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I just think that the final say about getting an abortion lies with the woman who is pregnant and has to decide.
I just think that the final say about getting an abortion lies with the woman who is pregnant and has to decide.
I agree.....which is why I am pro-choice.
A doctor that will not do the abortion is not telling her she doesn't have the right to her choice, but he/she may be telling her to get a second opinion....
Exactly. This isn't about "choice" or "freedom"...its about forcing every agent, professional, organization, business, individual in this community to submit to an abortion-on-demand agenda.
Kel said:I agree.....which is why I am pro-choice.
A doctor that will not do the abortion is not telling her she doesn't have the right to her choice, but he/she may be telling her to get a second opinion....
Which is about as true as saying the pro-life crowd are simply trying to force women back into the kitchen where they belong...
I don't feel a doctor should be allowed to do that. If a woman wants an abortion then a doctor should be required by law to perform it. I find myself very uncomfortable with the concpt of doctors letting personal feelins intefere with their work.
Yes, I am Pro-Choice but even if I were opposed to abortion I wouldn't want doctors refusing to perform them
Did you read this thread? No, mines is truer. Requiring tax dollars to pay for abortions for minors, insurance policies covering abortions, boycotting football players for taking about their mother, and requiring doctors to carry out abortions is a pretty statist position to take even if you're pro-choice.
Did I say all pro-choicers support that? No, I said that those who support requiring doctors and middle schools to carry out abortions are using the "choice" rhetoric to hide their statist agenda.
Kel said:Do you think a doctor should kill a 1 month old baby if their mother decides that is what she wants to do? Because to a doctor that does not believe in abortion, that is exactly what he is doing....he believes that life begins at conception, you may not....and that's fine, that is a question no one has been able to answer for me....and in my case, I would not have an abortion, but I don't think that my choice, should be the choice of everyone. IF, the mother's life is in danger, then the doctor, I'm sure would do the abortion....if her life is not in danger, she can go find a doctor that will do the abortion.
I guess then if assisted suicide becomes law, and a doctor is against this, they should still have to do it, because they are a doctor?
I'm curious as to how many people support this "statist agenda" which you seem to be tossing out here? Once again the exaggeration here is on par with those who characterize pro-life groups as trying to take away women's rights with parental control laws.
I feel a doctors decisions should be governed solely by hard,scientific and medical fact. And there is no strong scientific proof that life begins at conception. If a doctor wishes to believe that it does then that is their personal opinion and they have every right to it. But I feel it should not govern their decisions when they are on the job.
I don't have an exact number, but if you read the last 5 pages you'll find posters who do support this and at least one reference to a news article of communities that sanction schools to misinform parents. So the people are out there and I have a right to call it out and debate it when I see it, sir.
So focusing on a minority of people who in no way have any real influence on the issue and adds nothing constructive to the national discourse is you're way of addressing the abortion issue? You can call them out all you want but that adds nothing to the debate and only helps to perpetuate the stereotypes which unfortunately pervade the issue. I mean geez why worry about exceptions dealing with women's health in laws or finding a way to educate people on abortions when we can call out these "communities" on this pressing issue...
SentinelMind said:What if they are part of a medical community that does not believe abortion or euthenasia is a valid medically necessary procedure?
Addendum said:Yes, you have that right. Anything else is another matter.
So focusing on a minority of people who in no way have any real influence on the issue and adds nothing constructive to the national discourse is you're way of addressing the abortion issue? You can call them out all you want but that adds nothing to the debate and only helps to perpetuate the stereotypes which unfortunately pervade the issue. I mean geez why worry about exceptions dealing with women's health in laws or finding a way to educate people on abortions when we can call out these "communities" on this pressing issue...
Like organizing and voting against it?
whoa, you're blowing a fuze here. I have a right to debate people have different opinion, no matter how significant you think they are. I have a right to discuss enforcedLAWS that require doctors to misinform parents about child's abortions, regardless of whether you think that focusing on existing laws creates "stereotypes that pervades this issue"
We tend to do this a lot around here....