Agent Carter Agent Carter - S01E06 "A Sin to Err"

[Six]

Maybe it was meant to be a young Wilson Fisk.

About 20 or so years too early but I got that impression too.

 

[<(o_o)>]

ABC is so silly with those commercials. As if the "girl power, she's sexy but she can punch" wasn't bad enough, they give us a version of the same thing with the new Agents of SHIELD commercial.

The episode itself was entertaining though. It's kind of funny that they've spent all that time making her get coffee, and now accept the fact that she can beat them all up and is a real threat. The only issue with that is...at some point they are going to have to forget that she is a capable employee and get her back in the coffee business where she is in that pesky one-shot.

We have to pretend that the one-shot doesn't exist.

 

[Vartha]

We have to pretend that the one-shot doesn't exist.

or at least the DATE on it lol

 

[Six]

Yeah I can't stand ABC. The show is good and all, but it would be so much better if I didn't have to put up with the stupid commercials and the stupid hashtags taking up half the screen.

 

[Vartha]

I have no issues here with them. Must be your local tv station

 

[OB12]

ABC is so silly with those commercials. As if the "girl power, she's sexy but she can punch" wasn't bad enough, they give us a version of the same thing with the new Agents of SHIELD commercial.

The episode itself was entertaining though. It's kind of funny that they've spent all that time making her get coffee, and now accept the fact that she can beat them all up and is a real threat. The only issue with that is...at some point they are going to have to forget that she is a capable employee and get her back in the coffee business where she is in that pesky one-shot.

That is a quirk. Maybe the only way to explain that is by the time the One-shot rolls around, there is a new chief (played by Bradley Whitford), so general turnover could keep her low on the totem pole. It's a stretch though.

 

[Loki882]

Poor Jarvis. I wonder just how many times he's gotten the **** slapped, kicked, punched, etc out of him because Howard cannot keep it in his pants for more than three minutes?

 

[TheLastAvenger]

Umm, so is that psychiatrist basically a Russian Doctor Faustus? Sure seems like it. Though, comic connection or not, Agent Yauch's death caught me massively off-guard. Between that and the flashback at the beginning has really shown Leviathan to be fricken' brutal, and I love it. While they had started to show that brutal side to Hydra in AoS, Leviathan is in many ways what I've been hoping Hydra would have always been.

Though seriously, how could those guys not realize something was up when they found Peggy unconscious with Dotty hovering over her? Peggy just got done whooping their asses and then she lands right in their lap, and they don't bother questioning why? They're definitely giving the SSR guys more layers, but they can still be absolute morons sometimes.

 

[cph9fa]

That is a quirk. Maybe the only way to explain that is by the time the One-shot rolls around, there is a new chief (played by Bradley Whitford), so general turnover could keep her low on the totem pole. It's a stretch though.

The biggest contradiction I see between the one shot and the TV show is that the OS clearly states that in her 3 months with the SSR, Peggy hed never been on an official field mission (and the following day she leaves the SSR to start SHIELD with Stark). That leaves no time for last week's Russian op.

 

[Loki882]

Umm, so is that psychiatrist basically a Russian Doctor Faustus? Sure seems like it. Though, comic connection or not, Agent Yauch's death caught me massively off-guard. Between that and the flashback at the beginning has really shown Leviathan to be fricken' brutal, and I love it. While they had started to show that brutal side to Hydra in AoS, Leviathan is in many ways what I've been hoping Hydra would have always been.

Though seriously, how could those guys not realize something was up when they found Peggy unconscious with Dotty hovering over her? Peggy just got done whooping their asses and then she lands right in their lap, and they don't bother questioning why? They're definitely giving the SSR guys more layers, but they can still be absolute morons sometimes.

Yeah, I was getting Doctor Faustus vibes from creepy Russian man as well. I was wondering if I was the only one? As for Peggy, I can buy that they bought Dottie's story of just stumbling across Peggy in that state. They have absolutely no reason to suspect Dottie of anything at this point. Heck they don't even know who she is.

 

[Loki882]

Also, does anyone else think that Anton Vanko will turn out to be heavily involved in this, if not the out and out main villain? He was name-dropped in the pilot, but hasn't been mentioned since. I wonder if they're waiting to spring that as a "big reveal."

 

[cph9fa]

Also, does anyone else think that Anton Vanko will turn out to be heavily involved in this, if not the out and out main villain? He was name-dropped in the pilot, but hasn't been mentioned since. I wonder if they're waiting to spring that as a "big reveal."

I doubt it. Stark and Vanko probably have many more years of partnership before their falling out.

 

[TheLastAvenger]

That is a quirk. Maybe the only way to explain that is by the time the One-shot rolls around, there is a new chief (played by Bradley Whitford), so general turnover could keep her low on the totem pole. It's a stretch though.

I don't see why anything needs to be explained. The One Shot was a pilot, and like many pilots, the continuity was overwritten when it's made into a series. I know many comic book fans like to harp on continuity, but this is kind of how TV works.

Yeah, I was getting Doctor Faustus vibes from creepy Russian man as well. I was wondering if I was the only one? As for Peggy, I can buy that they bought Dottie's story of just stumbling across Peggy in that state. They have absolutely no reason to suspect Dottie of anything at this point. Heck they don't even know who she is.

Well, I mean, Peggy did give them an entire lecture about how there was a female assassin out there, and yet with Dottie and Angie, the agents fall back into the old "they're women, they couldn't possibly be less innocent than they seem" and don't even question either of their stories. And they didn't necessarily have to figure out "Hey, this lady must be the assassin!" but they couldn't lock the building down until they figured out how this highly trained agent just fell into their laps? After all, it was their lack of asking questions and lax attitude that got that other agent killed earlier in the season, you'd think they would have learned their lesson by now.

 

[Heretic]

I'm hoping for some sort of world building aside from the Black Widow stuff. I'm not interested enough in the Peggy Carter character to just watch meaningless adventures that don't help build the MCU around her (especially considering that movies like Thor 2 seems to exist solely to build the world). It would be cool to deal with Vanko...or show some sort of development with Cap's blood that resurfaces in the present day.

 

[kedrell]

Another top notch episode. Very much liking how expectations are being subverted again and again here.

8.5-9/10

 

[Loki882]

They were there to catch Peggy. That was their big concern. I'm sure that they'll ask her about it next episode, but they probably didn't want to take the chance of her escaping yet again. Take her to HQ, and THEN go back and question people.

 

[Heretic]

I don't see why anything needs to be explained. The One Shot was a pilot, and like many pilots, the continuity was overwritten when it's made into a series. I know many comic book fans like to harp on continuity, but this is kind of how TV works.

The Blu Ray it was on was sold with the idea that the One Shot was in continuity. If the One Shots don't count, then none of them count. If they do count, then all of them count. If Marvel can't decide, then they should just stop making them (which, maybe they have).

 

[kedrell]

Maybe, he WAS in the Russian cell where the red room was after all.

Well it was pretty clear Leviathan lured the SSR to that place in Russia.

 

[kedrell]

I doubt it. Stark and Vanko probably have many more years of partnership before their falling out.

Yes, about 20-25 more years by the look of it. That would fit with the general time frame set up in IM1 & IM2.

 

[kedrell]

The Blu Ray it was on was sold with the idea that the One Shot was in continuity. If the One Shots don't count, then none of them count. If they do count, then all of them count. If Marvel can't decide, then they should just stop making them (which, maybe they have).

They can retroactively decide if some are or aren't in continuity. Nothing says they can't, especially if it's to make room for something bigger and better like this miniseries.

 

[C. Lee]

ABC is so silly with those commercials. As if the "girl power, she's sexy but she can punch" wasn't bad enough, they give us a version of the same thing with the new Agents of SHIELD commercial.

Yeah....I hates it when dey tries to get guhrls to watch our shows...

 

[TheLastAvenger]

The Blu Ray it was on was sold with the idea that the One Shot was in continuity. If the One Shots don't count, then none of them count. If they do count, then all of them count. If Marvel can't decide, then they should just stop making them (which, maybe they have).

It was part of the continuity...until it wasn't. Again, I don't see why that's such a hard concept to grasp. If the pilot had never become a series, then that would have been canon. Once it became a series however, the pilot was no longer canon.

The One-Shot was the framework from which this series was built. As like most frames, once you build on top of it, that framework gets buried in favor of something more substantive.

 

[Heretic]

Yeah....I hates it when dey tries to get guhrls to watch our shows...

How about just writing great characters who happen to be female, and then telling the audience that these characters exist? But no...ABC went with the "sexy girls who can actually fight!...LIKE MEN!" line of promotion. The girls I know don't appreciate the fact that networks and movie studios do that and actually think that type of thing is insulting and it doesn't make them more likely to watch.

 

[Heretic]

It was part of the continuity...until it wasn't. Again, I don't see why that's such a hard concept to grasp. If the pilot had never become a series, then that would have been canon. Once it became a series however, the pilot was no longer canon.

The One-Shot was the framework from which this series was built. As like most frames, once you build on top of it, that framework gets buried in favor of something more substantive.

Because reality doesn't happen, then cease to have ever happened. When creating a movie, you are asking me to suspend my disbelief and invest in the world you're giving me. Later telling me that some of the stuff I saw didn't happen destroys that. For all we know, Coulson IS dead and the tv show doesn't count...and I don't like the fact that Marvel is capable of doing that kind of thing. If you release it, it should count.

 

[JJmelo]

Because reality doesn't happen, then cease to have ever happened. When creating a movie, you are asking me to suspend my disbelief and invest in the world you're giving me. Later telling me that some of the stuff I saw didn't happen destroys that. For all we know, Coulson IS dead and the tv show doesn't count...and I don't like the fact that Marvel is capable of doing that kind of thing. If you release it, it should count.

Fazekas and Butters have gone on record saying that the One-Shot can be considered the end point of the Agent Carter series.

Here are my full thoughts on tonight's episode:
http://otlnews.net/2015/02/10/agent-carter-review-s1-ep-6-a-sin-to-err/