Democratic Primary 2020

[Lily Adler]

We need Biden in the Oval Office so we can start reversing the Trump damage first. Especially with how Trump gutted the CDC and removed the pandemic response team.

Let's be honest some of the damage Trump has done is irreversible and with Moscow Mitch in the Senate all we can hope for is a slowing of the bleeding and now we have an economic depression on the horizon where we need a strong leader and I can't say with confidence that Biden is it. Neither is Trump.

I'm hoping he will have a strong cabinet that will help.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Yes, Trump caused damage that needs to be fixed, but why does that require reverting to the status quo of 2016? 2016's status quo wasn't working. A large swath of Trump's base is made up of people that likely wouldn't vote Democrat anyway, and, you know, Nazis, but he was able to play on disenfranchisement that was there in order to win people over. Made worse by the fact he was up against a woman who embodied the establishment that a lot of people resented for these issues. Simply turning the clock back and not fixing the actual problems facing people in their day to day lives that causes that disenfranchisement is tempting fate.

4 years of Biden is going to make Kushner or Ivanka 2024 a possibility, or worse yet some of those actually cunning Republicans. It legit scares me.

 

[mclay18]

Yes, Trump caused damage that needs to be fixed, but why does that require reverting to the status quo of 2016?

That's not what I said. The pressure will be on Biden to do something regarding M4A and climate change if he wins the election. Sanders will keep pressing him on it.

On a lighter note, Trump is losing his freaking mind over Bernie conceding. That's a good sign.

 

[Detective Conan]

 

[DarthSkywalker]

That's not what I said. The pressure will be on Biden to do something regarding M4A and climate change if he wins the election. Sanders will keep pressing him on it.

On a lighter note, Trump is losing his freaking mind over Bernie conceding. That's a good sign.

Oh, so it's all still on Bernie, but he doesn't get to be president. Good to know...

Trump is not freaking out. Trump is doing exactly what he did in 2016. Setting up his campaign strategy. That the Democratic party is dishonest, and every bit as slimy as he is. And guess what, ***the party is proving him right***.

 

[Detective Conan]

On a lighter note, Trump is losing his freaking mind over Bernie conceding. That's a good sign.

I legit wonder if Trump thinks he stood a better chance of defeating Bernie than Biden because it really feels to me that he wanted Bernie to be the nominee over Biden.

 

[Snow Queen]

4 years of Biden is going to make Kushner or Ivanka 2024 a possibility, or worse yet some of those actually cunning Republicans. It legit scares me.

And that's what worries me. The issues facing people need to be substantially addressed, or that opening will be taken advantage of. We have seen it in the last election and if they choose to continue to ignore those issues, I'm very worried we will see it again.

That's not what I said. The pressure will be on Biden to do something regarding M4A and climate change if he wins the election. Sanders will keep pressing him on it.

On a lighter note, Trump is losing his freaking mind over Bernie conceding. That's a good sign.

Your response was done while highlighting someone else commenting that returning to 2016 was not encouraging. I'm not sure what your point had to do with that if you weren't saying that returning to that was necessary in response to what Trump has done.

Trump will use Bernie conceding to attempt to drive a wedge between those who would vote for him and the Democratic establishment that's opposed that twice. It's an easy way to try and divide up those who won't vote for him. Unfortunately, I don't expect Biden or the DNC to do anything to counter this narrative or to actually make substantial policy decisions that would bridge any divide. That would require making moves unpopular with their donors.

 

[Lily Adler]

That's not what I said. The pressure will be on Biden to do something regarding M4A and climate change if he wins the election. Sanders will keep pressing him on it.

On a lighter note, Trump is losing his freaking mind over Bernie conceding. That's a good sign.

Well good then. Let us pressure him. And keep pressuring him until he does it and not go on MSNBC or CNN calling it a freaking pipe dream. If he wants Progressive's votes, he has to embrace some of their policies rather than attacking them and silencing the support for them by telling Progressives to shut up and fall in line or Trump will win. Sanders alone isn't enough. We need Warren, AOC, Khanna, Tlaib, all of us to push him to do it.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

AYour response was done while highlighting someone else commenting that returning to 2016 was not encouraging. I'm not sure what your point had to do with that if you weren't saying that returning to that was necessary in response to what Trump has done.

Trump will use Bernie conceding to attempt to drive a wedge between those who would vote for him and the Democratic establishment that's opposed that twice. It's an easy way to try and divide up those who won't vote for him. Unfortunately, I don't expect Biden or the DNC to do anything to counter this narrative or to actually make substantial policy decisions that would bridge any divide. That would require making moves unpopular with their donors.

The same people who said they might have to sit out of 2020 or even vote for Trump so they can get a proper candidate in 2024, are now like, "It's do our die! Biden or bust! We can't survive another 4 years of Trump!"

 

[Lily Adler]

4 years of Biden is going to make Kushner or Ivanka 2024 a possibility, or worse yet some of those actually cunning Republicans. It legit scares me.

My greatest fear and it will be realized if we really do go back to "normal". Trump will have inspired a whole new generation of conservatives who think his way is best or more effective than the old guard. We may be looking at some mini Trumps in the future.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Well good then. Let us pressure him. And keep pressuring him until he does it and not go on MSNBC or CNN calling it a freaking pipe dream. If he wants Progressive's votes, he has to embrace some of their policies rather than attacking them and silencing the support for them by telling Progressives to shut up and fall in line or Trump will win. Sanders alone isn't enough. We need Warren, AOC, Khanna, Tlaib, all of us to push him to do it.

Yeah right Loca. You will take what this Biden gives you and you will like it, because it is your duty to vote for him. Well, him or the other Biden.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

My greatest fear and it will be realized if we really do go back to "normal". Trump will have inspired a whole new generation of conservatives who think his way is best or more effective than the old guard. We may be looking at some mini Trumps in the future.

Exactly. Proving Trump right is a good idea, in what world? Well probably the one that is being consumed by a virus and the sun...

Those propping Biden up are the ones who make it hard to vote for him. Well them and Biden. I know you'll do it Loca. I know I'll do it. I know if Snow Queen didn't live on moose meat, poutine and maple syrup, she'd vote for him. But we can also see exactly how this can go wrong, because we feel it ourselves.

 

[kvz5]

I legit wonder if Trump thinks he stood a better chance of defeating Bernie than Biden because it really feels to me that he wanted Bernie to be the nominee over Biden.

IMO Trump would've easily won over Bernie. I can't say for sure that Biden will win over Trump but I do feel it'll be a bit closer.

 

[Reaver027]

Here is your timeline for a chance of progressive change in the US

Biden loses: 4 years
Biden wins and only wants one term: 4 years
Biden wins but loses reelection: 8 - 12 years
Biden wins and wins reelection: 12 - 16 years

You pretty much have to hope for Biden to win and him not wanting a second term (lets not kid ourself he will want a second term once he is in office).

Good luck have fun.

 

[Snow Queen]

Well good then. Let us pressure him. And keep pressuring him until he does it and not go on MSNBC or CNN calling it a freaking pipe dream. If he wants Progressive's votes, he has to embrace some of their policies rather than attacking them and silencing the support for them by telling Progressives to shut up and fall in line or Trump will win. Sanders alone isn't enough. We need Warren, AOC, Khanna, Tlaib, all of us to push him to do it.

He also needs to actually be prepared to handle questions about his past decisions that run counter to those ideas. Take, for example, when asked about deportations by an immigration activist a few months back. He was asked if he'd end that, and he told the man to vote for Trump. He can't do that. It's bad enough in a primary, but if he goes to the general telling people who ask him real questions to go vote for his opponent... well he really just can't do that.

 

[mclay18]

Trump will use Bernie conceding to attempt to drive a wedge between those who would vote for him and the Democratic establishment that's opposed that twice. It's an easy way to try and divide up those who won't vote for him. Unfortunately, I don't expect Biden or the DNC to do anything to counter this narrative or to actually make substantial policy decisions that would bridge any divide. That would require making moves unpopular with their donors.

That so-called 'establishment' likes Biden because he had Obama's back for eight years during his presidency -- and a big portion of them are black voters. When you have a democratic socialist like Bernie who wasn't aligned with Obama, butted heads with, and even considered primarying him in 2012-- that puts people off.

Just stop it with the 'corporate Dems want Biden and ordinary people want Bernie' narrative. The reliable Democratic voters wanted Biden, while Bernie's young supporters didn't show up to vote or went with someone else.

Get over it.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Here is your timeline for a chance of progressive change in the US

Biden loses: 4 years
Biden wins and only wants term: 4 years
Biden wins but loses reelection: 8 - 12 years
Biden wins and wins reelection: 12 - 16 years

You pretty much have to hope for Biden to win and him not wanting a second term (lets not kid ourself he will want a second term once he is in office).

Good luck have fun.

His VP choices do not inspire me in that regard. I am just imaging them running after him...

 

[Detective Conan]

David Pakman, always the voice of reason.

 

[mclay18]

I legit wonder if Trump thinks he stood a better chance of defeating Bernie than Biden because it really feels to me that he wanted Bernie to be the nominee over Biden.

He did. That's why he tried the Ukraine scheme to get Biden out of the picture, which failed spectacularly.

 

[Lily Adler]

That so-called 'establishment' likes Biden because he had Obama's back for eight years during his presidency -- and a big portion of them are black voters. When you have a democratic socialist like Bernie who wasn't aligned with Obama, butted heads with, and even considered primarying him in 2012-- that puts people off.

Just stop it with the 'corporate Dems want Biden and ordinary people want Bernie' narrative. The reliable Democratic voters wanted Biden, while Bernie's young supporters didn't show up to vote or went with someone else.

Get over it.

I already "got over" Biden winning. I want him to give people of this country and my generation hope. Obama did that.

 

[Lily Adler]

His VP choices do not inspire me in that regard. I am just imaging them running after him...

Who's on the shortlist?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

That so-called 'establishment' likes Biden because he had Obama's back for eight years during his presidency -- and a big portion of them are black voters. When you have a democratic socialist like Bernie who wasn't aligned with Obama, butted heads with, and even considered primarying him in 2012-- that puts people off.

Just stop it with the 'corporate Dems want Biden and ordinary people want Bernie' narrative. The reliable Democratic voters wanted Biden, while Bernie's young supporters didn't show up to vote or went with someone else.

Get over it.

This is written so much like a push notice from the party itself I don't even know what to say...

You know what puts people off? Lying about Bernie. Lying in favor of Biden. Networks on MSNBC pushing Bernie is a mistake morning, noon and night.

Also why be a jerk to someone who is simply responding to your post? It's post like this that make it clear how and why you post here. Also why you support Biden. He too thinks people should just get over it, or vote for someone else.

 

[mclay18]

I already "got over" Biden winning. I want him to give people of this country and my generation hope. Obama did that.

I hope so!

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Who's on the shortlist?

What about this sounds good?

Biden to begin vetting VP shortlist ‘in a matter of weeks’

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I hope so!

Are you sure!!!?