Sam wasn't part of G1. The name was Spike. And Blackout and Barricade weren't G1 either. Ironhide was obviously based largely on Rhinox in robot mode. Optimus did gorrilla type acrobatics. The story and pod landing borrowed from Armada.
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Transformers tends to recycle names. However Ron (Sparkplug's other name was William), Sam and her mother are entirely new, unless you missed something.The last name Witwicky is G1 obviously. Unless you think this last name was a coincidence.
Did you see the movie yet. Because he does. He hangs off building by one arm, freqently is seen swinging down from high places. There was definitely some BW referencing.and they should put "Optimus does gorilla type acrobatics" on the dvd cover. That's some funny s--t!!!!
KayAs long as you continue to entertain us with your absurdities, you can stay in the G1 purist thread.
It might be a throwback, but it's been used 3 or 4 times at this point, in distinct continuities.
Hasbro stated very firmly from the beginning they didn't want a G1 movie
Sadly, you're wrong. Because Blackout is not a combaticon named Vortex and Barricade is not a G1 micromaster for the Decepticon race team. Blackout was, however, a character in Armada...to which he is unrelated as well.
Well considering Rhinox had a similar voice, duel gattling guns ....I'd have to say the parrallels are apparent. Ironhide was chief of security.
Transformers movie, not a king kong tribute. If they took it they took it from Beast Wars much like the Prime-Lips
Well the writers wrote the story, not Bay and they were given the recent Transformers cartoons and comics as reference. Not surprising that Armada and Infiltation would seem to be the plots used.
Hmm in Armada the mini-cons come in a starship that half crashes on earth. But the Bots and Cons arrive via transgalactic teleporter. Where are these pods of which you speak?
Blackout was a G1 micromaster as well. Although Blackout and Barricade draw more from Energon than G1.Shadowboxing said:
I always felt that Rhinox was based on G1 Ironhide. Or rather Rhinox was what Ironhide could have been with better writing.Shadowboxing said:
Nope. Thats Onslaught who froms part of Bruticus in Superlink. It's Barricade who forms part of Bruticus Maxmius in Energon. Takara TF's!=Hasbro TF's.
Dumb point. Optimus was first introduced in G1, but he isn't the same Optimus as appeared in future incarnations of the show. It might be a throwback to G1 to mention Witwicky, but then so is everytime they re-use a name. Has nothing to do with making it a G1 film. This movie isn't Beast Wars, but it sure as f*** isn't G1 either. It's an entirely different continuity much like RiD or UT.
That's the most ridiculous crap I ever heard. The only reason G1 gets re-referenced is copyright issues. That's why Optimus, Megatron and Starscream show up in future incarnations because they don't want to lose those characters. And yes they are highly marketable, but keep in mind Optimus, Megatron and some form of Starscream and Bumblebee have all been part of the Transformers-verse. G1 died 20 years ago, they make future incarnations to sell a new product, not an old one.
They were originally going to call them Soundwave, but dropped that as well. It's immaterial, they called him Blackout.
The guy who did the voice of Rhinox does Ironhide's voice in the game dumbass.
And Optimus Prime was a monkey for quiet some time. As me and Lars have tried to tell you, this is not a G1 movie. It's a combination of ALL the franchises being celebrated in one movie.
So what, me and Lars point still stands it's not a G1 movie, it's a 20 years of Transformers movie. And furthermore the Alt.mode is the same as his G2 form bud.
The designs, the story, the Allspark and most of the alt.modes have little or nothing to do with the G1 show.
G1 was a comic before it was a show. So by your logic the Marvel comic was the inspiration...except for the fact that the producers didn't look towards that comic, and were instead sent the IDW and Dreamwave books instead.
You're the one who keeps shouting G1 film like a chicken with it's head cut off, not that article. It just mentions that DeSanto and Murphy sought to make a G1 film then goes onto say how Bay and Hasbro pushed them away from that.
Since Beast Wars means after, not during. G1 did use a combination, only because of the toyline not the storyline. And "Beast Planet" in Cybertron is clearly a reference to Beast Wars, not G1. And Scorponok's beasties in Energon were called Terrorcons, and functioned outside of the Decepticon ranks...much like Predacons supposedly. Predacons were the one's in RiD.
Incorrect. Beast Wars voice actors are just as common, if not moreso at BotCon conventions and are often the biggest draw. David Kaye and Gary Chalk are easily just as beloved, and just as big a draw.
Okay, but they took that from future incarnations, not G1.
I did. End of story.
Get off your damn high horse.
"Loosely" is the key word. Except for Optimus and Megatron's eternal struggle, when they abandone the premise, story, animation style, voice actors, writing staff and basically anything else you can think of. It's not G1, it's is its own thing.
Refer to what Lars said
G1 doesn't hold a monopoly on Car Robots. And as you pointed out even G1 used Beasties. If G1 were the best way to convey Transformers it wouldn't have been cancelled in 1987.
This right here is you just being plain stupid. The Dinobots (all of them), and the insecticons are Diaclone toys. Released in 1982 as Dinosaur Robo's and Waruders respectivly. Proof.
As reboots and relaunches that appeal to a very small market. IDW isn't a huge comic producer. And furthermore they aren't "ongoing". No comic (aside from G2) has ever built off G1 comics. This new IDW series will feature, for example, a Nightbeat who is not a headmaster, a Hot Rod who has a different alt mode, a Prowl that is a Nissan Z, and a Megatron that is a tank. In addition Galvatron is not Megatron upgraded this time around. So no, not ongoing.
And there is a Beast Wars ongoing in the works at IDW along with a new comic based on Transformers:animated and a comic based on "Heart of Steel" and other alternate Universe takes. Those aren't G1.
Largely, how so. Character names, and the Witwicky last name, and Peter Cullen aside. The plot - not G1. The character designs - not G1. The premise - not G1. The origin - not G1. The human supporting cast - not G1. The date of arrival - not 1984. The alt modes - not G1. So largely it's based on a brand new concept much like the last umpteen toylines and fictions produced by Hasbro. No surprise there.
Learn to read. No one said it was based on Beast Wars. Both me and Lars said it was a film which encompasses the last 23 years of TF history. Energon, Armada, IDW, Dreamwave, Marvel, Beast Wars, Beast Machines, Transformers, Japan continuities included. We even get a reference to "diaclone" in the movie. So, no both your straw man representation of our argument and your piss poor assertions are both sadly incorrect.
And you're getting a mod report for that. Learn to debate civilly.
Jim Shooter and Bob Budinsky wrote the concept to the comic and toyline before the cartoon came out with the pilot.
The comic stories predate the pilot. That's why you see Ratchet change from a toy accurate design in the comic to a toon accurate design by the end of the fourth or fifth issue. Because the Sunbow people had not finalized designs by the time they were done penning the initial four issue mini.
