I was speaking to the preferences of the writers themselves who have spoken openly about their affection for the Lois/Superman romance. Also, to be clear, I said nothing about these creators supporting a Superman/Lois marriage. These creators like the Superman/Lois romance in its many forms. Morrison, for example, prefers Superman and Lois explored through the triangle-for-two. But it doesn't matter if these two are constantly dancing around each other or happily ever after. The vast majority of Superman creators prefer Lois Lane as Superman's love interest. Finally, again, I have to reiterate that I am not asking you to alter your preferences. However, in your previous post, you suggested that preferring Superman/Lois was a mark of imperfection.
In my opinion yeah, but it's just my opinion.
Clark was a spineless coward. What else do you call a man who allows his date to be sexually harassed by a mobster? Clark understood Lois's criticism of his alter ego and cheered her on when she fought back.
Didn't say he wasn't but so bluntly calling him out on it is rude IMO, she could've simply walked off without speaking to him, which would've served to highlight her distaste of him just as effectively.
That's all she did? If that's all she did, then all she did was save Superman because that is what the headline reads. And, once again, Lois wasn't marginalized in the Silver Age. She was so popular that she appeared in all of the regular Superman comics in addition to having a top-selling title of her own! Lois shined many times throughout the Silver Age.
Yeah that's all she did! She appeared regularly but in a marginal capacity and she added nothing to the story.
Lois Lane's role in comics was dictated and limited by the her cultural milieu. If stories emphasized romance and marriage, it was because that was how society constrained women in the 1960s. But Lois still pushed against those limits by not only working in a male-dominated profession, but also by demanding respect and moving away from the domestic sphere to expand her skills or take risks for the sake of justice. By the 1970s, Lois had evolved along with the women's movement. Lois Lane's trajectory in comics is something that should be celebrated for representing the role of women in society from the 1930s to today.
Doesn't change the fact that all she did was needing to be rescued and trying to nab superman, totally useless.
Rampant idiocy?! Not only was Lois constantly trying to prove Clark was Superman because Superman's efforts to put her off the idea never worked (hence the repeated attempts), but we're talking about Lois posing a genuine challenge to Superman. The lengths he had to go to in order to introduce some doubt into Lois's mind were extensive. I'd hardly say that it was rare to see Lois playing more than a love interest or damsel role. I've found enough examples in my reading of her sharing information, making sacrifices, and kicking butt to know that Lois was just as likely to be seen making a difference as she was seen rescued or romancing Superman.
Yeah rampant idiocy is right, when her life's mission (apart from trying to marry superman) was to expose him and she still couldn't prove that superman and clark are one and the same despite the fact that she interacts with both on a regular basis.
And she wasn't a challenge to superman, she was merely a welcomed distraction nothing more.
I'm still not convinced you are as knowledgeable as you say you are based on your misrepresentations of the canon and history of the character. Your insistence that Lois Lane was marginalized during the Silver Age is a particularly egregious example.
Could careless if you're convinced or not, lois was marginalized and useless in the silver age and you'd realize it too if you weren't wearing your fan-girl tinted glasses but you won't so again I could careless about convincing you.
I idolize Lois because during the Silver and Bronze Age the character was limited by the men who wrote her and patriarchal society in which she existed. During the same time, Wonder Woman's characterization also took a dramatic nose dive. Diana lost her powers, which caused feminists like Gloria Steinem to cry out in outrage. Silver Age Wonder Woman was apologetic about her powers because her power made Steve Trevor insecure. Marriage was a common topic in Wonder Woman stories of that time as well. I idolize women, like Lois and Diana, who were both constrained by the patriarchal chains of the post-war era, and who were
that's what I'm saying Lois was limited character with little characterization and I never delved into the why of it, just the fact that she was, so thanks for supporting my point.
both ultimately able to emerge out of that time empowered by celebrating their own unique strengths and capacity to make a positive difference in the world.
Let's not get carried away here, these are comicbook characters that make the world alittle more tolerable but that's it. You want an example of women who make a true difference in the world then think mother Teresa or madam currie but I digress...
So a version of Superman who was completely alienated from Lois and his supporting cast, spent most of his time as Superman, and was in love with Wonder Woman fell victim to poor writing that rendered him uninteresting? I agree. Superman always suffers from poor writing when his core mythology is tampered with beyond repair.
Had nothing to do with his alienation from lois but rather the shabby writing and the convoluted, linked story lines that went nowhere. Morrison's action comics run was good because it was self contained and so was Snyder's unchained and some of Greg pak's stand alone arcs (and the batman/superman stuff) were pretty solid IMO.
And if the changes they made were intended to solve the problem, then what they realized from their experiment was THEY WERE WRONG.
Again due to bad writing nothing more.
The fact that Lois needing physical help from time to time negates any good the character does in other ways is proof of your sexism.
From "time to time" LOL!! She is a walking damsel she was an insult to feminists everywhere.
Empowerment has nothing to do with physical power and physical strength. Needing to be rescued does not make a woman less than a man or even less than a physically stronger woman. Lois is an admirable character and a vital agent of change in the Superman mythology because she represents ways in which humanity can make a difference without special abilities or extraordinary physical gifts. Any reasonable Superman fan should have gotten that message by now because it is the very core of what he represents as a hero.
No lois is important for the superman mythology because she's the love interest, the "girlfriend", after all wasn't that the title of her "best selling series" as you put it.
Of course it's all fiction! Fiction reflects who we are and what we value. If you value Wonder Woman as a feminist icon, then you must also value Lois Lane as a feminist icon. Because what makes Wonder Woman a feminist icon is what would make the character admire and appreciate Lois Lane. Feminist icons like Gloria Steinem and Mary Tyler Moore were both journalists who used journalism in real life and in fiction to empower women and reshape society
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Ok then.
To disregard Lois as a feminist icon because she experienced the same struggles of the women of her era and experienced the same empowerment as women of her era is nonsensical and hypocritical. To argue that Lois Lane cannot be a feminist icon because she is not physically capable of saving herself is anti-feminist because gender equality has nothing to do with physical equality.
The concept of lois lane is iconic, her portrayal in a large amount of story lines isn't.
There's nothing to make up. You literally could not support a Superman and Wonder Woman romance without putting Lois down. In fact, you just did it again. By arguing that Diana is "more deserving," you are arguing that her compatibility with Superman is defined by how she measures up to Lois Lane. How can I help drawing the conclusion I drew when you cannot stop yourself from being so transparent in your reasoning?!
Calm down seriously, You're gonna have an aneurysm. I don't need to support anything, I like the superman/WW pairing and that's all there is to it.
As for putting lois down, well I can't help it if the character is often written as a joke.
). What interests me the most is whether they're going to keep "Lois is the key" plot? I mean, they can't ditch it altogether, despite some changes probably being done.
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