WandaVision WandaVision: Season 1, Episode 6 "All-New Halloween Spooktacular!" (spoilers)

[RockSP]

Yeah Mutants are just normal people. problem is they have powers and are discriminated towards for being different. whether its because they are dangerous or just purely because they are seen as freaks. thats kinda the message. the thing thats holding it back though is the MCU is its already super hero filled. so where is the difference between Mutants, aliens, gods, spider-men, inhumans, vampire hunters, tech men, hulks, and whatever else gets introduced. Mutants will have to be reduced and work in a much smaller way in this universe because you probably could never make mutants work in the way that they worked in the comics. that boat has floated the same way the chances of Magneto being Wandas biological father in the MCU has floated, or Captain america having known Wolverine back during war times has floated.

Its easy to create excuses like Xavier has been hiding mutants. problem is when you really start to think about the universe they live in. it starts to collapse under its own weight. and needs to be a case of just don't think about it in order for it to make sense.

The same could be said for the comics lol.

 

[Venom 1988]

I think the other thing you can take into account, is that you can have it (like the comics) where mutants existed but were a rarity. So just throwing random numbers out as an example, but like every 100 years, only 5 of mutants were born worldwide. But then by the time you get closer to present day, more and more start popping up. In the comics, the original reason was because of the Atomic Age. In the MCU, it can be whatever. Some people like the idea of the infinity gauntlet being used 3 times on Earth as the catalyst for the wave of new mutants, but honestly it can be anything.

 

[SirStrangefolk]

Yeah Mutants are just normal people. problem is they have powers and are discriminated towards for being different. whether its because they are dangerous or just purely because they are seen as freaks. thats kinda the message. the thing thats holding it back though is the MCU is its already super hero filled. so where is the difference between Mutants, aliens, wizards gods, spider-men, inhumans, vampire hunters, tech men, hulks, and whatever else gets introduced.

I feel like I went over this extensively in an earlier post, which you completely ignored except for the very last sentence about my casting ideas. So I'm not sure what else I can say to convince you ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.

- The Avengers is a small group of people that became known after fighting an alien invasion which got them a lot of goodwill, while mutants wouldn't have such an event.
- The Avengers have had ties to SHIELD and the American Government, legitimizing them. Mutants wouldn't have that.
- There are potentially many mutants and anyone could be one, which is a lot scarier than a few people with tech or super strength or such. Especially if incidents start happening with individual mutants using their powers for crimes initially and later when a mutant terrorist group is started. If someone builds a suit or is injected for a government program and they work for an organization built to protect people from threats, that may be accepted. If some random unknown person walked into a government building last week, blew himself up and walked away and then you find out your neighbor three doors down has the same mutation as that person, people might respond to that very differently.
- The identities of the Avengers are known to the public. They signed the Sokovia Accords. Mutants could be anyone and appear in numbers too large to effectively register every new case. In addition, given how people have been treated under the accords and the fact that mutants were born that way and had no choice in it, they may not be willing to be put in a government database that sees them as a potential threat just for how they were born. Also, by giving the X-Men their costumes and masks and having them keep secret identities, refusing to give up their identities or register for fear of persecution, makes it harder for the public to trust them. Although doing so would make them appear closer to certain real life grassroots groups of freedom fighters operating anonymously for fear of governmental persecution.

See? Plenty of reason for mutants to be treated differently than the Avengers without a starting event.

I definitely don't think Marvel will bring more Fox actors back to reprise their roles, at least not in the same iteration or some multiversal way.

 

[GuestStar2004]

The same could be said for the comics lol.

The comics are a little different. same with the cartoons. i mean i was a fan of the 90s animated shows like Spider-man and X-MEN. and i remember they for the most part lived in their own worlds. Mutants only showed up in 2 episodes of Spider-man, otherwise they did not exist. Spider-man only made tiny barely anything cameos in the X-Men show. because for the most part the X-MEN show was just about Mutants. and mutants seemed to be everywhere in the X-Men show. for obvious reasons.

I ain't sure you could do that with the MCU. i think what they did with Spider-man shows that. Spider-man's comic world isn't the same world he lives in the MCU. which is why there are alot of weird decisions. at least in my opinion with what they did with him. most of it was because they were fitting him into the MCU and not writing around him.

 

[Limonade]

The comics are a little different. same with the cartoons. i mean i was a fan of the 90s animated shows like Spider-man and X-MEN. and i remember they for the most part lived in their own worlds. Mutants only showed up in 2 episodes of Spider-man, otherwise they did not exist. Spider-man only made tiny barely anything cameos in the X-Men show. because for the most part the X-MEN show was just about Mutants. and mutants seemed to be everywhere in the X-Men show. for obvious reasons.

I ain't sure you could do that with the MCU. i think what they did with Spider-man shows that. Spider-man's comic world isn't the same world he lives in the MCU. which is why there are alot of weird decisions. at least in my opinion with what they did with him. most of it was because they were fitting him into the MCU and not writing around him.

They cross-pollinate when the story requires them to. I don't see where your doubt is coming from with so little to go on for most of us.

 

[RockSP]

The comics are a little different. same with the cartoons. i mean i was a fan of the 90s animated shows like Spider-man and X-MEN. and i remember they for the most part lived in their own worlds.

The X-Men do not exist in their own world in the comics. They coexist right along with Spidey, Avengers, Inhumans, FF...and everybody else.

 

[GuestStar2004]

The X-Men do not exist in their own world in the comics. They coexist right along with Spidey, Avengers, Inhumans, FF...and everybody else.

But they only acknowledge it in certain comics. basically when they need too, otherwise they just about forget about them. if they acknowledged it all the time the comics would get very messy. and they can get away with that type of thing in the comics due to the number of comic books and comic continuities they produced since the 1960s.

I ain't sure you could get away with that in the live action MCU. thats been going since what 2008?.

 

[Limonade]

But they only acknowledge it in certain comics. basically when they need too, otherwise they just about forget about them. if they acknowledged it all the time the comics would get very messy. and they can get away with that type of thing in the comics due to the number of comic books and comic continuities they produced since the 1960s.

I ain't sure you could get away with that in the live action MCU. thats been going since what 2008?.

Mmm. If we're speculating here on the future reveals of the mutant. I think there's plenty of X-fans dying for any references of mutants in the MCU already. They wants it and they wanted it yesterday.

And X-Men and wolverine have been such a staple in the pop culture scene that audience members, as far back as early 2000, got the gist of the plight and plot of the mutant storyline.

I don't think it'll be that much of a problem for audiences to grasps. Especially with newer viewers who are looking for any of their favorite mutants to show up.

 

[RockSP]

But they only acknowledge it in certain comics. basically when they need too, otherwise they just about forget about them. if they acknowledged it all the time the comics would get very messy. and they can get away with that type of thing in the comics due to the number of comic books and comic continuities they produced since the 1960s.

I ain't sure you could get away with that in the live action MCU. thats been going since what 2008?.

I don't even know what that means. It doesn't have to be constantly acknowledged, because it's understood that these characters all exist in the same universe. If someone is reading a Captain America book the adventure will naturally focus on Cap and not the X-Men. If you're reading X-Men, the focus is on the X-Men and not Daredevil. Are you new to comics? Because they've always coexisted. Characters have shown up in other books and have been mentioned randomly in other books all the time. They used to have books like Marvel Team-Up and Marvel Two-In-One that showcased random superhero characters interacting.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I don't think it'll be that much of a problem for audiences to grasps. Especially with newer viewers who are looking for any of their favorite mutants to show up.

Its about the MCU. not about what the fans want. truth be told its never about what the fans want. The integrity of the MCU. That will always come first for Marvel. how to stabilize a universe that's already kinda packed at this point and make it believable that all these things could exist in the same live-action universe. it is its own continuity so every film and show they make will get really complicated if they don't keep the integrity of continuity and the world they live in stable.

 

[Limonade]

Its about the MCU. not about what the fans want. truth be told its never about what the fans want. its about the MCU. The integrity of the MCU. That will always come first for Marvel.

Oof.

I see where you are coming from, now.

I don't think Marvel will hold you on that ideal alone, GuestStar2004. I hope I am wrong. But maybe it may lose you because of it. Sad to say.

I mean, the world of Marvel is fiction. I believe anything grounded in such a crazy environment--where reality warping abilities and time traveling involved... whether it be Marvel OR DC... will be very convoluted that you'll just have to raise your arms up and just go with it.

No IP can be perfectly wrapped up without strings that were meant to be unwind at a later time.

At some point you gotta trust the storytelling... but I hear your opinions and questions; They're not entirely out of the realm of possibility.

 

[javonstokess]

But why would Xavier be hiding them? it works in a Mutant world where discrimination is a thing. otherwise he is just hiding mutants because... they are mutants? while he watches the news and see's all these heroes with powers around, but he is like nah they ain't mutants, they safe bruh!

And with the comics. remember X-Men was one of the first Marvel comics created. so alot of this later stuff was kinda written around Mutants. the MCU is gonna be complete opposite. Mutants are gonna have to be written around the MCU. just like Spider-man was written and continues to be written round the MCU.

Maybe you start off the movie showing a big incident that Xavier was involved in that had something bad happen to mutants. There are a ton of things you can do.

FWIW, X-Men might have been one of the first of the silver age Marvel comics created, but the books before never referenced mutants at all.

 

[Fosterson]

I don't even know what that means. It doesn't have to be constantly acknowledged, because it's understood that these characters all exist in the same universe. If someone is reading a Captain America book the adventure will naturally focus on Cap and not the X-Men. If you're reading X-Men, the focus is on the X-Men and not Daredevil. Are you new to comics? Because they've always coexisted. Characters have shown up in other books and have been mentioned randomly in other books all the time. They used to have books like Marvel Team-Up and Marvel Two-In-One that showcased random superhero characters interacting.

Not to mention that they literally did Avengers VS X-Men a few years back...

 

[Dark Raven]

I hope Hot Toys brings out a figure of Wanda in her Scarlet Witch costume from this episode. It would be amazing to see.

 

[Dark Raven]

WandaVision's Elizabeth Olsen leaves fans swooning in low-cut Halloween costume

 

[ernesth100]

WandaVision's Elizabeth Olsen leaves fans swooning in low-cut Halloween costume

She basically said "**** it you guys get ONE time" lol.

 

[Dark Raven]

She basically said "**** it you guys get ONE time" lol.

I wish she realised after wearing the classic costume how much she enjoyed it and how much fans appreciated it that she decided she wanted to wear this all the time as her regular costume.

Btw, although it was a Halloween spooktacular, Wanda looked like she was dressed ready for Valentine's Day last weekend.

 

[Kev4000]

I wish she realised after wearing the classic costume how much she enjoyed it and how much fans appreciated it that she decided she wanted to wear this all the time as her regular costume.

Olsen told more then once that she was sceptical about the costume, that she would feel not comfortable with it because its too sexy. Whedon calm down her concerns in ther past with another costume (lol, the irony). The reactions reducing her as a jerk off with everyone refering how "hot" she looks like and I doubt Olsen likes being recognized as a sex symbol.

 

[Dark Raven]

Olsen told more then once that she was sceptical about the costume, that she would feel not comfortable with it because its too sexy. Whedon calm down her concerns in ther past with another costume (lol, the irony). The reactions reducing her as a jerk off with everyone refering how "hot" she looks like and I doubt Olsen likes being recognized as a sex symbol.

I don't know if she reads everything (or anything) online, but I would hope that after wearing the costume for this episode she would begin to feel more comfortable. What she said about it before was in the past.

She really looked great in the costume and it looked less generic but more Eastern European. It also made her look even more imposing with the headdress. She definitely needs to incorporate something like that in her normal costume. And get a cape. It's so regal.

 

[Dark Raven]

Joss Whedon Told Elizabeth Olsen She Would Not 'Look Like a Porn Star' as Scarlet Witch in 'Avengers: Age of Ultron'

Why would Joss Whedon say that and put that in Lizzie's mind? As we can clearly see when she finally wore the Scarlet Witch costume from the comics, she looked nothing like a porn star but was very classy and also intimidating with the cape and headdress. I think she could pull it off having a proper costume like that.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

It is almost like some people just never have any clue about what they are talking about consistently.

 

[TheVileOne]

She basically said "**** it you guys get ONE time" lol.

Two times actually.

 

[TheVileOne]

Joss Whedon Told Elizabeth Olsen She Would Not 'Look Like a Porn Star' as Scarlet Witch in 'Avengers: Age of Ultron'

Why would Joss Whedon say that and put that in Lizzie's mind? As we can clearly see when she finally wore the Scarlet Witch costume from the comics, she looked nothing like a porn star but was very classy and also intimidating with the cape and headdress. I think she could pull it off having a proper costume like that.

Not to defend Joss Whedon, but Wanda has had many looks over the years and some have been way more risque, scantily clad, and less practical than others. Also, that was hardly an official costume. She wore a Halloween costume that was reminiscent of her classic look for the 1980s as a gag. She was dressing up for fun on Halloween. It's hardly her new established look.

 

[Dark Raven]

Not to defend Joss Whedon, but Wanda has had many looks over the years and some have been way more risque, scantily clad, and less practical than others. Also, that was hardly an official costume. She wore a Halloween costume that was reminiscent of her classic look for the 1980s as a gag. She was dressing up for fun on Halloween. It's hardly her new established look.

I know it was a Halloween costume but sometimes they can look more gaudy or sexy than actual properly made costumes with more expensive materials. But even with the cheaper materials and obvious Halloween look, Olsen still looked classy and elegant and not at all risque or trashy.

Maybe Whedon was thinking more of the belly dancing gypsy costume that looked more risque.

 

[Dark Raven]

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