Rebels Star Wars Rebels Season 4: An Open Discussion

[vinsanity]

Everytime I see those Space Whales on Rebels I think about that Gojira song Flying Whales.

But it was a nice finale, those last 5 mins, very intriguing indeed

 

[Marvolo]

What? Where does it show that?

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I think I know what you are talking about. To me that's not substantial enough to say it's Ahsoka.



IMHO that's a little flimsy. And if we are going to have a scenario where Ahsoka is alive, I need more justification than that. The end of Rebels shows she had a way of getting off.

On the season two blu-ray you can slow mo it or pause it and see it's her going down those stairs/ passageway. So it happened after she returned to Malachor. And it's shown after Vader is shown limping away on the surface so it's 2 years before this season and 5 years before the epilogue.

Obviously she found a way off the planet but maybe not right away. The temple is huge. Who knows how long she had to look for a ship or a beacon to send out a distress signal. And besides, not everything in the galaxy revolves around the Rebellion. Not as far as the Force is concerned. Ahsoka not returning until after Endor isn't a huge deal. She had her own journey. Just like Ezra now has his own.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I really like it all outside of the Ahsoka BS. Jacen was adorable, and I loved the final look for Sabine. That was just... cool. I am going to miss Hera and Sabine the most. Hope they come back.

Smart to intersect it basically with the Death Star's destruction. Explains why the Empire doesn't come back.

 

[Broseph44]

I really like it all outside of the Ahsoka BS. Jacen was adorable, and I loved the final look for Sabine. That was just... cool. I am going to miss Hera and Sabine the most. Hope they come back.

Smart to intersect it basically with the Death Star's destruction. Explains why the Empire doesn't come back.

Why don’t you like the Ahsoka stuff? Is she the other character that is your least favorite?

 

[TheVileOne]

On the season two blu-ray you can slow mo it or pause it and see it's her going down those stairs/ passageway. So it happened after she returned to Malachor. And it's shown after Vader is shown limping away on the surface so it's 2 years before this season and 5 years before the epilogue.

Obviously she found a way off the planet but maybe not right away. The temple is huge. Who knows how long she had to look for a ship or a beacon to send out a distress signal. And besides, not everything in the galaxy revolves around the Rebellion. Not as far as the Force is concerned. Ahsoka not returning until after Endor isn't a huge deal. She had her own journey. Just like Ezra now has his own.

I'd really need confirmation from one of the creators about what that brief blip is supposed to be.

Even though Ahsoka says she's no longer a Jedi, it's not acceptable to me to have Ahsoka around for the entirety of the Galactic Civil War with Luke Skywalker, and she never gets involved again at all and only shows up again just to help Sabine find Ezra Bridger. I'd really need some better justification to keep Ahsoka on the chess table.

 

[Orba]

I'd really need confirmation from one of the creators about what that brief blip is supposed to be.

Even though Ahsoka says she's no longer a Jedi, it's not acceptable to me to have Ahsoka around for the entirety of the Galactic Civil War with Luke Skywalker, and she never gets involved again at all and only shows up again just to help Sabine find Ezra Bridger. I'd really need some better justification to keep Ahsoka on the chess table.

Its definitely her at the end of Twilight of the Apprentice, as far as I'm aware that was never questioned. The only discussion around that shot was if she was alive or it was her spirit that people were seeing.

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As for what she was up to during the events of the OT I wouldn't be surprised if they have plans for revealing it.

 

[Marvolo]

I'd really need confirmation from one of the creators about what that brief blip is supposed to be.

Even though Ahsoka says she's no longer a Jedi, it's not acceptable to me to have Ahsoka around for the entirety of the Galactic Civil War with Luke Skywalker, and she never gets involved again at all and only shows up again just to help Sabine find Ezra Bridger. I'd really need some better justification to keep Ahsoka on the chess table.

[Quote="Dave Filoni]"It's not such an active place and Ahsoka, for her part when she's pulled out of that moment, is placed back in that same timeline and not very long after she left it," Filoni said. "So again, she's smart enough to know that she cannot go back with Ezra, so there is not this big time travel thing. She knows she has to remain a part of her world and her timeline."[/quote]

http://comicbook.com/starwars/2018/03/05/star-wars-rebels-time-travel/


Pablo Hidalgo also apparently confirmed that she was sent back to her own time.

 

[Snow Queen]

I liked the finale overall, though I feel it doesn't match the highs of other episodes due to it's focus on Ezra. Despite them putting the series together as Ezra's story, I feel like it's always at it's weakest when it focuses on him, and that hurts the finale to me. Wasn't a fan of what they did with Sabine in the epilogue either, though I did like where the other characters went. It was good though, despite my issues, just was definitely not their best in my eyes.

 

[Marvolo]

I felt Ezra was the best he's been in a long time. None of his usual clumsiness and BS. He really stepped up and got **** done once Kanan died. I wish we'd have gotten one more season so that we could have seen more of this more adult Ezra without Kanan around.

 

[Marvolo]

Ahsoka the White:

 

[TheVileOne]

http://comicbook.com/starwars/2018/03/05/star-wars-rebels-time-travel/


Pablo Hidalgo also apparently confirmed that she was sent back to her own time.

Star Wars Rebels was Ezra's story from the beginning. It really started with him.

Hidalgo and Filoni's response at least shows that what happened to Ahsoka was confusing. Because it's problematic that she was around for the entirety of the Galactic Civil War and never got involved at all or sought out Luke Skywalker. Sorry, but that's problematic.

 

[Marvolo]

Star Wars Rebels was Ezra's story from the beginning. It really started with him.

Hidalgo and Filoni's response at least shows that what happened to Ahsoka was confusing. Because it's problematic that she was around for the entirety of the Galactic Civil War and never got involved at all or sought out Luke Skywalker. Sorry, but that's problematic.

Sure if you reduce the galactic story down to only the Civil War. But this is a galaxy with countless stories and countless characters that have their own personal journeys happening alongside each other. Gone are the days when everything in the canon revolved around and boiled down to Empire vs Rebels and the Skywalkers. The overall canon focuses on more now and the Force is involved in more than any single ongoing event. Not every Force user is going to get involved in and remain involved in the war with the Empire just because they happened to be alive at the time it took place. Ahsoka's journey took her on her own path away from the Civil War. There is nothing problematic about that. And I wouldn't rule out that she sought out Luke Skywalker. It's entirely possible that stories of Luke Skywalker are what drew Ahsoka back to the Rebellion and Sabine.

 

[scarlet-witch]

I'm going to hope that Jacen took after his mom and isn't force sensitive, because then if he went to Luke he's either dead or a Knight of Ren. I want to know of Hera knew she was pregnant when she was captured.

I'm still a bit salty over Kanan having to die and Ezra getting to live, but I get why it happened that way.

 

[Roose Bolton]

It's entirely possibly that even if Jacen is force sensitive he doesn't go with Luke. He could end up like Leia and just use his abilities in ways that don't match the Jedi path, or end up like a Corran Horn figure from Legends as a Force sensitive pilot.

But I do think, if he's getting trained by anyone they'll probably save it for Ezra. That feels right to me, that he'd take on his master's son as his own apprentice.

 

[TheVileOne]

Sure if you reduce the galactic story down to only the Civil War. But this is a galaxy with countless stories and countless characters that have their own personal journeys happening alongside each other. Gone are the days when everything in the canon revolved around and boiled down to Empire vs Rebels and the Skywalkers. The overall canon focuses on more now and the Force is involved in more than any single ongoing event. Not every Force user is going to get involved in and remain involved in the war with the Empire just because they happened to be alive at the time it took place. Ahsoka's journey took her on her own path away from the Civil War. There is nothing problematic about that. And I wouldn't rule out that she sought out Luke Skywalker. It's entirely possible that stories of Luke Skywalker are what drew Ahsoka back to the Rebellion and Sabine.

And yet, during Rebels, she was crucially involved with the Rebel Alliance and basically helped unify the various Rebel cells along with Bail Organa and the other factions. And still confronted Darth Vader, her former master. The whole "it's a big universe with lots of different insulated corners" excuse doesn't really fly here in the case of Ahsoka Tano. To me, there needs to be a better justification for her lack of involvement than just "it's a big galaxy." Especially when the creators had to go so far as saying that Captain Rex was the bearded old Rebel dude fighting with them on Endor.

What did her own path entail? Why did it preclude her not getting involved with Luke Skywalker, Darth Vader, or Yoda ever again? I simply would like some clarification in the future. I don't think I'm asking for a lot.

As for Jacen Syndulla, fans are just spitballing that he will join Luke's academy at some point. there's no confirmation or telling that he will. There's also no confirmation he's Force sensitive either.

The Last Jedi proved how dangerous it is for people to try to stay a step ahead of the Lucasfilm Story Group is. Trying to figure out what the plot twist is will only disappoint you in the end. For now, we know that Kanan and Hera had a son, and his name is Jacen. That's not enough to anoint him as Luke's future student yet.

 

[Erzengel]

Bendu: "You cannot see. But I can."
Thrawn: "What? What do you see?"
Bendu: "I see your defeat. Like many arms surrounding you in a cold embrace."?

 

[TheVileOne]

Bendu: "You cannot see. But I can."
Thrawn: "What? What do you see?"
Bendu: "I see your defeat. Like many arms surrounding you in a cold embrace."?

That's good foreshadowing.

 

[Aximili86]

Haven't got around to seeing it yet.

But Ezra & Ahsoka live, huh? Really liking this series overall, but just can't get on board with that at all.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Ahsoka I can't really defend at all because we have no idea what the hell she was doing while the events of the OT went on...but Ezra's fate worked well in terms of how it serviced his character arc and the continuity of the films.

 

[Lord]

Liked the finale but got mixed feeling about the end itself. I was hoping for Luke to be the main character of the next cartoon show, or to in least be as prevalent as Anakin or Obi-Wan were during The Clone Wars. But from the looks of it, the main characters will most likely be the same as in Rebels and the conflicts won't be as centered around the OT trio rebuilding the galaxy.

 

[vantheman77]

I've said it before that the time traveling episode was unnecessary because we already knew Ahsoka survived at the end of the 2nd season. We didn't need to know how she survived.

As interesting as seeing Ahsoka at the end of the finale post-ROTJ, I felt it was Filoni trying to throw it out there to the viewers to let them know she's alive when she shouldn't whether she was a Jedi or not.

 

[Iceman]

I really like it all outside of the Ahsoka BS. Jacen was adorable, and I loved the final look for Sabine. That was just... cool. I am going to miss Hera and Sabine the most. Hope they come back.

Smart to intersect it basically with the Death Star's destruction. Explains why the Empire doesn't come back.

Hers and Sabine for me too.

 

[Aximili86]

Ahsoka I can't really defend at all because we have no idea what the hell she was doing while the events of the OT went on...but Ezra's fate worked well in terms of how it serviced his character arc and the continuity of the films.

But Yoda's aware of Ezra, right? Not having seen the finale I don't know whether Ezra's survival is known to Yoda, but if it is...

In the OT, Yoda's not sending Luke after Vader because he expects the familial bonds to turn Vader back, he's sending Luke to take him down to death-town plain & simple.

Ezra's basically the same age as Luke, and a buttload more proficient & accomplished. Yoda doesn't see the big picture as of Empire/Jedi, it comes off as a straight-up "we need a Jedi to go deal with him" thing, a sort of implication he feels he's personally too old or otherwise not up to it.

Why the hell not try to get in contact with Ezra? Or Ahsoka, more to the point if Yoda knows about her. You'd sort of figure on-paper it's a more sound plan than the whiney hillbilly kid spectre-Obi's convinced to show up at your hut.

 

[TheVileOne]

I'm kind of OK with Ezra's fate, but it depends on what happens in the future. The simplest conclusion would've been to have Ezra die, and I think he should've died. But we shall see. Maybe some good stories will come of it, and we will see what happens with the idea of both Thrawn and Ezra surviving.

However, to have Ahsoka Tano alive and sitting out the rest of the Galactic Civil War is very problematic.

 

[darthcoolness3]

Assuming that Thrawn and Ezra are still alive, who wants to see Thrawn team up with General Hux and Kylo Ren in the next animated series?