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This is a continuation thread, the old thread is [split]542849[/split]
Recently, Patty added new cast members, Ravi Patel, Gabriella Wilde and Natasha Rothwell. Maybe Gabriella Wilde plays Silver Swan or Circe ?
I don't know.. But I looked-up she was in a few movies and currently she's doing some BBC series.What's Wilde done that's gotten so many excited about her inclusion and theorizing she could play two of the bigger WW villains? I can't say I have ever heard of her before. Is she on something like Westworld or the like?
Wow, she says, like, everything I've been saying.
Great minds think alike.
Maxwell Lord, created by Keith Giffen, J. M. DeMatteis, and Kevin Maguire, pulled a lot of strings to reorganize DC Comics' mightiest superhero team in Justice League #1 (1987) and reestablish the League as a global peacekeeping force. How he does it, no one is quite certain, wrote editor Andrew Helfer in his introduction to a 1989 compilation of the series' first seven issues. Connections are crossed, mistakes are made, characters enter and leaveand only one thing is certain: Max did it. Max didn't do it alone. Working in tandem with a sentient computer from the planet New Genesis, Lord, the smiling, smarmy, comic-book equivalent of Donald Trump, was duped by the alien machine, which had an ulterior motive of world domination (Justice League International #12, 1988).
Not totally on the Max train but for the new thread I just want to post these again...
I mean... Let's not pretend that there's not a little bit of resemblance to 80's Max Lord.
When Grace said, "There were some ideas during preproduction which would have been *disastrous* for this film, and I hope Patty Jenkins had the sense to take them out" I thought I heard Maxwell Lord's neck snapping.I just hope there won't be any snapping redo
Yeah, they seem to be going for an allegory of current politics. Need to go light on that, of course, or risk offending half the voters. Maybe they will balance it with an endearing Reagan; he has to appear you know: it's an 80's film - or I want my money back.Look at how Pascal looks and tell me you don't see the current POTUS?
Ideas are not bad, how they are received depends on the execution. For example, I thought there was a lot of corny dialogue in Thor Ragnarok, but the way director presented it made it palatable (to most), same for some scenes in that movie.When Grace said, "There were some ideas during preproduction which would have been *disastrous* for this film, and I hope Patty Jenkins had the sense to take them out" I thought I heard Maxwell Lord's neck snapping.
Not totally on the Max train but for the new thread I just want to post these again...
I mean... Let's not pretend that there's not a little bit of resemblance to 80's Max Lord.
Also... Look at how Pascal looks and tell me you don't see the current POTUS?
Okay... Here's what Andy Helfner, JLI era editor wrote for a collected version of that time frame's Justice League which featured Max:
Again... Pascal is just a guy in a suit but, I don't know... The styling is pretty damn spot on for Max. I mean, if you were Jenkins and wanted to use this character and cast the part and had your costume and make up people use the JLI, Kevin Maguire era as a reference... Wouldn't what Pascal looks like be the result?
Ragnarok was played as a farce from the very first line, so you knew what you were in for, and it (kind of) worked because they had the guts to go all the way with it (totally over the top characters, Grand Master, Stone Guy, etc.) and the silliness was balanced by sorrow too great to bear (death of Odin, obliteration of Asgard, blinding of Thor).
So it was a recipe of extremes and kind of tasted ok as a whole.
I'm ok if WW1984 goes total farce: play the TV series theme song at the start, Circe casts an aging spell on Wonder Woman half way through, and Lynda Carter kicks butt in costume to the end. It's not the film people are asking for, but it could be serious fun, once you realize you're not getting a sequel to the first film.
My fear is that they are going half way, and it will not succeed as either genre: not over the top enough to be a farce, and not self respecting enough to be an epic drama (which the first film was).
VILLAIN: Rule the world? No, the world is perfect for my needs just as it is. I couldn't improve it.
Countries talk of international goodwill, then conspire against each other.
Me, I am just a simple profiteer. I go to one country and I say: "Look, your neighbor's got a gun." And I sell him a cannon.
Then I go to the first country-
DIANA: And you say, "Your neighbors have a cannon." And you sell them a bomb.
VILLAIN: Yes! Isn't it glorious?
And then after they blow each other half out of existence, I sell them food. For famine always follows war.
And medicine, for disease always follows famine.
War, pestilence, famine and disease.
No, the world is perfect just as it is. I wouldn't change a hair. I love it!
Right on all counts, which is why Maxwell Lord should not be in WW1984. And yet, there he is.Put it this way, the character would have no heft to him. His main character arc would have never happened and the story that leads to his death would never have happened either.
Patty was hyper focused on the tone of the first film; in particular she wanted to avoid the self-aware winking at the audience which most comicbook movies have. She nailed the tone of the first film, and everyone loved it. And it was a lesson to WB, who has had such a hard time setting the tone of their comicbook movies.most superheroes are middle of the road between silly and serious
Patty was hyper focused on the tone of the first film; in particular she wanted to avoid the self-aware winking at the audience which most comicbook movies have. She nailed the tone of the first film, and everyone loved it. And it was a lesson to WB, who has had such a hard time setting the tone of their comicbook movies.
So it makes perfect sense for Patty to abandon said tone for the second film. Apparently.