You Must Be Kidding Me? What's Up The The Butt Of The U.s.?

[War Lord]

China wouldn't dare atack Japan. They know that Japan is our ally. Weather they think they could win it or not, they know that a war with the U.S. could ultimately result in the deaths of millions.

why do you think China is building up militarily? They want to make it impossible for the US to defend anybody in the Asian Pacific, whether it be Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Vietnam, or whoever.

 

[War Lord]

By your reasoning, Abraham Lincoln should have let the South become an independent country as well.

Taiwan was not and never part of China. The Taiwanese government was the original government of China, until they were forced to flee from China unto that island to set up a different government.

 

[blind_fury]

Actually it isn't 100,000 people. www.iraqibodycount.org has it at around 40,000 tops and most of them were because of the terrorists there, not the US and the allies. Considering it's been 3 years, since the start of the war, it's still a far cry short of how many probably would have been killed under Saddaam, who killed at least a million during his reign of terror.

Saddam didn't kill a million people. That's blatant Republican propoganda.

 

[raybia]

So just because China wants to keep soveriegnty over Taiwan they can't have a decent military? That's like saying the US can't have a large military because we have questionable motivations in the middle east(oil in Iraq ).

Excellent.

Also what gives the U.S. the authority to dictate to China and other countries? Well it certainly isn't having the moral high ground.

Well among other things, its having more weapons. So is there any wonder why the U.S. is concerned about China's military build up?

 

[The Question]

Actually it isn't 100,000 people. www.iraqibodycount.org has it at around 40,000 tops and most of them were because of the terrorists there, not the US and the allies. Considering it's been 3 years, since the start of the war, it's still a far cry short of how many probably would have been killed under Saddaam, who killed at least a million during his reign of terror.

Let's see:



One million in 30 years.

40,000 in three years.


Yeah, percentage wise, I think the body count since the war started is worse. And the thing is, the insurgency wouldn't have happened if we never entered Iraq. Saddam, as horrible as he was, created order in Iraq. People, for the nost part, could walk down the street and not be afraid. Now, we've taken away that strong sense of order that's been around for longer than a good chunk of the population has been alive. That creates chaos. You can't just go to a military dictatorship that's been the way it has been for over 30 years, destroy it's government, and say "Hey, you're free." That only makes things worse.

 

[War Lord]

So just because China wants to keep soveriegnty over Taiwan they can't have a decent military? That's like saying the US can't have a large military because we have questionable motivations in the middle east(oil in Iraq ).

It was never about oil and you know it. If it had been, it would have been easier to make a deal with Saddaam. The fact that the US immediately gave sovereignty of the oil to the Iraqi government is proof of that.

 

[TheSumOfGod]

Saddam didn't kill a million people. That's blatant Republican propoganda.

Yeah, he only raped and tortured some of them.

 

[The Question]

why do you think China is building up militarily? They want to make it impossible for the US to defend anybody in the Asian Pacific, whether it be Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Vietnam, or whoever.

If we went to war with China, the body counts on both sides would be nearing the millions. Chinba would never be stupid enough to risk that.

 

[TheSumOfGod]

It was never about oil and you know it. If it had been, it would have been easier to make a deal with Saddaam. The fact that the US immediately gave sovereignty of the oil to the Iraqi government is proof of that.

Yeah, it was really about re-conquering what was once Ancient Sumeria, as the Illuminati and their reptilian Anunnaki masters demanded.

 

[TheSumOfGod]

(music) "Everybody wants to rule the world..."

 

[blind_fury]

why do you think China is building up militarily? They want to make it impossible for the US to defend anybody in the Asian Pacific, whether it be Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Vietnam, or whoever.

Unlike the US, China hasn't attacked anyone They have more credibility than we do!

 

[War Lord]

Saddam didn't kill a million people. That's blatant Republican propoganda.

Right.

DOING the arithmetic is an imprecise venture. The largest number of deaths attributable to Mr. Hussein's regime resulted from the war between Iraq and Iran between 1980 and 1988, which was launched by Mr. Hussein. Iraq says its own toll was 500,000, and Iran's reckoning ranges upward of 300,000. Then there are the casualties in the wake of Iraq's 1990 occupation of Kuwait. Iraq's official toll from American bombing in that war is 100,000 — surely a gross exaggeration — but nobody contests that thousands of Iraqi soldiers and civilians were killed in the American campaign to oust Mr. Hussein's forces from Kuwait. In addition, 1,000 Kuwaitis died during the fighting and occupation in their country.

Casualties from Iraq's gulag are harder to estimate. Accounts collected by Western human rights groups from Iraqi émigrés and defectors have suggested that the number of those who have "disappeared" into the hands of the secret police, never to be heard from again, could be 200,000. As long as Mr. Hussein remains in power, figures like these will be uncheckable, but the huge toll is palpable nonetheless.

The Free Republic is not exactly a Conservative site.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/830317/posts

This article is from 2003.

 

[War Lord]

Unlike the US, China hasn't attacked anyone They have more credibility than we do!

They are building up until they are able to attack.

 

[War Lord]

If we went to war with China, the body counts on both sides would be nearing the millions. Chinba would never be stupid enough to risk that.

Not yet, but China believes that they can forcibly push the US out around 2030 or so.

 

[blind_fury]

It was never about oil and you know it. If it had been, it would have been easier to make a deal with Saddaam. The fact that the US immediately gave sovereignty of the oil to the Iraqi government is proof of that.

You don't seem to understand how imperialism works these days.

 

[War Lord]

Let's see:



One million in 30 years.

40,000 in three years.


Yeah, percentage wise, I think the body count since the war started is worse. And the thing is, the insurgency wouldn't have happened if we never entered Iraq. Saddam, as horrible as he was, created order in Iraq. People, for the nost part, could walk down the street and not be afraid. Now, we've taken away that strong sense of order that's been around for longer than a good chunk of the population has been alive. That creates chaos. You can't just go to a military dictatorship that's been the way it has been for over 30 years, destroy it's government, and say "Hey, you're free." That only makes things worse.

The good thing, by your priority on order, is that Saddaam was able to systematically kill at least 500,000 of his people in the gulags.

The Iraqi people are safer now than they ever have been, despite the car bombings and terrorist attacks.

 

[War Lord]

You don't seem to understand how imperialism works these days.

You're welcome to explain how a free market for everybody contributes to imperialism.

 

[raybia]

Taiwan was not and never part of China. The Taiwanese government was the original government of China, until they were forced to flee from China unto that island to set up a different government.

So what? Puerto Rico was never a part of the U.S. nor was Alaska, Hawaii or the southwestern states. Hell this entire country belong to someone else and right now we are illegally occupying a foriegn land, setting up a puppet government and exploiting the land for its natural resources. Hey land gets taken, deal with it.

If the U.S. and the west didn't have an economic benefit from Taiwan we would give a damn about them and thats the truth.

So now that China wants to play the Imperialism game as the U.S. and the Western white boy's club you want to make a morality issue about it?

I guess its ok for the western world but as soon as some non-white country who won't allow itself to be exploited by the west begins to play the same game they must be stopped.

The Matrix has you.

 

[raybia]

They are building up until they are able to attack.

Yeah and Iraq has WMD.

 

[TheSumOfGod]

So what? Puerto Rico was never a part of the U.S. nor was Alaska, Hawaii or the southwestern states. Hell this entire country belong to someone else and right now we are illegally occupying a foriegn land, setting up a puppet government and exploiting the land for its natural resources. Hey land gets taken, deal with it.

If the U.S. and the west didn't have an economic benefit from Taiwan we would give a damn about them and thats the truth.

So now that China wants to play the Imperialism game as the U.S. and the Western white boy's club you want to make a morality issue about it?

I guess its ok for the western world but as soon as some non-white country who won't allow itself to be exploited by the west begins to play the same game they must be stopped.

The Matrix has you.

As Chris Rock said: "It's all right, 'cause it's all WHITE!"

 

[raybia]

Not yet, but China believes that they can forcibly push the US out around 2030 or so.

And how long has the U.S. been forcibly pushing other countries out?

(and forcing third world countries into free trade agreements?)

 

[War Lord]

So what? Puerto Rico was never a part of the U.S. nor was Alaska, Hawaii or the southwestern states. Hell this entire country belong to someone else and right now we are illegally occupying a foriegn land, setting up a puppet government and exploiting the land for its natural resources. Hey land gets taken, deal with it.

If the U.S. and the west didn't have an economic benefit from Taiwan we would give a damn about them and thats the truth.

So now that China wants to play the Imperialism game as the U.S. and the Western white boy's club you want to make a morality issue about it?

I guess its ok for the western world but as soon as some non-white country who won't allow itself to be exploited by the west begins to play the same game they must be stopped.

The Matrix has you.

Puerto Rico is not part of the US, they could ask the US to leave anytime.

Alaska or the Southern states were not forced to be part of the US originally.

I googled Taiwan and we're not getting much from them. They are productive on their own right.

I'm amazed how consistent Leftists are in ignoring the plight of those under dictatorship and how they keep blaming the free for those dicatorships.

 

[War Lord]

And how long has the U.S. been forcibly pushing other countries out?

(and forcing third world countries into free trade agreements?)

Oh no!!

Forcing people to be enabled to sell their goods and services in the US at a fair price.

Oh how terrible!!!

It's far better to keep them out with protectionist legislation.

 

[War Lord]

Yeah and Iraq has WMD.

That hasn't been disproven. Thanks to the UN, Saddaam had a good year to hide or transport the stuff.

 

[blind_fury]

Right.

DOING the arithmetic is an imprecise venture. The largest number of deaths attributable to Mr. Hussein's regime resulted from the war between Iraq and Iran between 1980 and 1988, which was launched by Mr. Hussein. Iraq says its own toll was 500,000, and Iran's reckoning ranges upward of 300,000. Then there are the casualties in the wake of Iraq's 1990 occupation of Kuwait. Iraq's official toll from American bombing in that war is 100,000 — surely a gross exaggeration — but nobody contests that thousands of Iraqi soldiers and civilians were killed in the American campaign to oust Mr. Hussein's forces from Kuwait. In addition, 1,000 Kuwaitis died during the fighting and occupation in their country.

Casualties from Iraq's gulag are harder to estimate. Accounts collected by Western human rights groups from Iraqi émigrés and defectors have suggested that the number of those who have "disappeared" into the hands of the secret police, never to be heard from again, could be 200,000. As long as Mr. Hussein remains in power, figures like these will be uncheckable, but the huge toll is palpable nonetheless.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/830317/posts

This article is from 2003.

real nice source ya got there champ!

OMG! You're counting the deaths of soldiers in the Iraq-Iran war??? So I guess America should be put on trail for war crimes for the millions of deaths during the Vietnam War.

We went into Iraq because Saddam had WMD's. If Bush was really a humanitarian he would've intervened in the Congo war inwhich millions died. But he didn't did he. Why? Not that much oil down there. Sad but true.