Do you think Marvel will ever get the rights back from Sony & Fox?

[Captain Marvel]

So basically, either Marvel will get the rights back or they won't.

Yes, that's my daring analysis of the situation.

Seriously, I was just pointing out that making a Venom movie doesn't really change the situation. If Sony Pictures continues to exist, then it's going to do whatever it has to to hold onto the movie license for as long as possible. Making a Venom movie does nothing to change that, so it's still the status quo as far as that's concerned. The only real hope there is of getting Spider-Man back is for Sony Pictures to go under.

 

[roach]

Yes, that's my daring analysis of the situation.

Seriously, I was just pointing out that making a Venom movie doesn't really change the situation. If Sony Pictures continues to exist, then it's going to do whatever it has to to hold onto the movie license for as long as possible. Making a Venom movie does nothing to change that, so it's still the status quo as far as that's concerned. The only real hope there is of getting Spider-Man back is for Sony Pictures to go under.

actually if Sony continues to exist and they make the Venom movie it will extend the Spider-man license at Sony

 

[ЯɘvlveR]

looks to me like they're looking to milk the cash cow before it goes belly up. doesn't make any sense.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

It wasn't "someone" it was 24/7 Wall Street a group of reputable US & global equity analysts. Who were right about their number one pick declaring bankruptcy last year (Blockbuster).

Their number one for their 2012 list was Sony Pictures not the entirety of Sony's core business ventures.

Multiple media outlets covered it (Yahoo finance, Huffington Post, Comcast, MSNBC etc.).

I read the article. If somebody buys Columbia from them, what happens to all contracts they had with Marvel?

 

[roach]

I read the article. If somebody buys Columbia from them, what happens to all contracts they had with Marvel?

whoever buys Columbia gets their library of films and licenses...whoever does that could try to get a lot of money from Marvel or continue or reboot Spider-man

 

[Dark Raven]

Marvel shouldn't let anyone else buy Columbia. If the opportunity arises, they should get Spider-Man back at all costs. With Spider-Man more than with anyone else, it would be like if you were separated from your child at birth, and now that the opportunity has come to get him back you let someone else adopt him first.

 

[BigThor]

Marvel shouldn't let anyone else buy Columbia. If the opportunity arises, they should get Spider-Man back at all costs. With Spider-Man more than with anyone else, it would be like if you were separated from your child at birth, and now that the opportunity has come to get him back you let someone else adopt him first.

I agree, plus they would also be reunited with Ghost Rider and his characters as an added bonus.

 

[Dark Raven]

I do hope Marvel gets Fantastic Four back though, since that might be more realistic than Spider-Man since they aren't in development.

If we get FF back, then Iron Man could go head to head with Dr Doom.

It would be awesome to have a movie like this:

 

[GoblinScrier]

Well for me the F4 continues to be the franchise I want more than anything to get home to Marvel...besides being my favorite team, its the only way Marvel has a chance to show the world what a Marvel produced DR DOOM would be like...I think I would probably die a happy man if I got to see Doom in all of his glory the way he should be...commanding vast armies with Latveria, plans of conquest of Earth/universe, a booming voice within the armor, scarred face, etc...then down the road, it gets so big that they have Avengers/F4 take on Doom..just thinking about it gives me goosebumps

 

[ЯɘvlveR]

i don't think disney would let anyone else by columbia. what mickey wants mickey gets.



and i agree with the sentiments of adding F4. to me, they're the top priority. their addition to the marvel universe expands the universe beyond what it is. i think that's probably the number one priority in marvel properties they'd like to get back followed by spidey.

 

[roach]

Marvel shouldn't let anyone else buy Columbia. If the opportunity arises, they should get Spider-Man back at all costs. With Spider-Man more than with anyone else, it would be like if you were separated from your child at birth, and now that the opportunity has come to get him back you let someone else adopt him first.

Marvel isn't that liquid enough to buy another studio. And they wouldn't even be a consideration in the process.
Example: Lets say Sony goes under and Columbia goes on the market. The licenses and properties go on the selling block also (if they didn't already sell of the rights to stave off bankruptcy). Fox could come in and by the catalogue of movies and now we have a Fox produced Spider-man.
Yes Disney has a lot of money they could throw at someone to buy back the rights for Marvel but to be honest a studio would be stupid to do so.
We're talking about a billion dollar franchise.

 

[roach]

i don't think disney would let anyone else by columbia. what mickey wants mickey gets.

true but we are also talking about other studios that can play the block in this situation....Fox(would makes sense since they have FF and X-men...and since Spidey is in the FF now...or a Spider-man/Wolverine movie....playing team up with their own movies would bring in lots of money)
Paramount is a serious contender since they made a lot of the TF movies and may look for another franchise
WB is also looking for another franchise

 

[BigThor]

I do hope Marvel gets Fantastic Four back though, since that might be more realistic than Spider-Man since they aren't in development.

If we get FF back, then Iron Man could go head to head with Dr Doom.

Definately, I remember when I listed Iron Man vs Dr. Doom as one of the fights I can't wait to see on film one day.

 

[roach]

to be honest I don't think we'd see that even if Marvel got the rights to the FF.

 

[metaphysician]

I'd certainly hope not. Tony really has no business fighting Doom.

Anyway, I tend to think that the X-Men rights are basically a lost cause. Fox will never relinquish them. Ditto the Spider-man rights, except for the small chance that Sony leaves the movie business.

Its possible that Daredevil, Ghost Rider, and especially Fantastic Four will eventually revert, however. They aren't as lucrative.

 

[Lord]

I think X-Men rights should stay with Fox, with X-Men you have an entire universe to explore, and i think it works better like this.

 

[Dark Raven]

I'd certainly hope not. Tony really has no business fighting Doom.

Anyway, I tend to think that the X-Men rights are basically a lost cause. Fox will never relinquish them. Ditto the Spider-man rights, except for the small chance that Sony leaves the movie business.

Its possible that Daredevil, Ghost Rider, and especially Fantastic Four will eventually revert, however. They aren't as lucrative.

You sound like someone who has never read any of the epic battles between Iron Man and Dr Doom and their history together. Why does Tony have no business fighting Doom in your opinion?

 

[metaphysician]

Because Tony is not half the scientist Doom is. Doom is smarter, and his tech is superior. There is a reason Doom is, first and foremost, the nemesis of the Fantastic Four, aka "the team with Reed Richards on it."

To *credibly* take on Doom, you either need an equal super genius, or you need an army.

 

[Dark Raven]

Because Tony is not half the scientist Doom is. Doom is smarter, and his tech is superior. There is a reason Doom is, first and foremost, the nemesis of the Fantastic Four, aka "the team with Reed Richards on it."

To *credibly* take on Doom, you either need an equal super genius, or you need an army.

So in your opinion, no-one else should take on Doom, even though he frequently clashes with everyone else in the Marvel Universe and is Marvel's premier villain.

Usually Marvel pitches Tony and Doom's tech as on an equal footing with both having a grudging but unspoken respect of each other.

And genius is not the only reason why Doom is Reed's main nemesis. There are other personal reasons too. If it were only to do with intelligence vs intelligence, Doom wouldn't bother with anyone else.

 

[BigThor]

to be honest I don't think we'd see that even if Marvel got the rights to the FF.

Why not?

So in your opinion, no-one else should take on Doom, even though he frequently clashes with everyone else in the Marvel Universe and is Marvel's premier villain.

Usually Marvel pitches Tony and Doom's tech as on an equal footing with both having a grudging but unspoken respect of each other.

And genius is not the only reason why Doom is Reed's main nemesis. There are other personal reasons too. If it were only to do with intelligence vs intelligence, Doom wouldn't bother with anyone else.

Yeah they're tech is usually portrayed as being equal, but for some reason Tony's armor seems like it's far more powerful than Doom's armor.

 

[roach]

Why not?



Yeah they're tech is usually portrayed as being equal, but for some reason Tony's armor seems like it's far more powerful than Doom's armor.

because Marvel needs to set Doom up as the FF's primary villain instead of having him show up all over the place.
and to have Tony take down a villain it takes the whole FF to take down is a bit too much

 

[Dark Raven]

Why not?



Yeah they're tech is usually portrayed as being equal, but for some reason Tony's armor seems like it's far more powerful than Doom's armor.

It probably is. I think when we're talking about tech, that partly involves tech knowledge.

Tony is more of a specialist, with his area of expertise being armours. He spends his whole time tinkering with them. Doom is more of a general practioner who is not constantly upgrading his armour. One of Doom's main obsessions is rescuing his mother from hell. He plays around with other things like his time cube, building robots and acquiring other technology from others (hence why he's come into conflict with Shellhead) as well as delving into the dark arts.

Even if one does have an all-round superior knowledge, the thing is that if someone specialises in a particular area, they're probably going to have the superior knowledge and tech in that area. That's why I'd even say that Tony has superior knowledge of armours and the accompanying tech compared to Reed Richards, because Reed doesn't spend his time in that field. He does other things. Maybe if Reed concentrated on armours too, he'd do as good or better a job, but armour is not his schtick. Nor is it Doom's really, even though he wears armour himself. He doesn't spend every spare moment tinkering with it for fun. For Doom, it is a means to an end, but he has other concerns and other things he works on.

It's just like Banner. He lives and breathes gamma research. Reed Richards might be more of a genius than him, but Banner is the world's leading expert on gamma technology because that's his area of specialism.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

Because Tony is not half the scientist Doom is. Doom is smarter, and his tech is superior. There is a reason Doom is, first and foremost, the nemesis of the Fantastic Four, aka "the team with Reed Richards on it."

To *credibly* take on Doom, you either need an equal super genius, or you need an army.

Or just a well placed .50 cal sniper shot in his eye mask. The only reason Doom seems impervious to any opponent is because he's popular and his forte is to outsmart other heroes and talk arrogantly. He's just like Wolverine, his popularity makes him 'smarter' and 'stronger' than his opponents. That's why Wolverine defeated Lobo, why Batman can beat anybody, and Chuck Norris can stop time with his kung fu kick.

 

[metaphysician]

Because, of course, invoking a really awful What If makes your argument look good. *rollseyes*

Yes, everyone has fought Doom at some point or another. And some of those fights have been more sensical than others. As for the idea of Tony being competitive tech-wise. . . come back to me when Tony builds machines that screw around with cosmic beings and fundamental forces of the universe. Or otherwise can even pretend to be a peer of Reed Richards without it looking laughable.

 

[Spider-Fan]

That came from a comic where the Punisher kills a ton of people who should beat him. Yes, being popular up Doom's power level, but in a way that makes sense. His vanity is somewhat warranted given his intellect, and the fact he has no powers and can still take on almost anybody shows why he is truly Reed Richard's equal. There is making someone way too powerful and it coming off poorly, but it works in Doom's case.

As for Stark being Doom's technical equal...Doom's power suit makes him able to potentially beat the FF, and he is FAR more advanced in robotics than Stark is. I give Doom the edge.