Gina Carano is No Longer Cara Dune... Fortunately

[DarthSkywalker]

I'm not sure I would blame anyone. Everyone in a family will not agree on hot button topics. I believe you should set a standard that we are all family, regardless of politics, religious, or sexual orientation and/or identity, and if you can discuss these things without getting into averbal altercation, that's great. But what are the odds of that? It's no different than a lone conservative at the dinner table with a house full of liberals, or vice versa. The only way it works where everyone can have a voice and talk and not feel bullied or intimidated is if everyone keeps their emotions in check, but that's rare. Thus the rule.

Yeah, I'd blame the bigots. That doesn't feel like a hard question at all.

 

[Snow Queen]

Classic hot button issues like... some family members being bigoted.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Classic hot button issues like... some family members being bigoted.

You can't blame them for that, Snow. It's just their chosen political and/or religious beliefs, that they chose to support.

 

[writer0327]

Why isn't Shapiro your cup of tea?

you don't know who Richard Spencer is. How can you know his statements and beliefs are racist?

As to the last bit. Political affiliation isn't the issue, it is the party and the views expressed that are the problem. What Carano said is bigoted, and those bigoted views make up a large portion of the Republican party that voted for Donald Trump.

Shapiro is kind of repetitive. Seems disconnected. Comes off as highbrow. A little snobbish. And I don't really like his voice. Don't hate him, but I don't love him either. People swear by him, I'm like, eh whatever. He's just...there. Same with Candace Owens. Not a big fan of big popular names. Just not for me.

I was just going off your hypothetical conversation with Richard Spencer walking up and telling me he wants a white ethnostate and that he's also not a racist.

In regards to Gina's statements, at this point, generally speaking, liberals view conservative ideology as hate, and conservatives view liberal ideology as stupidity. Everyone is entrenched in their own respective camps and no one wants to bend or budge, or even discuss things anymore. We're just dividing the country, and sending each side deeper into the weeds instead of trying to have conversations. I felt that was the true message of Gina's post. You can believe what you want, I can believe what I want, we can disagree on particular topics, but at the end of the day were all Americans and we should be united under freedom.

But to sum it up, I think Gina did what was probably best for everyone in the short run. She's a conservative and liberal Hollywood does not want to deal with her opinions. Get out and move on.

 

[writer0327]

Yeah, I'd blame the bigots. That doesn't feel like a hard question at all.

It all depends on which camp you fall into. If everyone is allowed to be themselves without respect to anyone else's feelings, you know how that story ends. So who needs to be the bigger person? Which side needs to say, "okay, you be you, and I'll just keep my feelings to myself?" Or should both sides come to an understanding ahead of time? Within families we show respect for each other, but in public, its a different matter, we stopped respecting each other long ago. So now we have self-censorship and self-editing through intimidation. We engage in passive hostilities, a cultural cold war. Its no bueno.

 

[henzINNIT]

Here's the thing though. The dividing lines aren't party political anymore, especially in US politics.

Left wingers are not the democrats. Most lefty's I know have no love for Biden, or outright hate him. The democratic party is a corrupt, elitist club.

But the right is worse. Ben Shapiro and Candace Owens are the norm on that side and they are dishonest actors.. Flat-out paid shills, their donors are well known and they are all bought by the same people. And they say horrible things all the time. Incorrect things. They love Trump and the republican party because they are paid to. They maintain the same positions despite frequently being proven wrong because they abandoned reason or logic long ago.

And it becomes a very sensitive issue when talking about things like trans' rights, because the right wing 'position' is to cruelly deny their existence and act like it's just a point of view to do so.

 

[Schlosser85]

You guys are wasting your time. I put him on ignore days ago.

 

[Snow Queen]

It all depends on which camp you fall into. If everyone is allowed to be themselves without respect to anyone else's feelings, you know how that story ends. So who needs to be the bigger person? Which side needs to say, "okay, you be you, and I'll just keep my feelings to myself?" Or should both sides come to an understanding ahead of time? Within families we show respect for each other, but in public, its a different matter, we stopped respecting each other long ago. So now we have self-censorship and self-editing through intimidation. We engage in passive hostilities, a cultural cold war. Its no bueno.

This isn't 'does my family like that movie I think is bad?' This is about actual peoples lives. When one position is "I want to not be persecuted for my existence" and the other is "I think you should be denied rights," one person already gave up "being the bigger person."

 

[henzINNIT]

Oh and

Hollywood is NOT left wing. You think someone like Bob Iger is really objecting to all the extra money he pockets from republican tax cuts? Hollywood is just as corrupt, cold and cynical as any US corporation. It only cares about money. Gina Carano got the boot because what she was saying and supporting was wrong, stupid and dangerous and that doesn't sell. It only became political when the right became the party of wrong, stupid and dangerous.

 

[Roose Bolton]

People really overlook how dodgy Bob Iger can be. He’s not a good person.

 

[Schlosser85]

Is it relevant what kind of person Bob Iger is...?

 

[Perfect Cell]

This isn't 'does my family like that movie I think is bad?' This is about actual peoples lives. When one position is "I want to not be persecuted for my existence" and the other is "I think you should be denied rights," one person already gave up "being the bigger person."

Yeah, I am at a loss for trying to understand his point. What he's suggesting is basically "ignorance is bliss". As in, my family members hold bigoted beliefs, but so long as they keep it to themselves, everything is hunky dory. You can't just put blinders on simply because they are your family.

Case in point: I am bisexual. My father is... less than supportive of this, and I haven't spoken to him in 11 years because of it. So by his logic, so long as my father didn't call me the F-word, and just kept it to himself, then we could still have a nice family dinner at Christmas. But he's still calling me that in his head. He's still holding severe prejudices against who I am as a person. It's just not being said aloud. How is that better? Because there's no "drama"? That's living a lie.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Case in point: I am bisexual. My father is... less than supportive of this, and I haven't spoken to him in 11 years because of it. So by his logic, so long as my father didn't call me the F-word, and just kept it to himself, then we could still have a nice family dinner at Christmas. But he's still calling me that in his head. He's still holding severe prejudices against who I am as a person. It's just not being said aloud. How is that better? Because there's no "drama"? That's living a lie.

Is this the part where we bond over Carmen Carrera? If so...

 

[Snow Queen]

Yeah, I am at a loss for trying to understand his point. What he's suggesting is basically "ignorance is bliss". As in, my family members hold bigoted beliefs, but so long as they keep it to themselves, everything is hunky dory. You can't just put blinders on simply because they are your family.

Case in point: I am bisexual. My father is... less than supportive of this, and I haven't spoken to him in 11 years because of it. So by his logic, so long as my father didn't call me the F-word, and just kept it to himself, then we could still have a nice family dinner at Christmas. But he's still calling me that in his head. He's still holding severe prejudices against who I am as a person. It's just not being said aloud. How is that better? Because there's no "drama"? That's living a lie.

As someone who knows a lot of those family dinners, ****ing exactly.

 

[GREEN =w= DAY]

So I had no idea that Gina Carano and Henry Cavill dated years ago and now there are idiots on Twitter wanting to cancel Henry Cavill

I wish Twitter would just go away for good

 

[Perfect Cell]

As someone who knows a lot of those family dinners, ****ing exactly.

And the thing is, all this is done solely to benefit the bigot. To make them more comfortable. To make them less upset. So that they don't have to face the fact that someone close to them is different. Why in the hell should that be encouraged? That's how bigotry fosters. I can't express who I am around my immediate family, because it'll cause my father to get angry and throw a tantrum? **** that horse****.

 

[Snow Queen]

So I had no idea that Gina Carano and Henry Cavill dated years ago and now there are idiots on Twitter wanting to cancel Henry Cavill

I wish Twitter would just go away for good

Zack Snyder fans told me WB already did that today.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Is it relevant what kind of person Bob Iger is...?

Maybe I am wrong, but I took it as a commentary on who runs these places. Iger is out now, but like the majority who run these huge corporations, he seems pretty right leaning. He loves dem tax cuts. It's not like Carano walked in and by being right wing, was on the outs with the corporation or the higher ups. She had to cross the line so far with her rhetoric, that acting like she is some sort of misunderstood victim is just ridiculous.

 

[Sithborg]

Shapiro is kind of repetitive. Seems disconnected. Comes off as highbrow. A little snobbish. And I don't really like his voice. Don't hate him, but I don't love him either. People swear by him, I'm like, eh whatever. He's just...there. Same with Candace Owens. Not a big fan of big popular names. Just not for me.

I was just going off your hypothetical conversation with Richard Spencer walking up and telling me he wants a white ethnostate and that he's also not a racist.

In regards to Gina's statements, at this point, generally speaking, liberals view conservative ideology as hate, and conservatives view liberal ideology as stupidity. Everyone is entrenched in their own respective camps and no one wants to bend or budge, or even discuss things anymore. We're just dividing the country, and sending each side deeper into the weeds instead of trying to have conversations. I felt that was the true message of Gina's post. You can believe what you want, I can believe what I want, we can disagree on particular topics, but at the end of the day were all Americans and we should be united under freedom.

But to sum it up, I think Gina did what was probably best for everyone in the short run. She's a conservative and liberal Hollywood does not want to deal with her opinions. Get out and move on.

CPAC is outright using Nazi iconography.

Let me tell you right now, there are around 4 lawyers on twitter I follow pretty regularly. None of them would consider themselves liberal, though oddly one was a big fan of Warren. There is room for differing beliefs and debate. But not about this. Bigotry is not a "difference of opinion".

As for Hollywood's politics, well, as conservatives love their "marketplace of ideas". Well, guess what, Carano got fired because her beliefs have lost in the marketplace of ideas. Just because there is a difference of opinion, does not mean both sides have equal weight.

 

[MurkeNyou]

No, I am sure you don't know Ben Shapiro that well. It makes it easier to ignore who he is and what he has said, while having this discussion. It's the same with Carano's own history online.

You come to this thread pretty much every day, reiterating the same thing in defense of Carano. You mention very specific things she has said, but ignore the evidence presented against her. You play the, "point of view" card, but then refuse to exam the actual evidence. If you are going to spend so much time speaking on this subject, why not look up Carano's history? Shapiro's? It is easy to create a baseline for how trustworthy a source is if you actually check it out. But you refuse to. Why? There is a mountain of evidence online about what she supports, who she supports. Namely a bunch of far right lunatics and well known bigots. She has claimed to not being a conspiracy theorist, while pushing anti-mask and questioning the election. But according to you, because she says she isn't, it's can't be true?

The idea that you have to actually have a personal relationship with someone to judge certain aspects of them sets up an impossible expectation, that not even courts argue is necessary. But it does help avoiding talking about why Carano was actually fired. It gives you the ability to avoid the realities of what she has done, what she said outside of her narrow statements about how she's "not like that". It's why you ignore looking up Shapiro, even as Carano inserted him into this conversation, bolstering the point of why people know she's a bigot and liar.

You seem determined to take Carano's word at face value because she is a Republican. You give the benefit of the doubt where ever you can, while decrying she lost her job for her "political beliefs", while ignoring what said political beliefs entail. It's why you push the, "well no politics should be at work" idea. Even as every single job in the US has some sort of political entanglement. That ignores the conversation of who Carano is and what she has herself done and said. Why she was fired. I agree it is for being a Republican. What you are want to do is to ignore what that means in this context. It's why you ignored the middle of my last post.

And that is while the bold bit is so important. Richard Spencer, a self-confessed white nationalist could walk up to you and tell you about how he wants a white ethnostate, and because you only take people at "face value" when he also explained he wasn't racist, you'd have to believe him. And that's just not an honest conversation.

Yeah, hard not to notice this, tired of disingenuous BS from people on the right. They just seem to aim to distract/ ramble. Not offer solutions.

 

[Detective Conan]

Well...that’d be one heck of an upgrade character-wise. If true, then how about a good actress this time around?

 

[MurkeNyou]

Well...that’d be one heck of an upgrade character-wise. If true, then how about a good actress this time around?

just cast the woman who did her Voice in Rebels/ the SW games.

 

[TheVileOne]

I have a question, was Cara Dune even supposed to be in Rangers of the New Republic?

 

[Mani-Man]

I have a question, was Cara Dune even supposed to be in Rangers of the New Republic?

Rumors state so and looking at the past season, there seemed to be a interest in giving the character depth and more story to expand on.

But this would be a super upgrade, love Hera.

 

[Breogan]

I have a question, was Cara Dune even supposed to be in Rangers of the New Republic?

Besides what was (in hindsight) obviously being the set up ^ for it season 2 .
According to the Hollywood Reporter- 'The Mandalorian' Star Gina Carano Fired Amid Social Media Controversy

THR notes that Cara Dune was originally going to be a lead character in the upcoming spinoff series, Rangers of the New Republic. However, Lucasfilm reportedly changed course ...

Well...that’d be one heck of an upgrade character-wise. If true, then how about a good actress this time around?

But yeah, let's take this wonderful "rumor" (essentially someone attaching a logo to a Herra image, or is there more to it than that? ) out of the spent Gina Carrano thread, and into the Rangers thread, where it belongs and the Rangers show deserves more discussion.- Rangers of the New Republic on Disney+
Not here.