Democratic Primary 2020

[Snow Queen]

That so-called 'establishment' likes Biden because he had Obama's back for eight years during his presidency -- and a big portion of them are black voters. When you have a democratic socialist like Bernie who wasn't aligned with Obama, butted heads with, and even considered primarying him in 2012-- that puts people off.

Just stop it with the 'corporate Dems want Biden and ordinary people want Bernie' narrative. The reliable Democratic voters wanted Biden, while Bernie's young supporters didn't show up to vote or went with someone else.

Get over it.

I'm not saying 'corporate Dems want Biden and ordinary people want Bernie'. What I'm saying is that's who I expect to see reaping the most benefits from this. The rich will be protected, the corporations will be given far too loose a leash, and the issues facing people will not be addressed in a way that won't just lead to repeating 2016.

There's nothing to get over and the tone is not necessary. Biden's the nominee. But becoming the nominee doesn't change who he is. It doesn't mean he's not the guy who tells people to vote for Trump when questioned. It doesn't mean he's not the guy who tells rich people behind the scenes that nothing will change. It doesn't mean he didn't vote for the bills he did, or go on public TV to call healthcare comparative to the rest of the US' contemporaries a pipe dream. I want to be clear, I am not saying don't vote for Biden. Vote for him. Get rid of Trump. Trump is a monster. But that doesn't mean his baggage and associated concerns disappear.

 

[kvz5]

Today, in particular, is a hard day so I get why everyone's all fired up but no personal attacks please. There will be repercussions if anything of that nature is done after this warning.

It might not seem like it right now but we're all on the same side.

 

[Lily Adler]

I know it seems like some of us are trying to fulfill a self-fulfilling prophecy of Biden losing to Trump, but we're simply pointing out why there are Progressives who are unhappy with the choices we have now.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Trump is just trying to trick people into voting third party or staying home when the election comes. And apparently he fears Biden will pick Warren as the VP nominee.

 

[Lily Adler]

Trump is just trying to trick people into voting third party or staying home when the election comes. And apparently he fears Biden will pick Warren as the VP nominee.

Don't get my hopes up.

 

[kvz5]

I'm torn on what to feel about Warren. I LOVE her (she's my #1 Dem pick) but I worry about what'll happen to her Senate seat if she nabs the VP slot.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

People shouldn't think of the presidential election as just voting for a single person. You're voting for a team. Not just the Cabinet, but who gets nominated for the Supreme Court, who would work best with a Democratic House and/or Senate, etc..

 

[Lily Adler]

People shouldn't think of the presidential election as just voting for a single person. You're voting for a team. Not just the Cabinet, but who gets nominated for the Supreme Court, who would work best with a Democratic House and/or Senate, etc..

I will vote for Biden, but if he truly desires some of Bernie's support (I honestly don't know if he does) than he needs to adopt some policies and hire some Progressives in his campaign and cabinet.

 

[kvz5]

People shouldn't think of the presidential election as just voting for a single person. You're voting for a team. Not just the Cabinet, but who gets nominated for the Supreme Court, who would work best with a Democratic House and/or Senate, etc..

For sure. Especially, more so, with Biden. I feel like it could end up being like the Bush/Cheney years so the VP is really crucial here.

I will vote for Biden, but if he truly desires some of Bernie's support (I honestly don't know if he does) than he needs to adopt some policies and hire some Progressives in his campaign and cabinet.

This is a very fair ask and I'm hopeful that we get that.

 

[Detective Conan]

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

The 2008 campaign was much closer, unlike the 2016 campaign and how the 2020 campaign has played out.

Sanders' campaign also tried to pull the 'get the superdelegates vote for me over Clinton' routine in 2016 even though he was losing in the pledged count.

 

[The Batman]

It might not seem like it right now but we're all on the same side.

I'm sorry, but at this point, I don't believe that's true. This primary has been a prime example of how splintered this party is, and I do not think Biden is the man who can heal that divide.

 

[kvz5]

I'm sorry, but at this point, I don't believe that's true. This primary has been a prime example of how splintered this party is, and I do not think Biden is the man who can heal that divide.

Well, I think at the end of the day, despite the difference in opinions on who the best person for that job is, we all want Trump out of the White House.

 

[mclay18]

Well, I think at the end of the day, despite the difference in opinions on who the best person for that job is, we all want Trump out of the White House.

This.

I really think Bernie will be a key player in a potential Biden administration, either as a cabinet member or Senator pushing Biden's legislation further left.

It's big upside for Sanders' legacy. He can make sure Biden takes on some of Sanders' policy initiatives -- and taking on M4A will be less polarizing because of the pandemic and how badly Trump botched the healthcare response.

 

[souvlaki]

Someone really needs to talk to centrists about their outreach skills.

 

[Marvolo]

Sigh.. it was inevitable, but... still it hurts.

Im glad he proved me wrong.

 

[Yowza]

A lot of Wisconsin Democratic voters are frustrated with Bernie.

Wisconsin was 1:15 states that didn't delay their primaries (partially due to Wisconsin Supreme Court Justice race going on that isn't replaced until August in conjunction with county based offices that need to be replaced in 2 weeks). Bernie pulled out the day after everyone went out in-person to vote (a significant % drop in poll turn-out compared to 2016's primary). It's a message if you went out to vote for him without absentee ballot , he doesn't want your vote some feel (absentee ballot if submitted yesterday able to be counted out until the 13th as ruled last Friday by WI Appeals Court).

Municipalities within certain sections of Wisconsin had to wait in line while more populous areas like within Dane County still kept a significant number of poll booths open to avoid waiting lines while enforcing people go to assigned area within their zip code.

Anyway, last 2016 election Bernie Sanders didn't get by Hillary. He made clear afterwards if you vote for him DON'T vote for Trump. Here's a tweet from Trump I just saw:



That's a stake in the heart to read something like that right at this moment for many.

 

[mclay18]

That's a stake in the heart to read something like that right at this moment for many.

Trump is panicking. He got impeached over trying to get rid of the candidate he will now face in November.

The fact Trump's scared s***less makes me happy.

 

[moviedoors]

A lot of Wisconsin Democratic voters are frustrated with Bernie.

Wisconsin was 1:15 states that didn't delay their primaries (partially due to Wisconsin Supreme Court Justice race going on that isn't replaced until August in conjunction with county based offices that need to be replaced in 2 weeks). Bernie pulled out the day after everyone went out in-person to vote (a significant % drop in poll turn-out compared to 2016's primary). It's a message if you went out to vote for him without absentee ballot , he doesn't want your vote some feel (absentee ballot if submitted yesterday able to be counted out until the 13th as ruled last Friday by WI Appeals Court).

Dude, all the bull**** that went on in Wisconsin is entirely on their Republican legislature and the SCOTUS.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Trump is just trying to trick people into voting third party or staying home when the election comes. And apparently he fears Biden will pick Warren as the VP nominee.

If he does that, I'd be completely on board. But he is not going to do that.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Well, I think at the end of the day, despite the difference in opinions on who the best person for that job is, we all want Trump out of the White House.

Most do. But is that enough of a reason to vote for a party that treats you with contempt?

You mentioned early everyone being on the same side. Theoretically that is fine, but the establishment does not treat a big chunk of it's potential voters like that. They treat them like nuance because they believe in basic policies that the majority of developed nations have. They tell you to eat ****, get over it, and vote for them, like you somehow own them their vote because Trump exist. They'd rather cater to the opposite side, the side who willing vote for Trump without a second thought then those they say are on their side.

So vote to get Trump out of office. What then happens in 2024 when they are pushing the same agenda with Trump theoretically not around? Their answer to being rejected in 2016 was to double down on crapping on people. At what point are people allowed to stop supporting a party who doesn't support you?

 

[Lily Adler]

What about this sounds good?

Biden to begin vetting VP shortlist ‘in a matter of weeks’

Wall Street AND Silicon Valley are pushing him for Harris... Oh boy.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Wall Street AND Silicon Valley are pushing him for Harris... Oh boy.

It's fine. She's fine. Because when she systemically locked up minorities for being minorities it is was fine because she too is a minority. Furthermore her absolute implosion on the campaign trail and on the debate stage was fine. It's fine. It's all fine.

 

[Lily Adler]

It's fine. She's fine. Because when she systemically locked up minorities for being minorities it is was fine because she too is a minority. Furthermore her absolute implosion on the campaign trail and on the debate stage was fine.

I just learned Harris didn't want to indict Mnuchin for his part in the housing crisis.

 

[kvz5]

Most do. But is that enough of a reason to vote for a party that treats you with contempt?

You mentioned early everyone being on the same side. Theoretically that is fine, but the establishment does not treat a big chunk of it's potential voters like that. They treat them like nuance because they believe in basic policies that the majority of developed nations have. They tell you to eat ****, get over it, and vote for them, like you somehow own them their vote because Trump exist. They'd rather cater to the opposite side, the side who willing vote for Trump without a second thought then those they say are on their side.

So vote to get Trump out of office. What then happens in 2024 when they are pushing the same agenda with Trump theoretically not around? Their answer to being rejected in 2016 was to double down on crapping on people. At what point are people allowed to stop supporting a party who doesn't support you?

I get it. It's a terrible situation all around and it's very embarrassing how a so called first world country like us doesn't even have healthcare for all but given the cards dealt right now, what exactly can we do? I think I mentioned this before but I don't think Biden was really anyone's first choice here (he doesn't even crack my Top 5 ) but as much as it sucks to say it, it is what it is. Yes, the party is not fond of Bernie and yes, they rallied behind Biden but there are also actual common folk who voted for him and are passionate for him. It's not like he pulled that nomination out of the thin air. I mean I am surprised as well whenever I find folks passionate for him but there's something there. For the sake of my sanity, I don't even want to think that far ahead. I'm not even sure we will survive this year. All I can do is very naively hope that we can get Trump out and Biden will hopefully be surrounded with enough sensible people that can right some of what Trump has done.