James Bond: 007 - Spectre - Part 10

[A Necessary Evil]

And IF that's the case, they did it poorly. You're the only one bring up the whole "ambiguous writing" to justify the films poor screenplay.

Didn't you say TASM2 was gonna be the Dark Knight of the Spider-Man films? Not sure how the writing in SPECTRE is any worse than that.

 

[Vaibow]

Ok, so i saw Spectre last night and walked out disappointed.

Firstly, forget her name but the mature bond girl was hardly in it, even though i got the impression she had a larger role. The romance scene for want of a better word felt to me, really creepy, Craig looked weird, his actions seemed forceful and the ways he gave into him, lusted over him seemed rushed.
The villain and the connection to bond, too convenient. The way Spectre was 'always there' felt a last minute idea. Had we seen a silhouetted figure throughout CR, QOS and SF speaking on a phone to each villain, then a build up would have occurred.

The main love interest seemed forced and no real emotion. When i saw Vespa i thought 'now she was his real love' as there was meat to it.

Spectre didn't seem like a threat, maybe in the long run they would, but they just seemed like a creepy business.

Bond getting into the layer, it all seemed too convenient.

Drax was fun, but survived too easy at certain points.

I felt they wanted to pay homage to Moore era in terms of cinematography as well as Connery, in the sense of his mannerisms.

I felt the world was never at danger and i felt bond, would always survive. I also felt the way he interacted with M was to cliche 'Yes Sir, No sir, three bags full sir'

However, what i did like - the Car, the PTS - that was a beautifully executed sequence. I liked Q, i liked the nods to the past. I also liked the ending as.. it can finish there, or it could continue, but...

Personally, i want a change. I don't want to see another Bond film where he loses his love - ala Casino Royal. I don't want to se him go rogue, ala CR, QOS, SF and S.

I want them to follow the route of the Andy McNab 'Nick Stone' novels. They were great and could be a great inspiration for the next 'chapter' of Bond's life.

I want a more realistic threat, closer to home. I want him doing real spy work, hiding out in a wood for a week, watching a target, trying to keep sane and focused. I want to see him interacting with his team back in london. I want to see him in the real world, a Bar, how he interacts with people that are too shallow to realize the real world, that Bond just saved all their bacon.

 

[Drizzle]

I saw it tonight. Not as bad as some make it out to be, but it's a far cry from Skyfall and Casino Royale. I thought it was better than Quantum of Solace. It met my expectations more or less. Christoph Waltz made for an interesting Blofeld, but his performance didn't captivate me like Javier Bardem as Silva. I did like how Q was given an expanded role. He's always been one of my favorite characters in the franchise and I always like seeing him in the field.

Was anyone else weirded out by the octopus in the credit sequence? I got implications of beastiality watching that sequence.

It was basically hentai set to a warbly song. It took me right out of the movie. And then the clips from the previous films just reminded me of the Spider-Man 3 opening credits.

I dug up my old list from when Skyfall came out. Spectre just misses my top 10, but it's still a good Bond flick.

1. Goldfinger
2. Skyfall
3. Casino Royale
4. Goldeneye
5. The Spy Who Loved Me
6. Thunderball
7. From Russia With Love
8. Dr. No
9. Licence to Kill
10. On Her Majesty's Secret Service
11. Spectre
12. Quantum of Solace
13. For Your Eyes Only
14. Live and Let Die
15. Tomorrow Never Dies
16. The Living Daylights
17. You Only Live Twice
18. The World Is Not Enough
19. Die Another Day
20. Octopussy
21. The Man With The Golden Gun
22. A View To A Kill
23. Moonraker
24. Diamonds Are Forever

 

[Boy Scout]

Although I agree that their romance was incredibly rushed, I thought Craig and Seydoux had good chemistry.

 

[Mysteryman]

I saw it tonight. Not as bad as some make it out to be, but it's a far cry from Skyfall and Casino Royale. I thought it was better than Quantum of Solace. It met my expectations more or less. Christoph Waltz made for an interesting Blofeld, but his performance didn't captivate me like Javier Bardem as Silva. I did like how Q was given an expanded role. He's always been one of my favorite characters in the franchise and I always like seeing him in the field.



It was basically hentai set to a warbly song. It took me right out of the movie. And then the clips from the previous films just reminded me of the Spider-Man 3 opening credits.

I dug up my old list from when Skyfall came out. Spectre just misses my top 10, but it's still a good Bond flick.

1. Goldfinger
2. Skyfall
3. Casino Royale
4. Goldeneye
5. The Spy Who Loved Me
6. Thunderbolt
7. From Russia With Love
8. Dr. No
9. Licence to Kill
10. On Her Majesty's Secret Service
11. Spectre
12. Quantum of Solace
13. For Your Eyes Only
14. Live and Let Die
15. Tomorrow Never Dies
16. The Living Daylights
17. You Only Live Twice
18. The World Is Not Enough
19. Die Another Day
20. Octopussy
21. The Man With The Golden Gun
22. A View To A Kill
23. Moonraker
24. Diamonds Are Forever

Always nice to see Goldfinger top a list of Bonds best.
The classics still rule.

 

[Mysteryman]

It might have played better if this film showed the rise of Spectre, as opposed to having the audience believe than Spectre had been around all along.

They could have written it so that, due to the reveal of Quantum in QoS, the organization had decided to change itself into something else under the guise that Quantum had been dismantled/disintergrated due to the growing number of government agencies now looking into them, and that's how Spectre was formed.

I haven't seen the film yet, but I think it would have been interesting if Spectre was a competitor of Quantum.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

My updated list:

1. Goldfinger
2. From Russia with Love
3. The Spy Who Loved Me
4. Casino Royale
5. Goldeneye
6. For Your Eyes Only
7. Skyfall
8. You Only Live Twice
9. Thunderball
10. On Her Majesty's Secret Service
11. Dr. No
12. Licence to Kill
13. Octopussy
14. SPECTRE
15. The Living Daylights
16. Live and Let Die
17. Tomorrow Never Dies
18. The Man with the Golden Gun
19. The World is Not Enough
20. Moonraker
21. A View to a Kill
22. Quantum of Solace
23. Die Another Day
24. Diamonds Are Forever

 

[Rocketman]

As far as I'm concerned, this was the Classic Bond movie I've been waiting for since 2006.

- Gun barrel opening
- "Bond... James Bond."
- "Vodka Martini... Shaken, not stirred."
- Q
- Moneypenny
- Classic Bond Villain with an Awesome Henchman

It checked ALL the boxes for me in ONE movie. I wasn't asking for much.

 

[Loki882]

See for me, the shoehorned attempts at being "classic Bond" fell flat on their face. It just didn't work imo.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

As far as I'm concerned, this was the Classic Bond movie I've been waiting for since 2006.

- Gun barrel opening
- "Bond... James Bond."
- "Vodka Martini... Shaken, not stirred."
- Q
- Moneypenny
- Classic Bond Villain with an Awesome Henchman

It checked ALL the boxes for me in ONE movie. I wasn't asking for much.

And this is strange to me. What about this checklist leads to a good film? I don't get it. Saying a random line makes it good? Having the gun barrel at the beginning makes it good?

 

[The Shape]

One could argue that classic Bond moments/lines like the ones mentioned above are "shoehorned" into nearly every one of the films out of necessity. I fail to see how the same aspects "fell flat on their face" in Spectre or suddenly don't work anymore in these films.

 

[The Shape]

And this is strange to me. What about this checklist leads to a good film? I don't get it. Saying a random line makes it good? Having the gun barrel at the beginning makes it good?

I think this person was just pointing out some of the classic Bond moments that he had been looking forward to seeing in this film, and that he got to see. He didn't say those are the things that made this a great film.

 

[Greens]

I love how they handled the Vodka Martini bit in Casino Royale.

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[Loki882]

^Yeah that was great.

 

[The Shape]

I love how they handled the Vodka Martini bit in Casino Royale.

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[Tacit Ronin]

and it made sense. It wasn't being edgy for the sake of it. The character at that point in time in the story does feel that way.

 

[Loki882]

And if we're going with the notion that "classic Bond references/tropes make for a good Bond film," then Die Another Day is one of the best Bond films ever I guess. Riiggghhhttt.

 

[marvelrobbins]

As far as I'm concerned, this was the Classic Bond movie I've been waiting for since 2006.

- Gun barrel opening
- "Bond... James Bond."
- "Vodka Martini... Shaken, not stirred."
- Q
- Moneypenny
- Classic Bond Villain with an Awesome Henchman

It checked ALL the boxes for me in ONE movie. I wasn't asking for much.

Agreed.as i said people are taking Spectre to woodshed for crime of being
the daniel Craig version of a classic Bond film.

 

[Rocketman]

And this is strange to me. What about this checklist leads to a good film? I don't get it. Saying a random line makes it good? Having the gun barrel at the beginning makes it good?

Not at all. But it makes it feel like an actual Bond movie as opposed to Bourne/Taken/Mission Impossible/Man from UNCLE/Get Smart/Alias/24/I Spy Part 50. The only thing that gave some of these examples an actual identity is the theme music being played. Otherwise, there are entries in these series where the title could've just been slapped on for a cash-in. Playing Bondy music is great. But there are some tropes/traditions that are basically mandatory. It's the reason we have "I'll be back", "Yippie Kai-Yay", "I have a bad feeling about this", having lightsabers, having a Delorean, etc. It makes you go, "Oh yeah, that's one of those examples of what sets this apart from Generic Genre Movie #4,879."

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I see the opposite, people giving this film a pass simply because it fulfills Bond tropes. Being a classic Bond movie doesn't excuse the half baked foster brother angle, the baffling Q scene with the ring, the herculean length, the extra, tacked on act after the desert base, the idiotic torture scene and action scenes that lacked drama and urgency.

The Spy Who loved me is a 'formula' film but with none of these flaws.

 

[Rowsdower!]

I don't know. All of the Craig films have felt like Bond films to me, regardless of whether they included certain classic tropes or not. They just feel more serious and (usually) more realistic than the Brosnan/Moore/Connery ones.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Yes. To insinuate that Casino Royale or Skyfall (I understand QOS) is in anyway Bourne or MI-like utterly confounds me.

 

[Octoberist]

It's weird that Hinx just died the way he died, because I was expecting him to be like the Terminator and pop up again during the final scenes. They should've done that, and have him die during the explosion.

 

[Octoberist]

Yes. To insinuate that Casino Royale or Skyfall (I understand QOS) is in anyway Bourne or MI-like utterly confounds me.

It is weird.

I think it's due to 'modern mis-memory' when we clump things together. It's like instead of saying "QoS was like Bourne', people would say 'Daniel Craig's Bond movies were like Bourne'.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I agree. Maybe having Hinx in the London climax would've spiced things up a bit.