Strange New Worlds Star Trek: Strange New Worlds - General Discussion Thread

Overall I would rate Season 1 a 9/10.

The finale wasn't my favorite episode. I see what they were going for, an alternate take on Balance of Terror. What if Pike was the captain during that conflict instead of Kirk?

The end was a little murky to me. The alternate future Pike made it sound like Spock was the key to peace with the Romulans. I think the real point was that Pike was at a crossroads, and his one choice ended up having insanely huge consequences. I think the real choice was that in that moment, Kirk's decision to engage the Romulans was the right one and prevented war and further bloodshed.

At the same time, I feel like constantly punishing Pike for following his gut and instincts was somewhat mean-spirited.

But overall this season has been a joy to watch. 10 episodes was a good length to me. I'd be fine if they keep the seasons at 10. I don't like insanely long seasons. I think 10 strikes a good balance.

I wish Moon Knight and Halo were as good as this show. I just enjoyed watching this show and the cast interact. Moon Knight and Halo just constantly disappointed me or made me cringe.
 
TheVileOne said:
Overall I would rate Season 1 a 9/10.

The finale wasn't my favorite episode. I see what they were going for, an alternate take on Balance of Terror. What if Pike was the captain during that conflict instead of Kirk?

The end was a little murky to me. The alternate future Pike made it sound like Spock was the key to peace with the Romulans. I think the real point was that Pike was at a crossroads, and his one choice ended up having insanely huge consequences. I think the real choice was that in that moment, Kirk's decision to engage the Romulans was the right one and prevented war and further bloodshed.

At the same time, I feel like constantly punishing Pike for following his gut and instincts was somewhat mean-spirited.

But overall this season has been a joy to watch. 10 episodes was a good length to me. I'd be fine if they keep the seasons at 10. I don't like insanely long seasons. I think 10 strikes a good balance.

I wish Moon Knight and Halo were as good as this show. I just enjoyed watching this show and the cast interact. Moon Knight and Halo just constantly disappointed me or made me cringe.
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I do agree that this show was better than Halo and Moon Knight. I feel like Halo gets a worse rap than it deserves though; I think it was overall a good show but it just tried to have too many plot threads and the ones centered on Madrigal were just boring and detracted too much from the main story. Hopefully they learned from that and season 2 will be better. Though, with the way season 1 ended, I also worry that much of season 2 will just feature Master Chief as a faceless cipher to sub in for the audience because the producers think that’s what fans want.

Moon Knight had some good moments but yeah, overall it just felt tonally off. It didn’t need to be as dark as Daredevil but at times it almost felt like a slapstick comedy. And then when they tried to lean into the pulpy Indiana Jones-style adventure, that felt kinda flat too. Feels like a missed opportunity.

Though if I’m comparing all three shows, I think the best way to do so is to look at the worst episode from each one. As much as I didn’t like the Madrigal-centric episode in Halo and the talking hippo episode of Moon Knight, I think I have to say that Renn Faire on the Enterprise trumped them both in terms of cringe, lol. Fortunately, the other 9 episodes were awesome.
 
See I enjoyed Renn Faire from the perspective it was a child and a childlike entity creating a playtime story. It seemed consistent for longtime Star Trek storytelling.
 
So far we recastings of Kirk, Spock, Uhura, and Chapel from the original series. Hope recastings for McCoy, Scott, Sulu, and Chekov will be good.

Paul Wesley's Kirk looks like he could cover the Motion Picture era with the grey uniforms.
 
TheVileOne said:
See I enjoyed Renn Faire from the perspective it was a child and a childlike entity creating a playtime story. It seemed consistent for longtime Star Trek storytelling.
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Fair(e) enough. I know some fans really enjoyed it. I do think it had some nice moments with M’Benga and Hemmer and I get what they were going for. It just seem a little too silly for my taste. I don’t know if you ever watched Moonlighting back in the day, but towards the end of the show, it really went off the rails and they did this stupid episode where the cast acted out a parody version of The Taming of the Shrew. That episode of Strange New Worlds reminded me of that and I don’t know that I’ll ever forgive them for unearthing that deeply horrific memory.
 
Deck Rickard said:
Fair(e) enough. I know some fans really enjoyed it. I do think it had some nice moments with M’Benga and Hemmer and I get what they were going for. It just seem a little too silly for my taste. I don’t know if you ever watched Moonlighting back in the day, but towards the end of the show, it really went off the rails and they did this stupid episode where the cast acted out a parody version of The Taming of the Shrew. That episode of Strange New Worlds reminded me of that and I don’t know that I’ll ever forgive them for unearthing that deeply horrific memory.
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I do want to go back and watch all of Moonlighting at some point.

But yes I totally get what you are saying. Sometimes stories like this really walk a fine line, and longtime shows will do kind of funny parody where they riff on a musical or Shakespeare or a fairy tale setting, to get all the leads to act silly or wildly out of character. I can see why it would be off-putting.
 
I mean, the only issue is that the Enterprise during this period didn't have a holodeck to malfunction.
 
Shatner is certainly entitled to his opinion.
But, even he is right,
I Shall ContinueTo Enjoy All My Modern Trek Shows.
And,
I KNOW THAT I SHALL NOT BE ALONE IN DOING SO!
 
I’m sure the “WOKE TREK SUCKZ!” crowd is having a field day with his comments.


Meanwhile, Shatner is probably just pissed because Paramount hasn’t offered to do a show called “Kirk” that centers solely on him.
 
Deck Rickard said:
Fair(e) enough. I know some fans really enjoyed it. I do think it had some nice moments with M’Benga and Hemmer and I get what they were going for. It just seem a little too silly for my taste. I don’t know if you ever watched Moonlighting back in the day, but towards the end of the show, it really went off the rails and they did this stupid episode where the cast acted out a parody version of The Taming of the Shrew. That episode of Strange New Worlds reminded me of that and I don’t know that I’ll ever forgive them for unearthing that deeply horrific memory.
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You may have an issue with season 2 then...



By the Prophets!!!!

:woo::woo::woo::woo::woo::woo::woo::woo::woo:
 
Sithborg said:
And Roddenbery would have hated DS9. So, you know, **** him. Much like with Stan Lee, just because you create a thing, doesn't make you the definitive voice on a thing.
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Are you referring to Shatner or Rodenberry here about the definitive voice thing? I am not following, are you say f Rodenberry or Shatner? But I do disagree, if you create the thing you are the end all be all. It is your universe, you can take suggestions but the creator should have the last word. Or else it stops being their creation and just a homage, based on, or tribute. If the creator isn't alive anymore than all you can do is base it on their work or vision.

As far as Shatner he could just be regretting letting his character die in Generations. Now he has to watch Picard get his own show. Shatner might also feel like they are trying to redo his series and pretty much erasing him from memory. It might be tough watching a new series set in his era and not seeing any work come his way from it. I mean they could cast him as an admiral or something.

But yeah although I agree the nutrek is bad I think Rodenberry would probably have tried to course correct. His view towards humanity is what he probably would've hated the most about these new shows. In Rodenberry's Trek mankind was at the pinnacle and were exploring the unknown. Now it is all tragedy and forced drama amongst the Humans. Not to mention all the nutrek shows are just stuck in the same era. Star Trek used to progress forward. We still haven't gotten to the next step after TNG, DS9 and VOY were still in the TNG era. Then we went back to ENT, a prequel show. DISC started another prequel and is now trapped in the future, but it is still just a prequel show in the future. And now with SNW we are stuck in the TOS era again. The only show to actually move forward is Picard and that is about the captain from TNG, so you see we are still not past TNG's era. So until we move forward we are just stagnant. I think that is what Rodenberry would have the most issue with. Humanity hadn't progressed in Star Trek since his time.
 
Did Roddenberry write all the episodes of TOS? Of the Animated Series? All the movies and TNG episodes of when he was alive?

It is one thing to say a person is the sole voice of what something is when they were the only voice involved. But once you bring in more voices, which you tend to have in a writer's room, or the various other ways of getting scripts, it ceases to be one voice. And properties can evolve beyond their creators. Hell, this whole site is dedicated to so many properties that have done that.

Deep Space Nine is my favorite Trek. It is also the one that was possible because Roddenberry was dead. Complex interpersonal relationships. Religion.
 
Sithborg said:
Did Roddenberry write all the episodes of TOS? Of the Animated Series? All the movies and TNG episodes of when he was alive?

It is one thing to say a person is the sole voice of what something is when they were the only voice involved. But once you bring in more voices, which you tend to have in a writer's room, or the various other ways of getting scripts, it ceases to be one voice. And properties can evolve beyond their creators. Hell, this whole site is dedicated to so many properties that have done that.

Deep Space Nine is my favorite Trek. It is also the one that was possible because Roddenberry was dead. Complex interpersonal relationships. Religion.
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I also hold ds9 as my favorite. So to be clear you were saying F Rodenberry and his voice isn't the definitive one? I disagree with this completely. He was the authority as any creator of a universe is. Sure rights get sold or projects setup and passed along to others, but any creator is still the absolute authority of their own creation. It may evolve and go beyond them but they still know their own creation better than anyone else.
Lets say you created something and I show up after the fact and make it better. Does that mean I have more authority over your creation than you? Do I know how you setup and what rules govern your universe better than you? You may have not told me everything about the universe yet so I am only partially aware of what can and can't be done. You don't think I would ask you if certain things can be done in your universe? Am I suppose to know the motivations and driving forces behind all your characters without asking you? So why am I asking you, well because you are the authority of your universe you created. So yes Rodenberry was the authority on Star Trek, now all we have are people who are just speculating on things. Which is probably why they are staying in the same era's. They have no clue what to do because there is no definitive authority left.
 
My point about Roddenberry was that in a process, where you are accepting scripts from other people, often times many other people, then the creation process is far more collabrative, and the idea of a single creator being sole authority feels silly. Deep Space Nine, one of your own favs, itself goes against many, many of the precious creator's guidelines for Trek. So, the question becomes, when is it okay for something to grow beyond its creator. Because for me, a property or franchise can be many, many things. And it is okay if they all aren't for you. Enjoy what you enjoy, and don't rage against what you don't.

For me and my Star Wars fandom, the live action format is the lesser medium to tell a Star Wars story. Within my Godzilla fandom, I embrace the rainbow the big G has gone through over 70 years.
 
Sithborg said:
My point about Roddenberry was that in a process, where you are accepting scripts from other people, often times many other people, then the creation process is far more collabrative, and the idea of a single creator being sole authority feels silly. Deep Space Nine, one of your own favs, itself goes against many, many of the precious creator's guidelines for Trek. So, the question becomes, when is it okay for something to grow beyond its creator. Because for me, a property or franchise can be many, many things. And it is okay if they all aren't for you. Enjoy what you enjoy, and don't rage against what you don't.

For me and my Star Wars fandom, the live action format is the lesser medium to tell a Star Wars story. Within my Godzilla fandom, I embrace the rainbow the big G has gone through over 70 years.
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We might have a slight misunderstanding on the word authority, it does have a couple meanings. So to clarify when I say authority I mean the expert. To me the person that created Star Trek will always be the authority/expert, meaning he knows the ins and outs of the creation. It doesn't matter how many people collaborate or are adding to the universe. Rodenberry created it and he set up the rules that everyone else gets to play with and fit into. With DS9 we had people play in the universe and do their version quite well. But like I said before Rodenberry was the expert of his universe, everyone else is just speculating.
 
Strange New Worlds was only ten episodes, but it was better than the first ten episodes of TNG and DS9. La'an, Christine Chapel, and T'Pring were my favorite characters.
 
AvengerPA said:
Strange New Worlds was only ten episodes, but it was better than the first ten episodes of TNG and DS9. La'an, Christine Chapel, and T'Pring were my favorite characters.
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I liked the first season of ds9, but really favorites are just subjective so it isn't a big deal. Although I would agree one of the stand out episodes from DS9 season 1 for me is Duet, and it wasn't until the end of the season. But I liked the new setting of DS9. I think DS9 started strong with the connection to Wolf 359. If DS9 only had 10 episodes I am sure they would have cut the filler ones. The first season introduce a great bunch of characters as well. I would put the ds9 cast up against any Trek cast, I think they are really strong actors.
 
I just realized, with Strange New Worlds accepting Lower Decks, we can this:

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The Next Generation had some stinkers in its first season as well, ie JUSTICE, which was in the first 10 episodes.
 
Star Trek tends to not have good seasons. General rule of thumb, a series doesn't get great till there is a hair change. Luckily, Lower Decks and Strange New Worlds are exceptions. Pike's hair is already kind of out of control.
 
I straight up missed all of Uhura's tragic backstory because I was too distracted by Pike's hair in that scene.
 
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