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[Orphix]

I'll have to look it up, I'll get back to you. It was during promotion for TIH and IM1 mostly from what I remember.

Last I heard all these films take place in the year they are released with the exception of Captain America and the after credits scenes. Why? Because it's easier to say that and move on. Nobody harps on the exact dates because they aren't important to the story. So if you follow that train of thought, none of them will match up precisely. I don't think the filmmakers put that much effort into a completely linear story.

Why did they use a 2010 newspaper in Iron Man 2? Because it was readily available in 2010. Why did they use a 2008 newspaper in The Incredible Hulk? Because it was readily available. I'm pretty sure 99% of people who watch these movies aren't trying to match things up by day and date, because there are too many discrepancies.

All that matters is the basic "before, after, during" events, not actual dates. So utilizing the comic book tie-ins, random props and comparisons to real world events are unnecessary effort because they won't match up.

Even in Captain America they say we fought for a few years. Some people involved with production gave precise dates and some didn't, but it doesn't affect the story whatsoever because we aren't seeing real world events as a comparison.

I have to say that I am pretty much in agreement - to a point. But since the pre-production of IM2 I think some very structured planning has taken place - including allocating years to dates. Simply because there are enough references to passages of time.

We know that IM2 takes place about 6 months after IM because it says tells us at the beginning after the credit sequence.

Also, interestingly enough, there has been references that suggest The Avengers takes place some two years after the previous films. If this is true it would kind of support both are arguments. Yours, because that would make the film set in 2012 (the films release year) and mine, because that would make the previous films taking place in 2010.

 

[mara]

Yeah I hope it's alot more destructive and explosive than their fight at the end of THOR, I want to see alot of lightning uses and magical attacks.

Yes! My thoughts exactly! A bit of everything to show just how powerful these two are etc.

 

[T"Challa]

Read my above comment, it wouldn't have been prudent to tell him he was on death's door if he wanted him to be focused.

Also, how do we know that Fury knew exactly what he was after? All he knew was that he needed Stark to finish his father's work. All the science stuff is clearly above his head.

And maybe it's not yet named in the MCU, so calling it Vibranium wouldn't fit in with continuity yet. Howard couldnt' create it himself so he probably didn't name a failed experiment.

I might have to double check but didn't Howard mention vibranium in the scene in TFA where Cap first discovers the shield?

 

[Endeavor]

I don't think Fury knew the exact msg that Stark left for Tony ("Hey son, here's this new element I want you to create"). He just knew that Howard had confidence his son would be able to take the arc reactor technology to the next step. Fury knowing that the atomic composition of the element was hidden in the expo model takes away from Tony having figured it out, and it also makes him a *****e for not telling the guy: "here, look at the clues in this model because it might help you save your life".

If in Avengers they reveal the element does turn out to be Vibranium, fine, it won't bother me. But there's no evidence in what we've seen so far that suggests it is or that anybody in Shield knew that it was Vibranium that was needed to make the arc reactor complete.

 

[mara]

where's that comic at? I'm on comixology and i don't see it

In Marvel's app on itunes.

 

[Poni_Boy]

I have to say that I am pretty much in agreement - to a point. But since the pre-production of IM2 I think some very structured planning has taken place - including allocating years to dates. Simply because there are enough references to passages of time.

We know that IM2 takes place about 6 months after IM because it says tells us at the beginning after the credit sequence.

Also, interestingly enough, there has been references that suggest The Avengers takes place some two years after the previous films. If this is true it would kind of support both are arguments. Yours, because that would make the film set in 2012 (the films release year) and mine, because that would make the previous films taking place in 2010.

Stop thinking of it in precise linear time because that apparently does not exist in the MCU. All that seems to matter is before, during or after. "Six month" "two years" is in reference to the MCU timeline that does not follow ours. It's a fictitious method of measuring the events. That's why you have a TV news report in TIH that dates 2008 and a newspaper headline in IM2 that dates 2010 even though they take place rather simultaneously.

 

[Scarlettess]

wow this thread is moving fast tonight. New Loki pics, and the thoer pics on that site look great, also I want to see Thor and Loki actually have a BIG battle of both words and actions.

 

[metaphysician]

Whose to say it can't be both? Vibranium could be a metal(?) used in the creation of the Tesseract.

 

[BigThor]

Yes! My thoughts exactly! A bit of everything to show just how powerful these two are etc.

Exactly, I'd also love to see them knock each other through a few buildings during the course of the battle.

 

[Poni_Boy]

I might have to double check but didn't Howard mention vibranium in the scene in TFA where Cap first discovers the shield?

You may be right, that scene annoys me to no end so I usually fast forward through it

Either way, I'm about 99.9% sure the Vibranium from CA:TFA is the same element referenced in IM2 and will be further expanded upon in other MCU films

 

[Poni_Boy]

Whose to say it can't be both? Vibranium could be a metal(?) used in the creation of the Tesseract.

It very well could be since the Vibranium deposit in Wakanda is nothing more than a meteor.

My only issue with this is that we haven't been given anything that leads to this suspicion and I try to leave my rationalizations to only the fact and allusions that are there.

 

[mara]

wow this thread is moving fast tonight. New Loki pics, and the thoer pics on that site look great, also I want to see Thor and Loki actually have a BIG battle of both words and actions.

Exactly, I'd also love to see them knock each other through a few buildings during the course of the battle.

EPIC battle! lol That word is over used but fitting here, couldn't help myself! Anyway....Can't wait for this! Is it May yet??!!

BTW does anyone have any idea how the tesseract ended up on Earth to begin with? I mean it was in Odin's vault so what could possibly have happened?

 

[Polux]

Hey guys, this is kinda off-topic, but anyways...

So, my super awesome girlfriend said she wanted to watch all of the Marvel films with me before goin to the midnight opening for The Avengers (because she knows how important it is for me and because she watched and liked both Iron Man 1 and Thor); so, I was thinking, what would be the proper adequate chronological order for someone who doesn't know the MCU?? I mean, of course Captain America comes first; but I think it might spoil certain things about the "future" MCU films, I'm not sure...

So I think in order to make a more thrilling and engaging experience for her, the correct order would be:

- Iron Man 1
- Iron Man 2
- The Incredible Hulk
- Thor
- Captain American (since, as part of a whole, kinda serves like a "flashback" too)

What do you guys think??


Polux

 

[Chewy]

Just show them in the order they came out

 

[Endeavor]

- Iron Man 1
- Iron Man 2
- The Incredible Hulk
- Thor
- Captain American

Polux

That order looks good to me.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Just show them in the order they came out

That makes the most sense since it's the order Marvel Studios indents for you to watch them:

Iron Man
The Incredible Hulk
Iron Man 2
Thor
Captain America

 

[sabetoonth]

Could you guys imagine what things might have been like if Thor was released first? How different things could be?
EDIT: Or any of the films other than Iron Man

 

[jaqua99]

I rather like this one....wish it were bigger.
Anyone ever figure out what that blue gem is?

Damn, now THAT is Loki.

 

[Danalys]

i think the new element was cube related. howard's research would have been cube focused from it's discovery. vibranium may even be a known element in the MCU scientific community but just rare. things we know about the cube fury describes it as power to selvig. things we know about the element howard called it the key to the future of energy production. things we know about vibranium it's rare and absorbs vibration. one doesn't fit with the others.

if that's correct then tony probably didn't just swap palladium for the new element but made a new arc reactor concept around the new material.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Could you guys imagine what things might have been like if Thor was released first? How different things could be?
EDIT: Or any of the films other than Iron Man

If things had gone according to plan pre-Disney merger it would have been:

Iron Man
The Incredible Hulk
Thor
Ant-Man
Iron Man 2
Captain America
The Avengers

 

[Danalys]

That makes the most sense since it's the order Marvel Studios indents for you to watch them:

Iron Man
The Incredible Hulk
Iron Man 2
Thor
Captain America

then they can be in on the game of figuring out what happens when.

 

[Endeavor]

Has anybody thought how all this trouble with the Cube places Zola as a badass super scientist?
I mean think about it, he was able to make the Cube work for Red Skull back in the 1940's, yet decades later, Shield hasn't been able to replicate his work.
I wonder if they have plans to include him in future movies.

 

[Poni_Boy]

i think the new element was cube related. howard's research would have been cube focused from it's discovery. vibranium may even be a known element in the MCU scientific community but just rare. things we know about the cube fury describes it as power to selvig. things we know about the element howard called it the key to the future of energy production. things we know about vibranium it's rare and absorbs vibration. one doesn't fit with the others.

if that's correct then tony probably didn't just swap palladium for the new element but made a new arc reactor concept around the new material.

I think the element, the cube and a few other things are all related. MS likes to tie everything together in the long run

 

[Danalys]

If things had gone according to plan pre-Disney merger it would have been:

Iron Man
The Incredible Hulk
Thor
Ant-Man
Iron Man 2
Captain America
The Avengers

you sure of that order. certainly wouldn't work now since ironman 2 teases thor.

 

[Poni_Boy]

Has anybody thought how all this trouble with the Cube places Zola as a badass super scientist?
I mean think about it, he was able to make the Cube work for Red Skull back in the 1940's, yet decades later, Shield hasn't been able to replicate his work.
I wonder if they have plans to include him in future movies.

As long as Zola comes back wearing that suit they teased in CA:TFA I don't care what he does