Ben Kingsley's return

[chaseter]

Well Joss can't say Iron Man 3 sucked.

 

[InternetPeople]

When Trevor "shoots" the accountant we are watching the reactions of the President and his staff but they could have been watching a close-up of Trevor and never see the body so they don't know if he is actually dead or not. That scene happened live so it's not like they could CGI anything. At least that's what I want to believe happened.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Yes, but when he said he loved it, he was answering a question about Avengers 2, and just said that out of the blue. I don't think he would have made it part of his answer if he didn't. Also, on the commentary, Shane said Joss reacted favorable to several scenes in the commentary (one of them being Pepper beating up Killian).

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

I think Marvel cares about the universe as much as they do the dollars. It's why they are letting Joss be the boss going forward. They care about the source material. If only Joss had been the boss before Iron Man 3 was being written. Shane wrote the screenplay and that's part of the issue.

So you're into the idea of Kingsley returning as Mandarin? How likely do you think it is at this point?

 

[metaphysician]

I think this is hilarious that all these ''respect the material'' and people come out and complain about The Mandarin and yet have nothing to say about Eric Savin.

Compared to the comics, he looked NOTHING like Coldblood and had none of the visible abilities and looks that the character had in the comics.

Not a peep from anyone. I guess it only applies to the important characters, right?

Forget Savin. Its epically hilarious hypocrisy that these people talk about "respect the material" about *the Mandarin*. . . because the guy played by Kingsley has nothing to do with the Mandarin of the comics.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

I have a lot to say about Coldblood actually. The character (as he was in the comics) is now wasted. No future potential to see the cyborg version of the character and I think that is a shame. Much the same story with Ellen Brandt and Jack Taggart both now dead in the MCU.

Why didn't they have Savin called Mallen instead and have the other Extremis volunteers be no names (because that's exactly what they were). I swear the same thing will likely happen to Batroc and Crossbones in CA:TWS. What a shame.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Crossbones I don't think will be wasted, but come on man, Batroc was never going to headline a Cap movie. There is no loss here. As for Coldblood and all them, once again...meh. I think there are better options. We still have MODOK, Titanium Man, and plenty of other threats for a recasted Iron Man to face.

 

[chaseter]

So you're into the idea of Kingsley returning as Mandarin? How likely do you think it is at this point?

I already answered that.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

I really wouldn't use any of those villains as a reasonable excuse as to why it was done that way....because they weren't that memorable.

Other than Bane, I'd say that's fair enough and agree, but regardless, Killian is still far from even having anywhere near of a "bad" death. Hell, it's poetic in a way, as he always creeped her out and wouldn't quit asking her out.

Well Joss can't say Iron Man 3 sucked.

Why exactly? Because Shane wouldn't appreciate it? I'm sure a man of Whedon's stature, who went out and said he didn't like ESB wouldn't be afraid to criticize IM3 if he felt the need to. Feige hated on Hulk, Black hated on IM2, Nolan (I think?) said something about the quality of Schumacher's Batman.

 

[Senator Pleasury]

Other than Bane, I'd say that's fair enough and agree, but regardless, Killian is still far from even having anywhere near of a "bad" death. Hell, it's poetic in a way, as he always creeped her out and wouldn't quit asking her out.

You find me new ways to hate that scene, N.E.

 

[Xeno]

Well Joss can't say Iron Man 3 sucked.

No, he can't, because it didn't.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

I already answered that.

Oh my bad man, sorry I asked. That was a totally reasonable response.

 

[Xeno]

Killian was defeated by Pepper Potts...chew on that for a minute everyone.

I liked it. A lot. I was mad earlier in the movie cuz i thought they just turned the best female Marvel character into just another damsel in distress but Black turned that trope on its head in the end and that pleased me to no end. Tony Stark has saved the world multiple times already and will probably do the same in upcoming movies. I'm not mad that Pepper got some limelight.

T"Challa nailed it. The final battle in IM3 was an epic of trope subversion, which is why some comic book fans hated how it went down.

 

[Green Goblin]

I'm really not trolling / trying to be a dick, but I hope that you aren't relying on them for backup of your own opinion...

I can not be bothered looking into all your claims about the Mandarin's history,

But they can and they seem to know more about it than me.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

I can not be bothered looking into all your claims about the Mandarin's history,

But they can and they seem to know more about it than me.

Then don't act like / say it betrays the spirit of the character if you don't know anything about it... That would be like me going on Wikipedia and looking up all the changes to a Black Panther movie from the comic and complaining.

You find me new ways to hate that scene, N.E.

 

[Green Goblin]

Why exactly? Because Shane wouldn't appreciate it? I'm sure a man of Whedon's stature, who went out and said he didn't like ESB wouldn't be afraid to criticize IM3 if he felt the need to. Feige hated on Hulk, Black hated on IM2, Nolan (I think?) said something about the quality of Schumacher's Batman.

But JW is employed by Marvel, anyone employed by a studio can not say anything negitave about an active project there.

It's like with Zimmer with MOS or TASM2. No matter what he actually thinks about these films he's not going to be critical of them in anyway.

 

[Green Goblin]

Then don't act like / say it betrays the spirit of the character if you don't know anything about it... That would be like me going on Wikipedia and looking up all the changes to a Black Panther movie from the comic and complaining.

I know enough that to see that the cinimatic portrayal is a bastardisation of how he has been portrayed for decades. We'll see how he compares to "Modern Potrayals"

Getting out good ol' google now...

 

[A Necessary Evil]

I know enough that to see that the cinimatic portrayal is a bastardisation of how he has been portrayed for decades. We'll see how he compares to "Modern Potrayals"

Getting out good ol' google now...

get this out

http://ronriii.tumblr.com/post/50492140064/aldrich-killian-is-the-mandarin

But JW is employed by Marvel, anyone employed by a studio can not say anything negitave about an active project there.

It's like with Zimmer with MOS or TASM2. No matter what he actually thinks about these films he's not going to be critical of them in anyway.

lol okay guess I didn't read it that well when Black criticized Iron Man 2, a movie made by Marvel.

 

[Green Goblin]

get this out

http://ronriii.tumblr.com/post/50492140064/aldrich-killian-is-the-mandarin



lol okay guess I didn't read it that well when Black criticized Iron Man 2, a movie made by Marvel.

I said active project lol.

It's like with Nolan and B&R. He is making a movie based on the same property with the last one being a disappointment. He wants to distance himself from it and show how his film will be better.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Obadiah Stane was an older guy who worked with Tony instead of being a rival businessman.
Whiplash is a combo of Whiplash and Crimson Dynamo.
Justin Hammer was a young guy and an idiot rather than an old guy and a menacing genius.
Coldblood is nothing like the comics except for the name, the same is true with Firepower.
It's not like the Mandarin is the first time that the films have deviated from the comics.

How dare you make people realise the MCU isn't as faithful to the comics as they belive.

I think Marvel cares about the universe as much as they do the dollars. It's why they are letting Joss be the boss going forward. They care about the source material. If only Joss had been the boss before Iron Man 3 was being written. Shane wrote the screenplay and that's part of the issue.

Isn't he changing Ultron from the source material?

 

[Loki882]

Yep, and Quicksilver, and Scarlet Witch.

 

[Human Torch]

No, the GENERAL AUDIENCE is the backbone of their operation. It was the GENERAL AUDIENCE who helped IM 3 make well over a billion dollars. It was the GENERAL AUDIENCE that did the same for the Avengers. The comic fans are a TINY fraction of that. If you make a movie that fans love, but the GA hates, then the movie will fail, period. If you make a movie that the GA loves, but is controversial among fans, it makes over a BILLION dollars, success.

This really has nothing to do with my point,which was Marvel isn't going to simply dismiss fan displeasure as "Who cares?We made our BILLION."

A good way to tick off the fanbase (which is larger than many like to believe),who sees the films multiple times (unlike the GENERAL AUDIENCE) is to simply give them something they don't want.Once that happens,you can kiss the SH genre goodbye.It won't survive without the fanbase being happy or getting continually disappointed.That's their backbone.

 

[metaphysician]

T"Challa nailed it. The final battle in IM3 was an epic of trope subversion, which is why some comic book fans hated how it went down.

Hammer on the nail. Honestly, between the reaction to the ending, combined with the calls for Pepper to die prior to the movie's release? I have a hard time arguing against some *major* misogynistic undercurrents.

 

[Mr. Dent]

According to sources, Marvel wants to make it up to fans so in the one shot, the REAL Mandarin is furious with Aldrich Killian and Ben Kingsley’s character Trevor Slattery for the mockery they made of the real Mandarin’s identity and legacy. The real Mandarin wants to set the record straight.

Yes, the REAL Mandarin.

How is he going to set the record straight? That I don’t know. Who is going to play the real Mandarin? Don’t know either. Wait and see. - El Mayimbe

It's Mayimbe so who knows.

 

[Loki882]

If they do bring in the "real" Mandarin, then either Chow Yun-fat or Ken Watanabe should play him.