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^Maybe the article you read was an old one? Raimi is going to direct SM4.
Co-sign. I have faith in Raimi, but I hope he's learned from his mistakes.This is good and bad.
Good because he will tell a story that he is comfortable with and will have a passion for. That is good, because it was obvious that he didn't give a damn about the Stacey's in this film, because he didn't feel that they belonged. Partially so with Brock, though he was slightly more important.
Bad, because he was the one who made Flint Marko the killer of Uncle Ben. He also wouldn't let Peter go fully dark when he was in the black suit. Spider-man: The Animated Series and Spectacular Spider-man did a darker depiction of the black suited Spider-man/Symbiote Peter than a PG-13 film was able to deliver....that's not right.
Kids could have accepted a dark Peter and we really could have seen the city grow to hate him, see his family/friends question why he's wearing the suit. This would have made the moment when he went back to wear the red suite in the 3rd act that much more epic....and it would have been more redeeming. Instead, the kids saw a guy that likes to dance get angry a few times.....and eat cookies. This was Rami's creative control, too.
Then again, he didn't fully understand the whole symbiote suit thing anyway....
If he makes it like Spider-man and Spider-man 2, I think we'll be fine.
-R
Link: http://blogs.coventrytelegraph.net/thegeekfiles/2009/03/raimi-i-will-have-total-creati.html
Yes! Avi Arad can keep his nose out of this one.
I think even with the best writers in the world, SM3 with that much stuff still wouldn't of worked. I mean, how can you balance all those things.
I bet the original outline or script was damn stronger. God, I would love to read it, even if it was an outline.
You know, I love the job Raimi did with Spidey 1 and 2. I even enjoyed 3 for sheer entertainment value, but he CANNOT blame SM3's shortcomings on studio interference. At the end of the day, he and his doctor brother wrote a lazily-convenient, overstuffed script with more weak threads than an irregular sweater and more holes than swiss cheese. For God's sake, they introduced a freaking ASTRONAUT in the previous movie and they can't think of anything better than "symbiote lands, attaches itself to Peter's scooter"!? They only creative mistake the studio may have made was pushing Sam too hard. 3 epic movies in 5 years? I'm glad he got a vacation, hired a writer, and admitted the mistakes of the 3rd. If 4 can be half as good as 2, it will be gold. That is all...
I agree, with all the material crammed into SM3, it was in trouble. However, Raimi still holds quite a bit of that blame from me. For one reason,
He should have realized that, and planned accordingly.
The studio said he had to have Venom. Raimi didn't like that, but that's the way it works, and he had to accommodate. What he should have done however, was look at the script and realize, "Uh oh, there's too many players in the ball park here."
Now, he knew he had to finish up the Goblin arc, and he knew he had to have Venom...so, what he should have done, was cut Sandman, and used the extra screen time to make Venom a more developed character.
Now yes, I know Raimi doesn't like Venom, but I don't think that's a good excuse at all. You don't like him? Fine, you should have done something to make him more interesting! But instead, Raimi introduced a third villian that didn't need to be there, and tacked on a backstory to that villian that never had anything like that to begin with. It left me scratching my head, and wondering "why don't you do that to Venom?" Don't sit there and complain about how he's uniteresting and then give him the bare bones treatment! Do something about it!
Instead, Raimi just trugged ahead and shoved in the characters he still wanted, which in turn hurt the movie. He should have swallowed his pride and tried to do what was best for the movie itself.
I agree, with all the material crammed into SM3, it was in trouble. However, Raimi still holds quite a bit of that blame from me. For one reason,
He should have realized that, and planned accordingly.
The studio said he had to have Venom. Raimi didn't like that, but that's the way it works, and he had to accommodate. What he should have done however, was look at the script and realize, "Uh oh, there's too many players in the ball park here."
Now, he knew he had to finish up the Goblin arc, and he knew he had to have Venom...so, what he should have done, was cut Sandman, and used the extra screen time to make Venom a more developed character.
Now yes, I know Raimi doesn't like Venom, but I don't think that's a good excuse at all. You don't like him? Fine, you should have done something to make him more interesting! But instead, Raimi introduced a third villian that didn't need to be there, and tacked on a backstory to that villian that never had anything like that to begin with. It left me scratching my head, and wondering "why don't you do that to Venom?" Don't sit there and complain about how he's uniteresting and then give him the bare bones treatment! Do something about it!
Instead, Raimi just trugged ahead and shoved in the characters he still wanted, which in turn hurt the movie. He should have swallowed his pride and tried to do what was best for the movie itself.
I agree!I agree, with all the material crammed into SM3, it was in trouble. However, Raimi still holds quite a bit of that blame from me. For one reason,
He should have realized that, and planned accordingly.
The studio said he had to have Venom. Raimi didn't like that, but that's the way it works, and he had to accommodate. What he should have done however, was look at the script and realize, "Uh oh, there's too many players in the ball park here."
Now, he knew he had to finish up the Goblin arc, and he knew he had to have Venom...so, what he should have done, was cut Sandman, and used the extra screen time to make Venom a more developed character.
Now yes, I know Raimi doesn't like Venom, but I don't think that's a good excuse at all. You don't like him? Fine, you should have done something to make him more interesting! But instead, Raimi introduced a third villian that didn't need to be there, and tacked on a backstory to that villian that never had anything like that to begin with. It left me scratching my head, and wondering "why don't you do that to Venom?" Don't sit there and complain about how he's uniteresting and then give him the bare bones treatment! Do something about it!
Instead, Raimi just trugged ahead and shoved in the characters he still wanted, which in turn hurt the movie. He should have swallowed his pride and tried to do what was best for the movie itself.
^Nice picture/animation! Where did you get it?
I agree, with all the material crammed into SM3, it was in trouble. However, Raimi still holds quite a bit of that blame from me. For one reason,
He should have realized that, and planned accordingly.
The studio said he had to have Venom. Raimi didn't like that, but that's the way it works, and he had to accommodate. What he should have done however, was look at the script and realize, "Uh oh, there's too many players in the ball park here."
Now, he knew he had to finish up the Goblin arc, and he knew he had to have Venom...so, what he should have done, was cut Sandman, and used the extra screen time to make Venom a more developed character.
Now yes, I know Raimi doesn't like Venom, but I don't think that's a good excuse at all. You don't like him? Fine, you should have done something to make him more interesting! But instead, Raimi introduced a third villian that didn't need to be there, and tacked on a backstory to that villian that never had anything like that to begin with. It left me scratching my head, and wondering "why don't you do that to Venom?" Don't sit there and complain about how he's uniteresting and then give him the bare bones treatment! Do something about it!
Instead, Raimi just trugged ahead and shoved in the characters he still wanted, which in turn hurt the movie. He should have swallowed his pride and tried to do what was best for the movie itself.
I agree, with all the material crammed into SM3, it was in trouble. However, Raimi still holds quite a bit of that blame from me. For one reason,
He should have realized that, and planned accordingly.
The studio said he had to have Venom. Raimi didn't like that, but that's the way it works, and he had to accommodate. What he should have done however, was look at the script and realize, "Uh oh, there's too many players in the ball park here."
Now, he knew he had to finish up the Goblin arc, and he knew he had to have Venom...so, what he should have done, was cut Sandman, and used the extra screen time to make Venom a more developed character.
Now yes, I know Raimi doesn't like Venom, but I don't think that's a good excuse at all. You don't like him? Fine, you should have done something to make him more interesting! But instead, Raimi introduced a third villian that didn't need to be there, and tacked on a backstory to that villian that never had anything like that to begin with. It left me scratching my head, and wondering "why don't you do that to Venom?" Don't sit there and complain about how he's uniteresting and then give him the bare bones treatment! Do something about it!
Instead, Raimi just trugged ahead and shoved in the characters he still wanted, which in turn hurt the movie. He should have swallowed his pride and tried to do what was best for the movie itself.
Of course no. They wouldn't risk losing or firing a director who brought them more than 1.5 billion dollars within 3 years. If he was more strong willed, he'd have refused if he knew he wouldn't do a good job.i still think that if raimi would say '' NO VENOM'' they wouldnt push him. he himself said that they are friends with AVI ARAD and he listened to him.
I think even with the best writers in the world, SM3 with that much stuff still wouldn't of worked. I mean, how can you balance all those things.
I bet the original outline or script was damn stronger. God, I would love to read it, even if it was an outline.
That, I can't agree on.
The novelization, the ENTIRE thing, would've been glorious to watch on screen. It spread out the characters perfectly and neatly.
I think he did realize it, that's why he wasn't as committed. He still wanted the villain he wanted, I mean in terms of comittment, he was interested in the Peter/Sandman forgiveness story from the beginning, and removing that wouldn't make him as committed. So I think he had to accomodate some. It's not that simple saying, "Okay, that's too much, let's change it." Especially to producers who are your boss, I mean, Raimi probably did realize it, but that wasn't apart of what he wanted. I know Sam is classy enough not to name names, but if a producer has his/her say over something, then there it is, which baffles me all of a sudden the producers are barking requests to Raimi while the other two films went smoothly. He knew this, he knew there were too many characters, if he realizes that, does that make him a bad director? He really didn't have a choice from what it seems. I just give him credit for including a villain that he disliked and put him in for us.
I mean think about it, if Avi and Laura said, "Put Gwen or Venom in." How do you of think what would of happened if Sam said "No?" You can argue that Sam needed to just straight up say no, but you need to put yourself in the position of him. What would you of done? SM3 doesn't make him a bad director, and all of a sudden people want him out becaus of, I do agree that he needs ot make some changes (ie, the capture of MJ all the time) but he still made SM1 and SM2, and among that other great films.