The Rise of Skywalker General Star Wars Episode IX News/Speculation Thread - Part 1

[Enriquespy]

He's either Rey's mum, young Snoke clone or Mara Jade.

Twist:Snoke is a male clone of Mara, and Mara herself is Rey's mum, played by Matt Smith.

 

[Marvolo]

Well I feel like that is fairly obvious since his first scene in the series...

Finn is a good man, a member of the Resistance, who isn't a cold blooded murder. He will kill someone in battle and/or to protect people, but to just straight up murder someone? Where the heck do you get the idea he'd do that?

Finn's been through a lot of **** since that scene you reference. He now has friends and people he cares about and would kill and die for. Friends and people that DJ tried to have murdered for profit.

His issue in that scene you reference was killing innocent people for the First Order. It's nothing like him killing a man that sold the Resistance (including Finn and Rose) to the First Order for cash.

I think morally killing DJ is no worse than killing millions of First Order soldiers, officers, personnel etc for the good of the galaxy and its people. Which is at the end of the day what the Rebellion is doing. So killing DJ fits in with what Finn and the Rebellion/Resistance in general have done and will do.

And in a galaxy governed by the New Republic Finn could try to bring DJ to justice by way of the legal system. DJ probably even has bounties on his head. But they arent living in a galaxy governed by the New Republic and the legal system sure as **** wont bring DJ to justice if Finn tries to go that route. So if he crosses paths with DJ he can let him go, imprison him until the NR is restored, or execute him. The smart and sensible choice seems obvious.

 

[Snow Queen]

That Hashtag show, who got a hold of the 'Mara' and 'Caro' casting calls that seem to have turned out accurate has gotten a hold of another casting call. 27-35 year old female of any ethnicity, “a younger Charlize Theron with street smarts and a sharp wit," “a good sense of humor, solid comedic timing and a strong voice.”

 

[Breogan]

the 'Mara' and 'Caro' casting calls that seem to have turned out accurate

Haven't been following. Where is there evidence of this?

 

[Snow Queen]

Haven't been following. Where is there evidence of this?

Reason I say accurate is that the subsequent casting fits the descriptions they got a hold of months prior. While the character personality descriptions can't be verified this far out without official info, Keri Russell and Naomi Ackie fit the two casting calls they posted months in advance. Here's what the calls said:

a female lead, 40-50 years old, to play the role of “MARA.

Casting director Nina Gold is on the hunt for an “ethnic female”, with a strong preference for an African-American, 18-26 years old, to portray a character by the name of Caro. Caro is described as having a “captivating naturalness and ease to her manner.” Caro is a “leader and problem solver, smart with a great sense of humor and a strong will. All this comes to her effortlessly."

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Finn's been through a lot of **** since that scene you reference. He now has friends and people he cares about and would kill and die for. Friends and people that DJ tried to have murdered for profit.

His issue in that scene you reference was killing innocent people for the First Order. It's nothing like him killing a man that sold the Resistance (including Finn and Rose) to the First Order for cash.

I think morally killing DJ is no worse than killing millions of First Order soldiers, officers, personnel etc for the good of the galaxy and its people. Which is at the end of the day what the Rebellion is doing. So killing DJ fits in with what Finn and the Rebellion/Resistance in general have done and will do.

And in a galaxy governed by the New Republic Finn could try to bring DJ to justice by way of the legal system. DJ probably even has bounties on his head. But they arent living in a galaxy governed by the New Republic and the legal system sure as **** wont bring DJ to justice if Finn tries to go that route. So if he crosses paths with DJ he can let him go, imprison him until the NR is restored, or execute him. The smart and sensible choice seems obvious.

Yep. Which is why Finn is a good guy. Because despite what he has been through, he is still that good man. That good person. Its no different then the likes of Luke, Leia, or even Han. What you are suggesting is something someone associated with the evil space Nazis or the dark side would do.

Killing someone in combat, literally getting someone before they get you (Han shoots first) is very different then executing someone who is unarmed and defenseless. Executions are a First Order thing. We have literally seen them do it twice. You are describing Finn committing murder, like it is a reasonable thing for his character to do.

 

[wampa1]

Hero of the Rebellion Cassian executed his mate in Rogue One...

I think Finn would 'try to kill' DJ in that empty "I'm gonna kill you!" kind of way way but wouldn't actually go through with it.

 

[scarlet-witch]

I wonder if Matt could be one of the Knights of Ren? His face kind of screams First Order to me, but that would be something different.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Hero of the Rebellion Cassian executed his mate in Rogue One...

I think Finn would 'try to kill' DJ in that empty "I'm gonna kill you!" kind of way way but wouldn't actually go through with it.

You mean, sad, depressed Cassian who spends the first two acts considering the orders he takes, doesn't kill Hannibal, and then decides to defy them in the third act, follows Jyn and specifically stops Jyn from murdering Krennic? That Cassian?

 

[chamber-music]

That Hashtag show, who got a hold of the 'Mara' and 'Caro' casting calls that seem to have turned out accurate has gotten a hold of another casting call. 27-35 year old female of any ethnicity, “a younger Charlize Theron with street smarts and a sharp wit," “a good sense of humor, solid comedic timing and a strong voice.”

Riley Voelkel (The Originals, The Newsroom & American Horror Story: Coven) looks and sounds like a younger Charlize Theron. She's 28.

 

[wampa1]

You mean, sad, depressed Cassian who spends the first two acts considering the orders he takes, doesn't kill Hannibal, and then decides to defy them in the third act, follows Jyn and specifically stops Jyn from murdering Krennic? That Cassian?

That's the one. I'm not sure what your point is but mine was demonstrating that "executions are a First Order thing" isn't the case.

 

[sueb1863]

OK, maybe Finn wouldn't actually kill DJ but he'd certainly slam him against a wall and probably punch him in the face more than once. DJ is responsible for the deaths of possibly hundreds of Resistance fighters. If one of the other Resistance people decided to execute him I don't think Finn would try to stop them.

But since Del Toro apparently isn't coming back, I guess we'll never know.

 

[lucas8771]

OK, maybe Finn wouldn't actually kill DJ but he'd certainly slam him against a wall and probably punch him in the face more than once. DJ is responsible for the deaths of possibly hundreds of Resistance fighters. If one of the other Resistance people decided to execute him I don't think Finn would try to stop them.

But since Del Toro apparently isn't coming back, I guess we'll never know.

Had to stop and think about who DJ is. Completely forgot, have only seen Space Balls: The Last Jedi once, and will keep it that way. Big BDT fan, but very glad to hear he isn't coming back. The less we can continue from TLJ, the better.

 

[Breogan]

You mean, sad, depressed Cassian who spends the first two acts considering the orders he takes, doesn't kill Hannibal, and then decides to defy them in the third act, follows Jyn and specifically stops Jyn from murdering Krennic? That Cassian?

True Cassian Andor found his humanity again, sadly it came at the end of his life.
The irony of the trained Rebel assassin, who has told himself he's just a soldier following orders it's ok, who has been killing so long, and so afraid he's lost his humanity, he's reprogramed an Imperial Assassin Droid to be his best friend. And more human than he is.
Andor was super conflicted and lost.
That he could finaly break his orders, and crawl back to find an ounce of humanity through Jyn, was his only hope.
The only path left for him was following this plan to it's inevitable end however. Pretty much a suicide run, for all of them. Jyn knew it, he knew it, they all knew it.
Tragic actually, ...yet it somehow leads to a new Hope.

When we meet Finn he is way ahead of Cassian, he's already made the choice not to be that, not be what he's been "programmed" to do his whole life.
He already has his humanity, chosen to reinvent himself for the better, and the world has just opened up to him.
I think he'd see DJ as not worthy of a petty revenge kill, or his time .
At least that's the Finn of Force Awakens.
No Idea who the useless, neutered Finn at the end of Last Jedi was?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

That's the one. I'm not sure what your point is but mine was demonstrating that "executions are a First Order thing" isn't the case.

It is. He killed that other person to avoid being caught. He isn't executing, he isn't killing him out of revenge or some stuff like that. He is covering his tracks and trying to keep the fact that the Rebellion knows about the Death Star away from the Empire. Context matters, and you are completely ignoring it. This is like saying Han executed Greedo. Of course he didn't.

 

[Aximili86]

It is. He killed that other person to avoid being caught. He isn't executing, he isn't killing him out of revenge or some stuff like that. He is covering his tracks and trying to keep the fact that the Rebellion knows about the Death Star away from the Empire. Context matters, and you are completely ignoring it. This is like saying Han executed Greedo. Of course he didn't.

C'mon now. While "execution" is too strong a word, clearly that entire scene was intended to get at that there's a black-ops/"Ministry Of Ungentlemanly Warfare" branch of the Rebellion that goes up & above what any of the rebels we see in the OT would do.

He basically shoots down a fat & ostensibly-cowardly guy because he's likely to not be able to make it away from the stormtrooper battatlion on-foot, and if caught he's not man enough to not spill the beans to an interrogator.

It's still pretty much still a pre-emptive "you're not up to this, dude, we can't have you flapping your mouth. Die now." situation. It's not "wrong", it's probably indeed necessary, but the whole point of that entire scene was blurring the lines of the good V.S. bad thing with some gray. The rebels ain't saints.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

C'mon now. While "execution" is too strong a word, clearly that entire scene was intended to get at that there's a black-ops/"Ministry Of Ungentlemanly Warfare" branch of the Rebellion that goes up & above what any of the rebels we see in the OT would do.

He basically shoots down a fat & ostensibly-cowardly guy because he's likely to not be able to make it away from the stormtrooper battatlion on-foot, and if caught he's not man enough to not spill the beans to an interrogator.

It's still pretty much still a pre-emptive "you're not up to this, dude, we can't have you flapping your mouth. Die now." situation. It's not "wrong", it's probably indeed necessary, but the whole point of that entire scene was blurring the lines of the good V.S. bad thing with some gray. The rebels ain't saints.

They don't have to be saints. That was never the point. And I'd also say the point of the scene is for arc purposes for Cassian. The man who can no longer simply follow an order and kill someone by the time he is confronted with killing Hannibal.

A lot of Rogue One is about what war does to you. What it can make you become. We have good people doing bad things, we Rebellion leaders showing themselves to be cowards, and we even have a Clone Wars hero who has been warped into a monster. Then enters Jyn, who is not dissimilar to Finn.

 

[Aximili86]

Well, right. But what you seemed to be getting at is that killing their own people intentionally for strategic reasons is solely an Empire/First Order thing.

It's different in the sense that when Vader does it, it's just usually because someone's pissed him off by screwing up, sure. I guess you could make a strategic argument for that too, in a really goddamn ruthless world view.

It's not the same thing, Cassian didn't "execute" the guy in a judicial sense for messing up. But pretty clearly the Rebels (not so much mainstream Rebels, but their military intelligence wing) isn't above putting down their own guys who have the right intentions & aren't necessarily traitors, if they feel they have to.

 

[Breogan]

Cassian said it; he made a choice to do something about the Empire, rather than just standing by "not looking up". That choice comes with consequences, he lives with. .
The informant was a jittery mess about to blab to the Empire, as more Troopers were coming, with no escape. They would have caught him and broken him for info and killed him anyway,.
Cassian had to act fast.

Cassian at least regrets what he had to do.
Vader not so much LOL!.

 

[Aximili86]

Right. He absolutely wasn't wrong in doing it.

 

[Marvolo]

Cassian was right to kill that guy. Strategically at least. He couldn't let that guy get picked up by the Troopers. And it may have even been morally right. Depending on how much he knew, if the guy got picked up and told the Empire crucial details it could have gotten a lot of people killed and weakened the Rebellion.

 

[sueb1863]

Yeah, Cassian had to kill his comrade, not only to keep him from spilling secrets to the Empire but also to spare him from that ordeal in the first place. Even though it was mostly a strategic move, it was partially an act of mercy.

I thought it was a great way to show in shorthand who Cassian was and the nature of his hardened mindset. He's a guy who's gonna do what he needs to do and he doesn't let sentimentality get in the way of tough decisions.

Too bad we'll never know what Finn would do if he ever got his mittens on DJ again but I don't imagine he'd be bothered much by sentimentality either...

 

[Marvolo]

 

[titansupes]

 

[Sawyer]

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