DyeLorean
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We could have gotten a lousy Terminator rip-off instead.
That's not what I'm saying here. If you are even going to think about approaching Spider-Totems and Spider-Deities from the comics, you don't make Ezekiel your villain in a movie. You make Morlun the villain. It would need to be a completely different movie from the top down. Not same anything.
I agree with @TheVileOne, I mean, look, this movie was likely going to blow chunks no matter what because the suits at Sony in charge of this universe dont know wtf they're doing. HOWEVER, a good IDEA or premise for this movie could and should have been a Terminator like story where this unstoppable force (Morlun) was after these Spider-powered indivduals: Madame Web, Jessica Carpenter etc, to wipe them out and it could have been this cool lean action thriller where these cool Spider characters have to band together to survive this unstoppable force and protect each other. And you know what...something tells me this movie was that in some incarnation pre rewrites and reshoots. But somewhere along the way, someone got cold feet on what they were making and completely wrote this movie off and we got...this.
Yeah I don't get it either... They could've built a movie series around a non-Peter Spider-Man like Miguel. They could've built a universe with a character that isn't named Spider-Man as his stand-in, such as Silk. They could've built a universe around a different group of characters coming together, like the Outlaws. I do not understand why they rejected all 3 of those options in favor of whatever this is...I have a suspicion Venom1988 is right, but it makes this live-action Spider-Man Universe that much goofier considering they are trying to build a shared universe about Spider-Man characters when they can't utilize or reference Spider-Man at all.
Like what are they building and trying to do here with this franchise? Especially if they can't reference or mention Spider-Man? The villains are going to band together to fight Arachnid Male?
This movie basically is a Terminator rip-off. Ezekiel here is supposed to be an unstoppable force like the Terminator and the girls are supposed to band together with Cassandra and survive. That IS the movie we got. It is just a very incompetent version of that premiseI agree with @TheVileOne, I mean, look, this movie was likely going to blow chunks no matter what because the suits at Sony in charge of this universe dont know wtf they're doing. HOWEVER, a good IDEA or premise for this movie could and should have been a Terminator like story where this unstoppable force (Morlun) was after these Spider-powered indivduals: Madame Web, Jessica Carpenter etc, to wipe them out and it could have been this cool lean action thriller where these cool Spider characters have to band together to survive this unstoppable force and protect each other. And you know what...something tells me this movie was that in some incarnation pre rewrites and reshoots. But somewhere along the way, someone got cold feet on what they were making and completely wrote this movie off and we got...this.
They aren't going to. Doing these movies are the only way for them to keep their grasp on the Spider-Man rights.
I mean there's definitely a way forward for Sony with regards to Spider-Man live action movies if they wanted to. But they would need to hire some people who are actually knowledgeable about the IP and some people with a proven trackrecord of good scripts and good directing.Sony just needs to scrap this "shared" Spider-Man Universe crap and just let Marvel/Disney handle the live action Spider-Man movies and park a dump truck full of money in front of Tom Holland's house to get him to do another trilogy. Stop trying to compete with Marvel. Its not going to happen.
I think earlier versions had Venom popping up in the finale cause he sees Spider-Man challenge the others at the Statue of Liberty on TV and then shows up. My guess is he would at first have attacked Spider-Man and then ultimately helped.As brief as his time in the MCU was, I feel Venom 3 could try to capitalize on Brock briefly being in that other universe. I don't know how they'd do that, but at this point, the cat is out of the bag that he was sent to another, more successful film universe that Sony could easily milk in its marketing.
Why Venom wasn't recruited as the sixth villain in No Way Home to make it a proper Sinister Six, I'll never know.
My theory is because Sony wanted to build to their own Sinister Six and resurrect that project under their own cinematic universe. Not sure if that's still the plan, but if so, Venom, Morbius, Vulture and Kraven being part of it doesn't exactly make up for an interesting line-up so far.Why Venom wasn't recruited as the sixth villain in No Way Home to make it a proper Sinister Six, I'll never know.
I think earlier versions had Venom popping up in the finale cause he sees Spider-Man challenge the others at the Statue of Liberty on TV and then shows up. My guess is he would at first have attacked Spider-Man and then ultimately helped.
These are both correct. They had previous verions of the script that utilized Venom more but it seems he was going to be spending most of the movie trying to get from Mexico to NY and would have finally shown up at the Statue of Liberty at the end.My theory is because Sony wanted to build to their own Sinister Six and resurrect that project under their own cinematic universe. Not sure if that's still the plan, but if so, Venom, Morbius, Vulture and Kraven being part of it doesn't exactly make up for an interesting line-up so far.
It still could, but also might be made with a male audience in mind like Silk is now. As you say this, it's been ages since we heard anything about that Olivia Wilde directed Spider-Woman movieA Spider-Woman won’t happen anymore, if under Sony. Judging by them pulling the plug on Silk and reworking it after Madame Web bombed
At a time where 90% of superhero films are flopping really hard, including far more profitable franchises and films than Venom, I'll be shocked if it does anything near what the second film did worldwide. I don't necessarily expect it to flop, because these films are relatively cheap to make, but I don't see it having many chances to not at least take a dive.Venom 3 won't flop. At worst I see it doing about what Venom 2 did. Which is fine for it. Kraven I see doing better than Madame Web but worse than Morbius
Difference is though that is now on its 3rd film and thus has its audience established in a way Blue Beetle and crap wasn't.At a time where 90% of superhero films are flopping really hard, including far more profitable franchises and films than Venom, I'll be shocked if it does anything near what the second film did worldwide. I don't necessarily expect it to flop, because these films are relatively cheap to make, but I don't see it having many chances to not at least take a dive.
I understand that, hence why I don't necessarily think it's going to flop, and if it was a conversation that we were having last year I wouldn't object with that, but 2023 happened and it changed everything.Difference is though that is now on its 3rd film and thus has its audience established in a way Blue Beetle and crap wasn't.