I agree with Boy Scout....
Its an interesting time to be a comic book fan. Back in 2008 w/ Nolan Batman, DC was the king of the mountain. Those Nolan films showed how great DC could be if there was a great direction and story of the characters. So I remember lurking here back in the day and seeing so much massive arguments of DC vs. Marvel, and the mods were cracking down on the debates, banning people left and right....
Well, then Zack Snyder happened. Suddenly, it was almost a peaceful rejoice of the two fan boy bases. The Marvel guys said 'see, I told you', and the DC guys said 'well, DC let us down..'.
I was one of those DC guys I always felt DC had the two biggest names in the comic book world - Batman & Superman. I felt Nolan's Batman got it right and gave us three epic films. But then as soon as Nolan left, it became apparent, Nolan was the single reason for the success. We now have other directors attempt DC movies and wow, as a hardcore DC guy, I'm more frustrated at DC than anyone.
As I was growing up, I would never thought I would see the day where a Marvel 'Ant-Man' movie would be more entertaining, more well made than a Batman vs. Superman film. That single statistic alone baffles me. I don't understand how WB could fail so hard. Even as a DC fan, I will openly admit that any film Marvel puts out there will be better than any DC film now or being made. DC had its three Batman films since 2005, and its done. I mean, its over. DC might even be responsible for the superhero bubble to burst because they are completely obsessed with quantity over quality and its painfully obvious.
When you watch a Marvel movie, you think "wow, they really made a great entertaining movie". When you watch a DC film, you think "oh, the studio put this in there for this reason....oh, the studio is setting up a sequel with this thing.....oh, this is a reshoot because the studio was worried about the movie". Crap like that. Its frustrating. I can not leave my brain at the door when watching a DC movie because I'm so invested into the characters I grew up on. To casually say "oh well, the MARTHA scene wasnt good, but OH WELL!!!" , I cant do that. Instead, I think "these are grown adults, multi millionares, professionals who have been involved with film for a long time - how on Earth could they POSSIBLY think that Martha scene would be a good idea???"
I only write this post because I know Wonder Woman will most likely be a complete mess just like Man of Steel, just like Batman vs. Superman, and just like Suicide Squad. There is no hope left anymore. I now turn to Marvel films to get my comic book movie fix, because I know they will take their time, understand and respect the source material, and give the casual fans and the hardcore fans a very entertaining film.
I can't believe I'm saying this, but if Wonder Woman sucks, I'm done with DC. I'm not seeing Justice League at the theater, I'll wait to rent it. If we want DC to change their ways, we have to start by not giving them our money. I'm glad their attempting to turn these icons into full length feature films, but the careless way they are doing it is not respecting the fans or the source material. Its insulting....
You have Guardians 2 which will prolly be good, Spider-Man Homecoming will prolly be interesting, and Thor 3 which could be the best out of the bunch.....Three Marvel films, I can count on at least one that will be entertaining and great. DC is batting 0/3 for me. I have NO guarantee that an upcoming DC movie will be good.
There are rumors that Affleck was considering leaving The Batman, another DC film had a director bail bc of WB non-sense, rumors of Justice League being a mess bc Studio is fighting with Zack Snyder, and now rumor of Wonder Woman being a complete mess..... This is what happens when you are trying to catch up with Marvel. This is what happens when you have no direction, but you just look at the money Marvel made and say 'I want that' rather than coming up with a plan of your own.
I wish I could 'leave my brain at the door' and enjoy DC movies, but I can't. Marvel set a very, very high bar, and I really did expect DC to exceed that bar, but they didn't even attempt. Just a quick cash grab. I am glad there are some ppl out there that enjoy Batman vs. Superman, my only response is that I will believe you are of the younger generation, someone who hasn't seen many films in their life time, someone who doesn't understand character motivations, character arcs, plot points, tone of a film, pacing and editing of a film. But hey, good for you ! I wish I was in your shoes. Instead, I can't help but hate certain scenes such as "Martha, thats my mother's name too, lets be best friends, wait wait, I'll go save your mother right now to prove our friendship is REAL". I was embarrassed for that film. I was embarrassed that there are professional filmmakers who think that was a good idea, it just exposes they are so out of touch with their craft and their source material, that they should all be fired.
I'm done ranting, read Boy Scout's post and thought I'd chime in.
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