Justice League Character Comparisons: Snyder Cut vs. Whedon Cut

[The Batman]

The '70s Superman was great at that time, but times change, somehow we're not romanticizing the' 70s Batman version like Superman's

Because in the modern era, we've gotten several versions of Batman that are just as iconic, popular, and influential as "70's" (I'm assuming you actually mean '66) Batman.

You can't really say the same about Superman.

Also, Pre-80's media Batman wasn't much romanticized to begin with, and was never really seen as the definitive version of the character the same way Reeve is with Superman.

 

[Ravagex]

I prefer almost all Synder versions.
Except Aquaman. Synder Aquaman was literally there to be grumpy and make every member feel worse.

 

[Yowza]

I prefer the Snyder Cut comparison to depictions in later movies...

The Whedon cut shouldn't be re-released at all. It's best just to let that fade with time. I'm not into revisionist B.S. This Snyder cut was the original take and the Whedon take needs to be weeded out just like the man himself.

 

[Ultra Nolanite]

Nothing or no one in the Whedon cut was better than anything in the Snyder cut. Well... I'll say that Superman maybe had a little bit more to say in the WC. And the Black suit was unnecessary. But in the WC Superman is hard to take serious anyway so that takes away a lot.

But other than that every ZSJL character was infinitely better.

I hated Flash in the WC now I really can't wait to see his film if they go as epic as the ZSJL. I'll admit, the pet store was a little silly but come on man they really made him shine at places, particularly during the final battle. There's just no comparison.

 

[Yowza]

The places I've been, you comment on someone's tattoo like Whedon did with Charisma you'd be slapped. I'm sure her son would oblige if he came across Whedon if he isn't a super nice person like his mom. LOL

At this point, the JL crew just doesn't want to embarass Whedon too much but has do the A > E just to at least let internal disciplinary matters be handled like they should've been in the first place.

 

[Deck Rickard]

I don’t think anyone here is saying that Whedon isn’t a trash person. I don’t even think anyone feels his movie was better. We were just comparing the versions of the characters.

 

[The Guard]

Nothing or no one in the Whedon cut was better than anything in the Snyder cut. Well... I'll say that Superman maybe had a little bit more to say in the WC. And the Black suit was unnecessary. But in the WC Superman is hard to take serious anyway so that takes away a lot.

Most of Whedon's changes were to compress things or add humor, which while occassionally working, wasn't entirely neccessary, and generally not an improvement because it was a compressed version of what ZSJL got fairly right.

However, immediately prior to and after Superman's resurrection, Whedon has two or three darn good scenes featuring interaction between the heroes as they discuss Superman's impact on the world and potential toward the league, the science behind, ethical issues and possible ramifications of raising him, Alfred and Bruce and Bruce and Diana that serve to flesh out their arcs considerably better, and are just good portrayals of the heroes and their struggles. The scenes balance humor and plot development pretty well. There's not much like that in the Snyder version. Whedon improved the cave team interaction/planning portion in some ways. And Whedon did actual things with Lois in relation to her career and in relation to the heroes, that at least touched on humanity reacting to the events of the film. And you know...as goofy as the Russian family and league saving civilians is...it really is the kind of thing the movie needed. A take on the people afraid and in peril from the threat. That was sorely lacking in ZSJL, aside from the people of Themyscira and Atlantis.

 

[STARMAN]

I didn't see any significant improvement with Batman, Wonder Woman or Aquaman.

Cyborg and Flash improved for me.

 

[moviefreak]

Cyborg/Victor Stone & Flash/Barry Allen vastly improved compared with JL:TC.

Clark interactions with Lois & Martha, Martha-MM interactions with Lois much improved over the "thirsty" & "smell good" banters.

Batman at least back to normal & not just goofy fella in JL:TC.

Aquaman - not much development except for the interactions with Vulko & Mera which was meant to setup the Aquaman solo by Wan.

Diana back to being a consistent character from BvS & WW, unlike the whiplash in WW84. Definite different from the JL:TC where she bore the brunt of Whedon sexist objectifying & was slow-ass warrior.

 

[Micromind]

Cyborg/Victor Stone & Flash/Barry Allen vastly improved compared with JL:TC.

Clark interactions with Lois & Martha, Martha-MM interactions with Lois much improved over the "thirsty" & "smell good" banters.

Batman at least back to normal & not just goofy fella in JL:TC.

Aquaman - not much development except for the interactions with Vulko & Mera which was meant to setup the Aquaman solo by Wan.

Diana back to being a consistent character from BvS & WW, unlike the whiplash in WW84. Definite different from the JL:TC where she bore the brunt of Whedon sexist objectifying & was slow-ass warrior.

Agree with all that and I will just add that the characters felt like characters we had seen before in MoS, BvS and WW.

 

[Marvolo]

Every character was improved in the Snyder cut.

 

[Stringer]

Most of Whedon's changes were to compress things or add humor, which while occassionally working, wasn't entirely neccessary, and generally not an improvement because it was a compressed version of what ZSJL got fairly right.

However, immediately prior to and after Superman's resurrection, Whedon has two or three darn good scenes featuring interaction between the heroes as they discuss Superman's impact on the world and potential toward the league, the science behind, ethical issues and possible ramifications of raising him, Alfred and Bruce and Bruce and Diana that serve to flesh out their arcs considerably better, and are just good portrayals of the heroes and their struggles. The scenes balance humor and plot development pretty well. There's not much like that in the Snyder version. Whedon improved the cave team interaction/planning portion in some ways. And Whedon did actual things with Lois in relation to her career and in relation to the heroes, that at least touched on humanity reacting to the events of the film. And you know...as goofy as the Russian family and league saving civilians is...it really is the kind of thing the movie needed. A take on the people afraid and in peril from the threat. That was sorely lacking in ZSJL, aside from the people of Themyscira and Atlantis.

Nah. For whatever reason, Whedon cut out all the additional saves Flash and Cyborg made during the underground sequence and a save Cyborg made during the Superman awakens fight. There's others I think I'm forgetting some others too, but that family truck save mess was just some lame Whedon stuff he put in there to mark his version of the movie, and undermine a better (miles better) scene of Barry saving the entire planet.

 

[The Guard]

He pretty clearly cut them for time and to streamline the story. That's why the scenes in Whedon's movie have Flash saving people in quick bursts at superspeed and the scenes and the moments of peril don't really breathe; its a few rapid moments of saves and jokes. Granted, he has the moment between Bruce and Barry, too.

 

[Stringer]

Again no, if it were just for the sake of cutting time and story, he wouldn't have added all those additional scenes of development between Diana and Bruce which took place of the development of Barry and Vic. What's clear is, Whedon/the studio had a different vision of who should get the biggest moments amongst the team than Snyder.

 

[Ultra Nolanite]

They totally ruined Flash in the Whedon cut. In the Snyder cut he has some of the most epic moments and saves. One of my favorite ones was him keeping the debris from landing on the hostages.

But it was equally epic watching him going superspeed to get Cyborg into the Motherbox. And then him going crazy superspeed to reverse the Unity.

Flash was a complete 180 for me in this, but then he also needed it the most and they definitely pulled it off for me. I can even forgive the dog pound scene.

 

[Superchan]

Cyborg/Victor Stone & Flash/Barry Allen vastly improved compared with JL:TC.

Clark interactions with Lois & Martha, Martha-MM interactions with Lois much improved over the "thirsty" & "smell good" banters.

Batman at least back to normal & not just goofy fella in JL:TC.

Aquaman - not much development except for the interactions with Vulko & Mera which was meant to setup the Aquaman solo by Wan.

Diana back to being a consistent character from BvS & WW, unlike the whiplash in WW84. Definite different from the JL:TC where she bore the brunt of Whedon sexist objectifying & was slow-ass warrior.

Cyborg- Aagreed, Whedon butchered him good. Poor Ray.

Batman- Yeah better than Whedon's jokey Batman but also MUCH better than Snyder's own psychotic version. Whedon seemed to try and correct a horribly misinterpreted Snyder Batman but ended up over-correcting.

Clark - Disagree, fake lip and silly one liners aside, Whedon's Superman seems to be happy to be alive and is a stark contrast to Snyder's mopey, emo version, nihilistic version. And btw the "smell good" line is Snyder's not Whedon's and I personally would take a silly line like "itchy" over "no one stays good in this world" because while the former is just a throwaway dumb line, the latter is a nihilistic line that goes against the whole "symbol of hope" that Snyder supposedly wanted us to see .
Also IMO MM's interaction with Lois as Martha is just as stupid and unnecessary as S.Trevor taking over someone else's body to come back to life.

Aquaman- I thought Arthur's tough but caring portrayal was much better than Whedon's version, which is actually Snyder's version chopped up.

WW- Disagree, I thought Diana's brutality in Snyder's version was jarring when compared with Jenkins's portrayal in WW1. In the first WW movie she wasn't a soft touch by any means but seeing her needlessly blow the **** out of that museum wall just to take out the villain was very Zack Snyder i.e. pointless and is just there because it looks "cool"

They totally ruined Flash in the Whedon cut. In the Snyder cut he has some of the most epic moments and saves. One of my favorite ones was him keeping the debris from landing on the hostages.

But it was equally epic watching him going superspeed to get Cyborg into the Motherbox. And then him going crazy superspeed to reverse the Unity.

Flash was a complete 180 for me in this, but then he also needed it the most and they definitely pulled it off for me. I can even forgive the dog pound scene.

Disagree, Flash was more or less the same, a light hearted every man (or kid) trying to save his dad from an injustice.
Whedon's brunch scene is silly but Flash's interaction with Batman "just save one" was excellent. I also think the "high Barry I'm Diana" fell flat while Barry's Hat scene with Arthur was chuckle worthy. So it's back and forth between Snyder and Whedon.
To be honest Barry doing Superman the movie and saving the world by reversing time is silly but I forgave Donner for doing it and will forgive Snyder also, not to mention the fact that seeing the 2 characters that are either underused (Cyborg) or haven't gotten their own solo yet (Barry) save the day was cool.

 

[Reel-Man]

And btw the "smell good" line is Snyder's not Whedon's...

No it’s not. That’s not even what she says in the movie. She says “you spoke.”

You’re free to like Whedon’s movie & all I have to say about him and his movie is **** em. #sorrynotsorry

 

[heatvision38]

No it’s not. That’s not even what she says in the movie. She says “you spoke.”

You’re free to like Whedon’s movie & all I have to say about him and his movie is **** em. #sorrynotsorry

Did she? I couldn't make that out so I assumed she said the same thing as in the TC. I'll have to pay more attention to that line next time.

 

[Reel-Man]

Yeah I wasn’t sure the first time around but on the second watch I paid closer attention that moment. Also just to confirm, I put on the subtitles and it is indeed “spoke” she says. It is after all the first time he speaks following his resurrection. She is surprised that he brought them there to the Kent farm to which he answers “this is home” followed by her line above.

 

[Superchan]

No it’s not. That’s not even what she says in the movie. She says “you spoke.”

You’re free to like Whedon’s movie & all I have to say about him and his movie is **** em. #sorrynotsorry

I beg to differ, she said "you smell good" and he said "had I not before?", otherwise his response wouldn't have made sense. By the way Whedon isn't the only one who put such silly lines in a DC movie, Snyder's past work includes masterpieces like "what if I have to tinkle", "I think he's hot", "they say it's all downhill after the first kiss", "she with you? I thought she's with you" and ofcourse the immortal "MARTHAAAA".

 

[Yowza]

I beg to differ, she said "you smell good" and he said "had I not before?", otherwise his response wouldn't have made sense. By the way Whedon isn't the only one who put such silly lines in a DC movie, Snyder's past work includes masterpieces like "what if I have to tinkle", "I think he's hot", "they say it's all downhill after the first kiss", "she with you? I thought she's with you" and ofcourse the immortal "MARTHAAAA".

I was talking about a totally different subject pertaining to JL3's purported end as indicated in the quote; I think you might have accidentally quoted me there cause I actually say it in the quote itself. LOL

 

[Yowza]

Here's my comment on the Martha scene in BvS on March 12th in a different thread:

Zack Snyder Directing Justice League (The Snyder Cut Edition) I don't get the level of anger over the Martha scene either. If you like the film for the most part I think rationalizing around it might work somewhat. I just think of this version of Batman as an older right wing zealout from a Frank Miller comic whose not a fan of IPODS or Occupy movements that is a bit narrow sighted in his quest to eliminate what he views as a danger to humanity while he's lost his own.

It's something that may not play well theatrically to an audience but just a moment of transition for Batman to be like hey what am I doing? I'm going to succeed no matter what... Yet... Wait? What's this? Batman has to do a double take for a moment after becoming overly occupied with his thoughts returning to the one thought that occupies his life daily?

It's just a lot of people's insecurity coming out watching that scene IMO.

 

[super85]

There are some , few things that I liked with Whedons version.

I liked that in his cut it was Batman who figured out that Superman has to see Lois to "snap out" of stuff if he goes crazy , when coming back to life.

Here it was just Lois going to get coffee every day at that time.

 

[Superchan]

I was talking about a totally different subject pertaining to JL3's purported end as indicated in the quote; I think you might have accidentally quoted me there cause I actually say it in the quote itself. LOL

Sorry dude, total accident, already edited and corrected.

 

[Spider-Fan]

For me, the theatrical did literally nothing better. So for all characters, ZSJL >>>>>>>>> JL2017

I will never watch the theatrical JL again. It effectively doesn't exist to me.