Endgame Endgame User Review Thread (TAG SPOILERS)

[Texas Zombie]

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I wanted the Ronin story to play out somewhat like it did. People I think wanted the traditional avengers from the first film, but the characters had all changed so much. It’s almost like the entire team was just running on autopilot for 5 years.

It was an amazing movie and basically all I had hoped for. It’s crazy to see the culmination of all these movies.

 

[elgaz]

Most of the plot holes I can overlook. But a few still bug me. Just not enough to ruin the experience.

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Like if changing the past creates a branch off alternate reality. Instead of affecting the entire timeline. Why does our Cap staying in the past return to our present? Shouldn't that change have caused a branching alternate timeline as well? Leading him to live in the alternate reality he created? Or at least live his life out in the timeline he stayed in?

A few that initially bugged me while I was still fresh from seeing it were easier to figure out later. Like killing past Thanos, and Nebula. But returning all the stones. Returning the stones was more for the past having the stones for protection than purely keeping the past unaltered. So it just means one alternate reality is missing it's Thanos, and Nebula.

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This Cap timeline paradox has been confusing a lot of people.

I agree, going by the logic used throughout the film with regards to time travel an aged Steve Rogers should not be sitting on a bench shortly after his younger self has just exited into the past with the infinity stones.

However, we are assuming that the Steve Rogers we see on that bench has grown old with Peggy within that same timeline and has made his way to that bench by car or similar, armed with the foreknowledge of what will occur there at that specific time. What if this isn't the case? What if he actually did go to a different timeline, but kept enough Pym particles and tech to return to this one shortly before his younger self exits (and stayed out of view) so he could pass on his shield to Sam and say a final goodbye?

 

[samsnee]

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This Cap timeline paradox has been confusing a lot of people.

I agree, going by the logic used throughout the film with regards to time travel an aged Steve Rogers should not be sitting on a bench shortly after his younger self has just exited into the past with the infinity stones.

However, we are assuming that the Steve Rogers we see on that bench has grown old with Peggy within [/i]that[/i] same timeline and has made his way to that bench by car or similar, armed with the foreknowledge of what will occur there at that specific time. What if this isn't the case? What if he actually did go to a different timeline, but kept enough Pym particles and tech to return to this one shortly before his younger self exits (and stayed out of view) so he could pass on his shield to Sam and say a final goodbye?

That's what that Forbes article speculated and I agree with that interpretation

 

[wobbly]

The rules spelled out in the film

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makes that past Steve stayed in with Peggy an alternate timeline. It became an alternate the moment he made any change by being there.

We don't know what life he lived there but he may well have taken up the mantle of Captain America again as he brings what looks like a fully completed version of the tech based shield Howard Stark was working on with him (he wouldn't be able to get the original Vibranium shield as that got frozen with 40's cap).

How he gets back to his original present day timeline is a matter of guesswork from us atm, but we can figure the 'GPS' nature of the time devices allowed him to come back to his own timeline, and he might have got help from Pym or Stark in the alternate to bypass needing the platform.

 

[BoredGuy]

I'd say there's two possibilities that wouldn't necessarily break the established rules:

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1. Old Man steve used the particles to finally jump back to our timeline, probably just after Peggy died, and made his way to the funeral
2. Steve was always Peggy's husband in the prime timeline... all the comments about him saving her husband during the war were a cover up, since Peggy knew young Steve and the Avengers couldn't know about it beforehand or it would f*** everything up.

The first one is simple enough and probably the better explanation
The second one is a giant logistical pain in the ass

 

[First Avenger]

I'd say there's two possibilities that wouldn't necessarily break the established rules:

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1. Old Man steve used the particles to finally jump back to our timeline, probably just after Peggy died, and made his way to the funeral
2. Steve was always Peggy's husband in the prime timeline... all the comments about him saving her husband during the war were a cover up, since Peggy knew young Steve and the Avengers couldn't know about it beforehand or it would f*** everything up.

The first one is simple enough and probably the better explanation
The second one is a giant logistical pain in the ass

It's the first one, Russos confirmed it.

 

[Spidey17]

I may not have cried, but got damn did I love this movie. IMO the Avengers movies get better as they go on.

 

[Spidey17]

So glad Avatar will finally be knocked off it's throne.

 

[Spidey17]

I thought Civil War was one of the best MCU films and Zemo one of my favourite villains. Just because he doesn’t fly around shooting lasers from his eyes doesn’t make it any less so.

BP was a stellar introduction to CW. Everything the Russo's touch turns to gold.

 

[harlequinade]

So glad Avatar will finally be knocked off it's throne.

Don't jinx it!

 

[Gothamsknight]

The final 45 minutes of this film have been stuck in my brain since my first and second viewings . I could watch it on repeat all day long

 

[shabadoo25]

The final 45 minutes of this film have been stuck in my brain since my first and second viewings . I could watch it on repeat all day long

As could I and probably will when it hits Disney+. As I have done with the IW Wakanda battle.

 

[Ednigmauk]

Hi new here.

Loved the film but need some help with the ending.

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When Tony makes the snap should that really kill Thanos?

Would it not have made more sense to move thanos and his armies back to where they came from and wipe their memories.

If he kills Thanos before Thanos did the original snap, then who wiped out half the universe that has just returned?

 

[Spider-Fan]

 

[wobbly]

Hi new here.

Loved the film but need some help with the ending.

Spoiler: Film ending

When Tony makes the snap should that really kill Thanos?

Would it not have made more sense to move thanos and his armies back to where they came from and wipe their memories.

If he kills Thanos before Thanos did the original snap, then who wiped out half the universe that has just returned?

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The Thanos in the final battle was brought forward in time from a past 2014 that had become an alternate timeline the moment the Avengers travelled back there to get the power and soul stones. Him being dusted by Tonys snap in the present only ensures that past, a now alternate timeline in 2014, no longer has any Thanos to worry about. It also won't have any Guardians of the Galaxy.

 

[javonstokess]

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The Thanos in the final battle was brought forward in time from a past 2014 that had become an alternate timeline the moment the Avengers travelled back there to get the power and soul stones. Him being dusted by Tonys snap in the present only ensures that past, a now alternate timeline in 2014, no longer has any Thanos to worry about. It also won't have any Guardians of the Galaxy.

I hadn't quite thought about the lack of the GotG.

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Means Ego could never attempt to take over universe too.

 

[Ednigmauk]

I

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The Thanos in the final battle was brought forward in time from a past 2014 that had become an alternate timeline the moment the Avengers travelled back there to get the power and soul stones. Him being dusted by Tonys snap in the present only ensures that past, a now alternate timeline in 2014, no longer has any Thanos to worry about. It also won't have any Guardians of the Galaxy.

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I get that we can just assume thanos never did the original snap, but if that's the case the people out of existence for 5 years should have come back as soon as the snap happened. Where have they all been for 5 years.

It would have been more elegant to put thanos and his armies back to 2014 wipe their minds and they can continue on the path already set.

Removing him before he does the snap is the same effect as killing him as a baby which the film itself says is a poor idea.

Its fine I'll just have to live with an inelegant solution.

Other than that it was very good film

8/10 for me.

People harping on about characters like thor not acting as they should seems to be a bit weird. Like we all know how we and others would react to the end of half of existence.

Lol

 

[Spider-Fan]

I hadn't quite thought about the lack of the GotG.

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Means Ego could never attempt to take over universe too.

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Or Ego finds his son, recruits him, and his plan goes off without a hitch!

 

[technobot]

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I retract part of my review, where I implied that the writers/directors handled time travel by not handling it. With Russo's confirmation, the time travel in this movie follows exactly what is explained (clearly): you can't change the past, any changes result in a new timeline. What isn't clear is what constitutes a change, but I can live with "significant", however vague that may still be.

The past is an alternate dimension/universe... an interactive recording if you will. Any "significant" changes will result in the continuation of this new dimension. Cap lived out his life in the "Shire" with alt-Peggy. They really left the door open for what happened over there. Since he didn't have to worry about timeline alterations since he already created the branch, did he get in more adventures? Where did the shield come from? Did we get 60's Captain America? Or did he just play it like we thought he would in the main timeline (keeping low profile with a new identity) How did Bucky seemingly "know"? Stay tuned

 

[TheWallCrawler]

about the Thor-thing

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I see some people have a problem with what he became. To me it was perfect. Thanos absolutely ruined Thor. He failed to save his home, his best friend, his brother and then he fails to kill Thanos right before the guy kills half the universe. Fat-Thor is earned. We've never seen the breaking point of an MCU hero before. To see one of the top core Avengers reduced to such a pathetic thing is haunting. It shows us how truly disturbed he was by his failure, unable to process it at all. I like the part when Korg says "We don't really use the Thanos-word here"

 

[Clowd]

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Are we sure Cap even ends up with Peggy? I know we saw them dancing, but that was always his wish was to get one last dance. What if he knew it would mess up the timeline and didnt end up with her. What if when he returned the Soul Stone, he got back Natasha? It is a soul for a soul. Anyone else getting Cap and Widow vibes in Winter Soldier, Civil War and Infinity War? Maybe this is why he didnt want to tell Sam at the end. He rather keep the secret she is alive to himself. Maybe she went back in time with him, so that he could relive all the things he missed out on the first time around. [/SPOILER ]

I know its unlikely, just speculating. lol

 

[samsnee]

No

 

[Spider-Fan]

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Gamora didn't come back when the Soul Stone was ashed. Simply returning the stone is not going to bring Natasha back. It's not like the soul stone sucks you in whole, it seemingly just takes your soul once you're dead. Meaning even if your soul is free from it, your body is dead.

 

[javonstokess]

about the Thor-thing

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I see some people have a problem with what he became. To me it was perfect. Thanos absolutely ruined Thor. He failed to save his home, his best friend, his brother and then he fails to kill Thanos right before the guy kills half the universe. Fat-Thor is earned. We've never seen the breaking point of an MCU hero before. To see one of the top core Avengers reduced to such a pathetic thing is haunting. It shows us how truly disturbed he was by his failure, unable to process it at all. I like the part when Korg says "We don't really use the Thanos-word here"

Totally agree with it.

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This movie is the first super hero movie I can think of that showcases wide spread PTSD amongst its characters. Everyone one of them dealt with losing differently and drastically. Steve became introspective, Natasha overly driven, Tony just quit and moved on, Scott became a bit manic, etc etc with Thor seemingly getting the worst of it because HE was the one who had the best shot of stopping it all. Just great writing.

 

[wobbly]

I hadn't quite thought about the lack of the GotG.

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Means Ego could never attempt to take over universe too.

Well...

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There could be a team, but not the one we know. Quill could still recover the power stone when he wakes up, but after that there's no Gamora to go after him on Xandar, or Nebula after that. He might still have ended up in the prison and teamed up with Rocket, Groot & Drax but they might have still gotten caught by Ronan, and Xandar might be buggered without a full team to handle the power stone to take him down.

Like the all the other new timelines created in Endgame it's anyone's guess how they might turn out.

Thinking about this though, there was only one stone they knew for damn sure had to go back, the time stone. The others? Keeping them would have spared those altered realities the threats from Ronan, Malekith, Ultron and of course Thanos...

Lol. Why it's best not to overthink these things.