Ridin’ with Biden

The big difference is we are no longer separating kids from family, which is a good thing. But even Trump stopped doing that after all the anger. But that wasn't what the rally cry was. People were upset with the images of kids in cages. Something Obama's administration also did and we are now don't again. Moreover, this is happening while Biden's administration allows ICE to continue it reign of ****ing terror. When he said he would stop deportations. Something he could have done through other means then he already tried.

The bombings are no different, and haven't been as far back as I have looked it up, which is Reagan. Republicans are less vocal about it overall no matter who the president is, because they support it pretty much outright.
WRT stopping deportations, how would he have done that? My understanding is that a judge set aside his EO on that? Personally, I would have worked back channels and put a lot of pressure on ICE officials to knock that S*** off, but I don't know that his hasn't happened. Start a new agency, fund them, and pull money from ICE, but that would take time.
 
Congratulations for completely ignoring both of my previous posts! I fear this may be a futile exercise, but alas, I am too masochistic to shy away from a challenge such as this!
If you want to speak to me, speak to me. If not, don't. Whining about your other post mean nothing to me. I am responding ot the post I quoted.

As I clearly stated above, I am NOT advocating military intervention. I am not in fact, advocating any particular policy. I am not so arrogant as to assume that I can prescribe the correct course of action to deal with highly complex foreign policy situations like this!

I fear you may be under the misapprehension that I am some kind of neoconservative or liberal hawk, when the truth is quite different.
No, you are advocating that others don't know of what they speak when they condemn any military action. I fundamentally disagree with this. Especially as in this particular situation I am speaking specifically about an illegal action in a sovereign nation, that the current press secretary said under Trump was illegal and should not be done.

Speaking about older posts, do you perhaps have post from Trump's bombings and military action explaining that those complaining about them might not know about what they speak?

True, although only focusing on the actions of one's own country won't allow one to fully grasp the big picture of any particular event or crisis.

I fully agree that any responsible citizen has a duty to hold their government accountable. however. That is a healthy and necessary part of democracy.
I am not doing that, nor do most leftist. Especially as the majority of leftist issue with intervention is based in our actions against other nations who pose us literally no thread.

Why it comes back to our actions, is that ours are the only ones we are responsible for, that we control.

Israel and Saudi Arabia are both certainly guilty of serious human rights abuses, and I can assure you that I hold no candle for either Bibi or MBS. However, I fail to see how this is relevant in this particular discussion. You seem to be changing the goalposts here a little. First you said that Iran was in Syria to fight ISIS. Then I responded by pointing out that this was incorrect. Now, you bring up American support for other countries that also abuse human rights to show why the decision to bomb was incorrect, when that was never my argument in the first place.
It is relevant because you spoke on looking at it from other nations perspectives. Other peoples. If that is what you want to discuss, then we should consider the hypocrisy of how we don't consider that when doing business with those nations.

Let's be clear. I was specifically talking about the base that was bombed, on the border of a country, where it's primary use is fighting ISIS. Blaming a militia group that Iran claimed they had no responsibility for to bomb a base in a sovereign nation is illegal and not something we should not do. International law says so. If Syria wants to bomb them, that is up to them. We are neither Syria or Iran. We are the United States, and thus are not allowed to do that, outside of very specific reasons, none of which were met here.
 
WRT stopping deportations, how would he have done that? My understanding is that a judge set aside his EO on that? Personally, I would have worked back channels and put a lot of pressure on ICE officials to knock that S*** off, but I don't know that his hasn't happened. Start a new agency, fund them, and pull money from ICE, but that would take time.
Mass amnesty. Also from what I understand the issue with the EO was the EO itself. How it was written or something to do with how it interacts with the previous order.

I agree ICE should be abolished, but like with the police, too many Dems seem perfectly fine with that criminal organization that the people are paying for.
 
If you want to speak to me, speak to me. If not, don't. Whining about your other post mean nothing to me. I am responding ot the post I quoted.

I am not whining. I am expressing exasperation that you are either unable or unwilling to acknowledge the fact that I clearly stated that I am not advocating military intervention.

No, you are advocating that others don't know of what they speak when they condemn any military action.

Well, I am criticizing inaccurate statements such as "Biden bombed Syria", as the people who were actually bombed were foreign fighters who cannot reasonably be described as representing the nation of Syria.

But I am certainly not saying that everyone who opposes military action doesn't know what they're talking about, since that clearly isn't the case.

Speaking about older posts, do you perhaps have post from Trump's bombings and military action explaining that those complaining about them might not know about what they speak?

IIRC, I did not comment on here after the Soleimani killing.

It is relevant because you spoke on looking at it from other nations perspectives. Other peoples. If that is what you want to discuss, then we should consider the hypocrisy of how we don't consider that when doing business with those nations.

It's perfectly legitimate to point out the hypocrisy of US foreign policy. However, it does rather seem as though you are engaging in cynical whataboutism here.

You keep making arguments against the decision to bomb, when I never supported the attack in the first place.

Let's be clear. I was specifically talking about the base that was bombed, on the border of a country, where it's primary use is fighting ISIS.

And let's be clear: the primary reason those fighters are in Syria in the first place is to prop up Assad. As I already noted above, Iranian support for Assad long predates the arrival of ISIS in Syria.
 
I am not whining. I am expressing exasperation that you are either unable or unwilling to acknowledge the fact that I clearly stated that I am not advocating military intervention.



Well, I am criticizing inaccurate statements such as "Biden bombed Syria", as the people who were actually bombed were foreign fighters who cannot reasonably be described as representing the nation of Syria.

But I am certainly not saying that everyone who opposes military action doesn't know what they're talking about, since that clearly isn't the case.



IIRC, I did not comment on here after the Soleimani killing.



It's perfectly legitimate to point out the hypocrisy of US foreign policy. However, it does rather seem as though you are engaging in cynical whataboutism here.

You keep making arguments against the decision to bomb, when I never supported the attack in the first place.



And let's be clear: the primary reason those fighters are in Syria in the first place is to prop up Assad. As I already noted above, Iranian support for Assad long predates the arrival of ISIS in Syria.
A lot of selective quoting here, ignoring exactly the issue with the points you selectively quoted. But one question. Why Iran is in Syria has what to do with the US involvement that is not of the US own making? Why is the US in Syria?

Yeah, the US is a big part of the destabilizing in Syria. A country that is sovereign and thus bombing another nation in is illegal. You can keep talking about leftist not understanding "other perspectives" but you are ignoring that what the US did is illegal and thus all other such commentaries on it really don't matter. Because it is illegal, even if you invoke the name of Assad.

Don't believe me? Ask Biden's own press secretary.

 
Well, officially. I don't trust ICE and CBP. ****ing stormtroopers....
I think that's the important part to take away from this. There is nuance to all of this. The Biden administration IS an improvement. They've gotten away from the SS techniques of the Miller inspired tactics of the Trump administration.

But that doesn't take away from the DHS, CBP, and ICE being fundamentally rotten organizations. "But it's better than the Trump administration" cannot be our standard.
 
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I think that's the important part to take away from this. There is nuance to all of this. The Biden administration IS an improvement. They've gotten away from the SS tactics of the Miller inspired tactics of the Trump administration.

But that doesn't take away from the DHS, CBP, and ICE being fundamentally rotten organizations. "But it's better than the Trump administration" cannot be our standard.
Yeah, you can't spend an entire administration going back to a time when those things were already horrible. Then it just becomes a game of tennis. Because the nothing actually gets fixed.
 
Because it's not. They attacked Iranian supported militias in retaliation to same militias attacking them. It was a small attack anyway.
You don't know what a sovereign state is, do you?

Also your excuse is, "it was a small attack". The same theoretically applies to any militias attack against us, so why would we respond if it doesn't really matter?
 
You don't know what a sovereign state is, do you?

Also your excuse is, "it was a small attack". The same theoretically applies to any militias attack against us, so why would we respond if it doesn't really matter?

You do realize that if any US president allows the enemy attack US troops without retaliation, it would be political suicide?

Seriously, this is a nothing issue outside the US.
 
What is whataboutism?
You don't know what a sovereign country is. You don't understand international law and are having this conversation without realizing what you just wrote applies to you, not me. You think the US is allowed to attack a different country, inside a third country if they feel like it? Are you serious?
 

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