Iron Fist Finn Jones IS Danny Rand / Iron Fist

[metaphysician]

how long until we stop hearing complaints about the fact that Danny is white?

Not before the show comes out, I'd say. Maybe not even then, but at the very least the show being awesome has a *chance* to cause people to go "Boy, am I glad they cast Finn Jones, I can't imagine anyone else playing Danny Rand."

 

[Stark Bauer]

how long until we stop hearing complaints about the fact that Danny is white?

My guess is when the first footage/teasers/trailers come out. Hope he nails this role.

 

[TheVileOne]

No one will complain about Batman being Mighty Whitey if Ben Affleck directs the next Batman movie.

 

[Tvar10]

how long until we stop hearing complaints about the fact that Danny is white?

Isnt he white in the comics?? Everyone I read were him being white and having brown hair?

 

[TheVileOne]

I haven't been seeing them lately, but I haven't been looking for them either.

 

[Nayt Navare]

Isnt he white in the comics?? Everyone I read were him being white and having brown hair?

He is white white blond/brown hair.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Why would there be an issue with Finn's casting? I don't get it?

 

[ArcherFan]

Why would there be an issue with Finn's casting? I don't get it?

If you're curious, look through the history of this thread, the general discussion, and the one about IF being played by an Asian actor. Sum's it up. It's a pretty tired discussion, but yeah, it's there.

 

[ernesth100]

Suprised bo ones maniped him into Iron Fist yet

 

[TheVileOne]

Most of it boils down to crap on TV Tropes. He's Mighty Whitey or some such. So is Batman, but no one cares because it's Batman.

 

[Norek]

Let's leave that stuff in the other thread...

 

[Delwin]

Single question - does Finn Jones have any martial art background? I understand that a lot can be done with good (although short) training and proper filming but e.g. it is painfully clear when two character fights and one of them do not have proper training and still wins. From my experience seeing a lot of martial art movies I can hardly recall non-martial art specialist doing good job in that area - although Marvel did a good job e.g. with Chris Evans for "Winter Soldier". Not sure however that they are able to do the same for TV series - much more fights and less budget...

 

[Endeavor]

No.
He did some fighting in GoT, when he wasn't swallowing swords
But other than that his only training has been what he's learned since being cast.
I'm not worried about that though. Cox isn't an MMA fighter but the fights in DD are great.
Also, there is no guarantee that a trained martial artist will make the scenes look good.
I've always thought everything Steven Segal did looked like crap...
What matters is that the fight choreographers and the stunt team do a good job. I'm sure Netflix and Marvel will get the best for that.

 

[Delwin]

When you have masked vigilante a lot can be done ;-) - also the fighting style of Cox in DD is mostly based on boxing which requires less training to "mask" deficiences. Any need to have some combo with hands and legs shows competence of the actor. Of course, if the actor is "sport-type", any training is much more effective e.g. M. Dudikoff who has no martial arts training while shooting the "American Ninja" but he had some serious sport background as far as I can recall (some triathlon).

Concerning SS - his few first movies were quite good also when it comes to MA: please do not mention anything after "Under Siege 2"...

 

[chamber-music]

Movie fighting and real fighting are totally different things. Most modern movie fighting is like a highly choreographed dance.

Finn has already said he has been doing martial arts training since he was cast.

 

[Delwin]

I fully understand that modern cinema fights is "dancing" (no one wants to die when shooting the movie...) but there is significant difference between J. Chan "dance" in "Please choose whatever you want" and Keanu Reaves "fights" in "Matrix"...

I hope Finn Jones will be good at playing martial arts master!

 

[BoredGuy]

Semi-unrelated but your post reminds me....
The biggest letdown of Edgar Wright leaving Ant-Man is that his fight choreographer (also Jackie Chan's choreo) went with him
it would've been amazing to see any of these "regular guy" actors under their choreography
look To Scott Pilgrim and The World's End for examples, you would actually believe that Michael Cera and Nick Frost are capable of kicking all sorts of ass

to segue it back, Finn Jones wouldn't need to do s*** for training outside of learning the "dance steps"

 

[TheVileOne]

No.
He did some fighting in GoT, when he wasn't swallowing swords
But other than that his only training has been what he's learned since being cast.
I'm not worried about that though. Cox isn't an MMA fighter but the fights in DD are great.
Also, there is no guarantee that a trained martial artist will make the scenes look good.
I've always thought everything Steven Segal did looked like crap...
What matters is that the fight choreographers and the stunt team do a good job. I'm sure Netflix and Marvel will get the best for that.

I mean did Jones actually do any of the fighting in GoT? Most of it was probably a stunt man in the armor and helmet.

 

[BoredGuy]

It might've been him
I don't recall Loras doing anything all that athletically impressive on the show

 

[Endeavor]

I mean did Jones actually do any of the fighting in GoT? Most of it was probably a stunt man in the armor and helmet.

I think I remember him doing some sword fighting.

With actual swords I mean, I'm not being a smartass this time.

 

[chamber-music]

Semi-unrelated but your post reminds me....
The biggest letdown of Edgar Wright leaving Ant-Man is that his fight choreographer (also Jackie Chan's choreo) went with him
it would've been amazing to see any of these "regular guy" actors under their choreography
look To Scott Pilgrim and The World's End for examples, you would actually believe that Michael Cera and Nick Frost are capable of kicking all sorts of ass

to segue it back, Finn Jones wouldn't need to do s*** for training outside of learning the "dance steps"

Yep, Brad Allan is awesome. One of the best fight action choreographers in the business.

Marvel should tried to hold onto him or get him for another movie or tv show.

He even made guys like Colin Firth and Jack Davenport look like badass fighters in Kingsman: The Secret Service.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

When you have masked vigilante a lot can be done ;-) - also the fighting style of Cox in DD is mostly based on boxing which requires less training to "mask" deficiences. Any need to have some combo with hands and legs shows competence of the actor. Of course, if the actor is "sport-type", any training is much more effective e.g. M. Dudikoff who has no martial arts training while shooting the "American Ninja" but he had some serious sport background as far as I can recall (some triathlon).

Concerning SS - his few first movies were quite good also when it comes to MA: please do not mention anything after "Under Siege 2"...

What they have had Cox/DD do on the show ranges FAR wider than Western Boxing, even "dirty" boxing. Heck, I guarentee you he's using Filipino Martial arts techniques when using batons.

The fight choreography for this is likely to be tops, and Jones likely had to have some fight choreography training for GoT. I think we can rest easy. There are many cases, recent and older of making a non-martial arts knowledgeable actor look like an ass kicker on screen.

 

[chamber-music]

A lot of I depends on how they choreography the fights. I think iron fist is a lot less of a brawler than daredevil. I expect iron fist to be more wushu style as that is the type of martial arts Finn jones said he is training in and would fit with the iron fist character.

Daredevil's style in his show seems like a mixture of boxing, gymnastics, parkour and Japanese style martial arts such as ninjutsu.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

A lot of I depends on how they choreography the fights. I think iron fist is a lot less of a brawler than daredevil. I expect iron fist to be more wushu style as that is the type of martial arts Finn jones said he is training in and would fit with the iron fist character.

Daredevil's style in his show seems like a mixture of boxing, gymnastics, parkour and Japanese style martial arts such as ninjutsu.

Have you done any training in those disciplines?

 

[TheVileOne]

I think I remember him doing some sword fighting.

With actual swords I mean, I'm not being a smartass this time.

I recall some Loras Tyrell sword fight scenes too. But as I recall his character was wearing a helmet and armor in all these scenes. So it easily could've been a stunt swordsman.