live action Grail turning the Amazons into Perademons would have lots of action. Forcing Diana to come back home would be interesting.

 

[BobJM]

I’d like an adaptation of Joe Kelly’s JLA story where the lasso of truth breaks because Diana cannot accept its answer. The world spins in to chaos when the truth no longer has meaning.

Maybe tie it to Greg Rucka’s Hiketeia where Diana is honor-bound to watch over a young girl after she incites the Ancient Greek ritual. It’s a story of Diana further facing truth & justice, but also the grim reality of fate (personified by The Fates themselves). There’s something about this girl’s case that she cannot accept.

Diana, to fix this conundrum, seeks the guidance of her mother & Themiscrya and so she needs Cheetah’s help since she can no longer find the island herself. Cheetah, in the 40 years since WW84, has become obsessed with the occult and especially Amazonian history so she can try to undo her curse. Diana has been keeping tabs on her old friend, guilt-ridden by how far gone she is, and offers Cheetah the chance to bathe in the lights of the Purple Ray—believing that it’ll cure her of the enchantment.

But we later find out that Cheetah is working with Veronica Cale, who seeks Paradise Island to raid its resources & profit from its wonders. Cale would have been previously introduced in the film as an ally to the modern-day Wonder Woman (perhaps she updates her invisible jet so that it’s user-friendly?)

Cale in actuality is Paula von Gunther, revealed in Act 3. She was a WWII nurse shipwrecked and washed upon Themiscrya’s shores while Diana was already in man’s world. Queen Hippolyta, inspired by her daughter, helps Paula and heals her under the Purple Ray before sending her back to man’s world. The Purple Ray gave Paula Amazonian strength & longer life, but she always resented the queen for casting her out and “cursing” her to a plain existence back in man’s world. So she builds herself into Veronica Cale and makes an empire for decades before construing a plot to have her revenge on Hippolyta and the Amazons.

Of course, one such part of Cale/Gunther’s plot was the framing of the innocent supplicant under Diana’s care—perhaps she was brainwashed by Doctor Psycho, which thus introduces the conundrum (and sets Diana on the path back to Themiscrya for the villains to follow). Yes, the actions were done by the girl but they were not her own. She’s guilty and innocent at the same time.

Diana learns that there are many truths in this world—and we must open our minds and our hearts to accept them all as one universal truth. Love lol or wonder, or some such.

The end of the film would be Veronica Cale convincing military partners that the source of the global chaos is from emitting from Themiscrya, igniting a war between man & Amazon. In the midst of battle, Diana is able to share her truths/lessons with the sparring parties, & negotiates peace. In the end, Themiscrya too learns there are many truths—and man is not all bad—and Diana is installed as their ambassador in the United Nations, finally opening their borders to man’s world after millennia of isolation.

 

[Comicbookguy339]

I know most of you all hate Johns but a live action Grail turning the Amazons into Perademons would have lots of action. Forcing Diana to come back home would be interesting.

Not sure about the Parademons part but yes to Grail.

 

[dhandler01]

Considering the racism complaints WW84 is getting, utilizing the Bana Amazons may not be...the most wise decision. At least how they are often depicted when they aren't being used by almost anyone other than Phil Jimenez. The "darker skinned Amazons are the villainous, savage man-hating ones" thing would definitely need to be tweaked.

As a final installment of a trilogy that hasn't used the Amazons too much, it may be better to focus just on the main Amazons in a conflict with Circe. Hopefully with Barbara returning as a wild card, so we can have two female villains instead of a male one with a female flunky (Ares and Dr. Poison; Max and Cheetah).

Yeah it would need to be tweaked to be sure. The racist accusations about this film are nonsense I may not like the film much but I never once thought there was any racial undertones. I admit I am Jewish so technically I am biased but I am keenly aware of the issues with the IDF and the Israeli conflicts with the Palestinians and it just never struck me that way. Gal being in the Israeli Military at one point sounds like people looking for a reason to be outraged.

 

[dhandler01]

You mean the thing everyone said was true was actually true? SHOCKING!

The handwringing over WB putting all of their 2021 slate on Max and how that meant 2022 was gonna be the same way was way overblown and illogical.

 

[dhandler01]

I think despite Patty's recent shade at the studio, I believe she has every intention of continuing this unless something goes horribly wrong with her relationship with WB in the next two years. I dont see WB ripping this from her hands. But with Rogue Squadron and Cleopatra....PAtty's going to have make some decisions soon because waiting until 2024-25 for a third sequel is way too long.

I am starting to buy into the belief that Cleopatra won't happen or will get pushed to a much later date. If people are finding racism in Wonder Woman the Cleopatra hate will be off the charts. Unfair mind you but still...

 

[dhandler01]

And that decision should be to axe Cleopatra ASAP, lol. The discourse over that movie is gonna be nothing but a nightmare for her over the next couple years, and she’ll be fighting an uphill battle for any kind of good reception with it, imo.

Which is just unfortunate imho.

 

[Captain Tired]

Fortunately, it's not the kinda movie that calls for sequelisation. In which case, she can make the kinda Cleopatra movie she wants to make and say **** the critics. Time has the final say on any movie, not hack critics.

 

[Green Goblin]

I'm not really that familiar with Wonder Woman but was Hades, the Greek God of the Underworld ever an antagonist of Wonder Woman?

I know the Greek Gods are supposed to be dead but as others have said I think that could be retconned for certain characters. I mean how can you kill the God Of Death?

 

[dhandler01]

Fortunately, it's not the kinda movie that calls for sequelisation. In which case, she can make the kinda Cleopatra movie she wants to make and say **** the critics. Time has the final say on any movie, not them.

No but if fans agree with the critics then it is troubling. If WW84 had been better received I think she can make that film with little issue but now flickchick and others are correct.

As for other storylines adapting Azzarellos run fro the New 52 (minus the Ares part) could be a lot of fun. You can bring the Gods back that way and have them vying for the throne of Olympus since Zeus is dead as is Ares. That was a fun run to read and it was a great use of a lot of the Gods.

 

[dhandler01]

I'm not really that familiar with Wonder Woman but was Hades, the Greek God of the Underworld ever an antagonist of Wonder Woman?

I know the Greek Gods are supposed to be dead but as others have said I think that could be retconned for certain characters. I mean how can you kill the God Of Death?

He shows up in Azz's run that I referenced. He is a weird dude with a candelabra as a head IIRC.

 

[Comicbookguy339]

If Patty & co were smart they'd introduce Donna Troy so she could take up the mantle. Marvel is doing that right now, introducing legacy characters.

 

[Gothamsknight]

I see that they made sure to let it be known that it will be a normal traditional theatrical release

And I truly hope they stick to that deal.

As for the film itself, I do hope they go more epic with the 3rd film. It's clear I'm in the few that enjoyed WW1984, but I do know that a lot of people didn't and they really need to give something truly epic for a third film. And heartfelt too, of course.

 

[Gothamsknight]

I see that they made sure to let it be known that it will be a normal traditional theatrical release

And I truly hope they stick to that deal.

As for the film itself, I do hope they go more epic with the 3rd film. It's clear I'm in the few that enjoyed WW1984, but I do know that a lot of people didn't and they really need to give something truly epic for a third film. And heartfelt too, of course.

 

[DlAMONDZ]

Patty hasn't tweeted or retweeted anything about this news

Same thing happened with WW84 iirc, but back then she was negotiating for more money..

 

[The Caped Knight]

No surprise their, it was only a matter of time. I’m just amazed at how DC Comics flagship character Superman has yet to have a proper sequel. And both Batman and Wonder Woman are getting films left and right.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I am glad Patty is coming back myself

 

[writer0327]

No surprise their, it was only a matter of time. I’m just amazed at how DC Comics flagship character Superman has yet to have a proper sequel. And both Batman and Wonder Woman are getting films left and right.

That's the whole DCEU problem.

 

[Moncton]

No surprise their, it was only a matter of time. I’m just amazed at how DC Comics flagship character Superman has yet to have a proper sequel. And both Batman and Wonder Woman are getting films left and right.

We have had 4 films with Superman in them in the past 14 years- none of them set the box office on fire. Of course some of that can be attributed to the films, but I don't think the character is a big draw anymore.