Group of preachers claim planned parenthood are racists!

[danoyse]

Should a pharmacist (or any professional) be required to violate his/her religious or moral beliefs in the practice of his/her profession? I say no. There are other people who will perform abortions, and there are other people who will fill prescriptions. Obviously, y'all disagree.

I was prescribed birth control once to deal with a medical issue that had recently landed me in the emergency room. If a pharmacist had decided to keep them from me due to "moral obligations" I think I would have hit the roof. It's not his/her job to decide what I can or can't take after it's been prescribed by my own doctor.

If someone's religious beliefs are that strong that they feel they can deny someone the medicine they need, then they shouldn't be pharmacists.

 

[The Senator]

So that makes it automatically untrue??? Just because it came from anti-abortion groups?? So by that same logic I say that evolution is a fairy tale because it comes from Atheist scientists who already have a bias against creation.

Yes, it does make it untrue because those are opinion pieces. But more importantly, they're opinion pieces arguing one side of the issue. There's nothing scholarly in that research, with the exception of statistics, which are easily manipulated, but are never the less the one detail which can be considered "factual." If I used any of those other sources in a research paper at my university, the professor would hand it back and laugh in my face.

Meanwhile, evolution is a theory based on evidence. These scientists went out into the field and used scientific equipment (I know the scientific method is too difficult for you to understand, but stay with me) to gather evidence which supported their claim. They tested DNA, they carbon dated fossils... they drew their own conclusions. It's not like Darwin woke up one morning, went on a blog and said "God is teh dumb!" Regardless of whether you agree with their theory or not, they spent years researching this through scientific findings, versus ten minutes of putzing around anti-abortion websites.

Have you ever read Margaret Sangers reasons for starting PP?? Not only did she hate brown people, but she the poor were a waste of space as well. Hitler was her inspiration. Did you know the majority of their clinics (85 percent) are found in urban areas??

Did you know that, regardless of what Margaret Sanger believed, these women ultimately decide to abort their pregnancies themselves? You know, because these women are living, breathing, thinking human beings who have the ability to walk into an abortion clinic and request a termination of their pregnancy. If Margaret Sanger had a secret army going around inner city Detroit so they could kidnap pregnant black women and force abortions on them, then I would see your argument that it's genocide. But it can't be genocide if the woman decides herself to end her pregnancy.

On that issue, I'll agree with you. But if you are putting your clinics in areas where people are desperate and then you position yourself as the savior while really being the wolf, there's some big issues there.

Again, it doesn't matter where these clinics are. There's a clinic in Dupont Circle in Washington, DC... does that mean Margaret Sanger wanted to cleanse the wealthy as well? This is a conscientious choice made by the pregnant woman. That's it. And if you're going around spewing some thought that Margaret Sanger or any other abortion doctor has some master plan to wipe out an entire race through abortions, you might as well go over to 9/11 Truth and hang out with your own kind.

 

[rdh007]

It seems to me that if this argument was being made (that there was some sort of conspiracy against black people, poor people, or homosexuals) and the issue wasn't abortion--there would be many people who buy this one that wouldn't buy the hypothetical one.

 

[Mr Sparkle]

It seems to me that if this argument was being made (that there was some sort of conspiracy against black people, poor people, or homosexuals) and the issue wasn't abortion--there would be many people who buy this one that wouldn't buy the hypothetical one.

I also wonder why some people who were pretty outraged about the whole reverend wright thing aren't "appalled" that some people are suggesting some vast conspiracy against black people.

 

[Memphis Slim]

BLACKS ON HIT LIST

Last Thursday a group of black pastors released a letter calling for all presidential candidates and other politicians to return or refuse to accept campaign donations made by Planned Parenthood nationally. I was proud to be a part of that effort. A recent Wall Street Journal story cited that Planned Parenthood is contributing an unprecedented 10 million dollars to various political campaigns this election cycle.
At first blush this seems like an extravagant, if not frivolous, use of money. Only those who are aware of the 305 million dollars a year of federal money that this organization rakes in would understand this strategic move. When the average person thinks of special interest groups, they often look at big businesses or certain industry lobbyists. But this is not always the case.

Planned Parenthood has a public face that says they are supporting the rights of women to assert their reproductive rights. Unfortunately, recent investigations and reports suggest that this organization is actually peddling death in an
aggressive and unethical manner. In Kansas the organization is under criminal investigation for falsifying documents and performing late term abortions. It faces 23 felony counts.
Planned Parenthood has also dealt in the realm of deception concerning the age of its customers. In Ohio, Planned Parenthood is being sued for failing to report the rape of a 16-year-old by her father. This is not the first time that center leaders have tried to bend age-related reporting requirement. Eleven months ago UCLA student Lila Rose appeared on the O’Reilly Factor stating the some Planned Parenthood centers attempt to hide child abuse or statutory rape by encouraging underage mothers to falsify their ages in order to receive an abortion.

Others believe that the organization, founded by Margaret Sanger, has actually swindled the government out of money. In California, former Los Angeles city officials have accused the California Planned Parenthood organization of defrauding taxpayers of over 180 million dollars.

What made us as black leaders decide to address the issue at this point in time? I cannot speak for all the other ministers, but I believe that my concerns are shared by many of them. The simple answer is that so many reports about Planned Parenthood’s blatant disrespect for the law have recently surfaced that it required response immediately. I believe that before these court cases and accusations become old news, people of conscience of all races must stand up and be counted.
If Planned Parenthood is brought into check, it will substantially affect the entire abortion industry. Planned Parenthood has 850 centers around the country and is the largest provider of abortions in the nation. In addition, experts estimate that 75% of Planned Parenthood centers are located in close proximity to minority neighborhoods.

Known as a eugenicist who spoke of sterilizing those she designated as “unfit,” founder Margaret Sanger had no love in her heart for blacks. Today scholars have discovered the following statement written by Sanger, "We do not want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population.” As a result the black community is disproportionately affected by the posture, placement, and philosophy of this organization. Over 1,200 black babies are aborted every day in America which amounts to over 35% of the total number of babies aborted in the nation. This genocide teamed with the rise of HIV/AIDS deaths and murders may lead to negative population growth.

This a moral issue of great magnitude that can affect the black community for decades. A final straw that has broken the camel’s back has been added to the litany of problems that this organization has created --- Planned Parenthood facilities around the country have been accused of accepting contributions from racist donors. A group of concerned people conducted their own “sting” operation which has exposed a willingness of Planned Parenthood employees to accommodate racist donors. In fact, clinic personnel in Ohio, New Mexico, Idaho and Oklahoma have been captured on tape pandering to a potential donor with a racist agenda.
In general, the media has turned a deaf ear to the issue of abortion. Reporters often call this issue divisive and polarizing. I am thrilled that there are a growing number of black leaders who are willing to stand up and be counted on this important issue. Interestingly, it is the black leadership in this anti Planned Parenthood initiative that is beginning to draw national attention. To the press, it’s a “man bites dog story” – a reversal of common wisdom. Now is the time for blacks and whites to work together, to strike a blow against the unethical practices of the “death industry” in America.

Bishop Harry Jackson is chairman of the High Impact Leadership Coalition and senior pastor of Hope Christian Church in Beltsville, MD, and co-authored, Personal Faith, Public Policy [FrontLine; March 2008] with Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council.

 

[The Senator]

So, why is it that Slim is allowed to make numerous threads when none of them are based in actual truth? Can't someone merge all of them into one big "Slim's Crazy Conspiracies and Opinions Thread?" You know, since none of what he says is grounded in truth, simply opinion pieces and wacky conspiracy theories?

 

[Memphis Slim]

So, why is it that Slim is allowed to make numerous threads when none of them are based in actual truth? Can't someone merge all of them into one big "Slim's Crazy Conspiracies and Opinions Thread?" You know, since none of what he says is grounded in truth, simply opinion pieces and wacky conspiracy theories?

Have you read any of Sanger's writings on race?

 

[The Senator]

Have you read any of Sanger's writings on race?

Does it ****ing matter what Margaret Sanger thinks? Planned Parenthood is not a genocidal agency, Slim. They don't go around taking pregnant women from their homes or hospitals and force them to terminate their pregnancies. These women, regardless of their race, make a choice. It comes down to their decision in the end. Planned Parenthood does not force anyone to do anything, so even if it was founded by Strom Thurmond, it wouldn't matter because it has since transformed itself into an entirely different agency.

And none of what you have provided as sources are composed of non-biased material. Find an article from a credible journal or newspaper, that isn't a right-leaning, "OMG Abortion Kills Babies!" opinion piece, which has substantial evidence to prove that Planned Parenthood is conspiring to "murder" African-Americans.

 

[Memphis Slim]

Does it ****ing matter what Margaret Sanger thinks? Planned Parenthood is not a genocidal agency, Slim. They don't go around taking pregnant women from their homes or hospitals and force them to terminate their pregnancies. These women, regardless of their race, make a choice. It comes down to their decision in the end. Planned Parenthood does not force anyone to do anything, so even if it was founded by Strom Thurmond, it wouldn't matter because it has since transformed itself into an entirely different agency.

And none of what you have provided as sources are composed of non-biased material. Find an article from a credible journal or newspaper, that isn't a right-leaning, "OMG Abortion Kills Babies!" opinion piece, which has substantial evidence to prove that Planned Parenthood is conspiring to "murder" African-Americans.

"Our failure to segregate morons who are increasing and multiplying . . . demonstrates our foolhardy and extravagant sentimentalism," she wrote in the recently republished "The Pivot of Civilization." This book, written in 1922, was published at a time when scientific racism had been used to assert black inferiority. Who determines who is a moron? How would these morons be segregated? The ramifications of such statements are bone chilling.


In the book "Killer Angel", through detailed research and concise writing, George Grant unveils Sanger's true character and ideology, which included blatant racism, revolutionary socialism, sexual perversion and insatiable avarice. Grant includes direct quotes from sources such as Sanger's Birth Control Review to support his findings. His biography spans Sanger's disturbed and unhappy upbringing which Sanger said contributed to her agitation and bitterness later in lifeÑto her eventual fixation with drugs, alcohol and the occult.

Particularly shocking was Sanger's involvement in the Eugenics movement. Grant says: "[Sanger] was thoroughly convinced that the inferior races' were in fact human weeds' and a menace to civilization.' . . . he was a true believer, not simply someone who assimilated the jargon of the timesÑas Planned Parenthood officials would have us believe."


This doesn't matter to you?

 

[The Senator]

"Our failure to segregate morons who are increasing and multiplying . . . demonstrates our foolhardy and extravagant sentimentalism," she wrote in the recently republished "The Pivot of Civilization." This book, written in 1922, was published at a time when scientific racism had been used to assert black inferiority. Who determines who is a moron? How would these morons be segregated? The ramifications of such statements are bone chilling.


In the book "Killer Angel", through detailed research and concise writing, George Grant unveils Sanger's true character and ideology, which included blatant racism, revolutionary socialism, sexual perversion and insatiable avarice. Grant includes direct quotes from sources such as Sanger's Birth Control Review to support his findings. His biography spans Sanger's disturbed and unhappy upbringing which Sanger said contributed to her agitation and bitterness later in lifeÑto her eventual fixation with drugs, alcohol and the occult.

Particularly shocking was Sanger's involvement in the Eugenics movement. Grant says: "[Sanger] was thoroughly convinced that the inferior races' were in fact human weeds' and a menace to civilization.' . . . he was a true believer, not simply someone who assimilated the jargon of the timesÑas Planned Parenthood officials would have us believe."


This doesn't matter to you?

No, it doesn't, because Margaret Sanger isn't alive anymore and therefore she doesn't dictate how Planned Parenthood works. Her writings never came into fruition, or at least no non-biased investigation has come out to prove that African Americans are being wiped out at the hands of her organization. Most importantly, it doesn't matter because Planned Parenthood doesn't go out and collect African Americans en masse so they can terminate their pregnancies.

But please... let the conspiracies continue

 

[C.F. Kane]

Did you know that, regardless of what Margaret Sanger believed, these women ultimately decide to abort their pregnancies themselves? You know, because these women are living, breathing, thinking human beings who have the ability to walk into an abortion clinic and request a termination of their presidency. If Margaret Sanger had a secret army going around inner city Detroit so they could kidnap pregnant black women and force abortions on them, then I would see your argument that it's genocide. But it can't be genocide if the woman decides herself to end her pregnancy.

As much as I agree with Jman's arguments, I can't help but laugh at a typo like this.

 

[The Senator]

As much as I agree with Jman's arguments, I can't help but laugh at a typo like this.

Son of a *****...

 

[amazingfantasy15]

BLACKS ON HIT LIST

Last Thursday a group of black pastors released a letter calling for all presidential candidates and other politicians to return or refuse to accept campaign donations made by Planned Parenthood nationally. I was proud to be a part of that effort. A recent Wall Street Journal story cited that Planned Parenthood is contributing an unprecedented 10 million dollars to various political campaigns this election cycle.
At first blush this seems like an extravagant, if not frivolous, use of money. Only those who are aware of the 305 million dollars a year of federal money that this organization rakes in would understand this strategic move. When the average person thinks of special interest groups, they often look at big businesses or certain industry lobbyists. But this is not always the case.

Planned Parenthood has a public face that says they are supporting the rights of women to assert their reproductive rights. Unfortunately, recent investigations and reports suggest that this organization is actually peddling death in an
aggressive and unethical manner. In Kansas the organization is under criminal investigation for falsifying documents and performing late term abortions. It faces 23 felony counts.
Planned Parenthood has also dealt in the realm of deception concerning the age of its customers. In Ohio, Planned Parenthood is being sued for failing to report the rape of a 16-year-old by her father. This is not the first time that center leaders have tried to bend age-related reporting requirement. Eleven months ago UCLA student Lila Rose appeared on the O’Reilly Factor stating the some Planned Parenthood centers attempt to hide child abuse or statutory rape by encouraging underage mothers to falsify their ages in order to receive an abortion.

Others believe that the organization, founded by Margaret Sanger, has actually swindled the government out of money. In California, former Los Angeles city officials have accused the California Planned Parenthood organization of defrauding taxpayers of over 180 million dollars.

What made us as black leaders decide to address the issue at this point in time? I cannot speak for all the other ministers, but I believe that my concerns are shared by many of them. The simple answer is that so many reports about Planned Parenthood’s blatant disrespect for the law have recently surfaced that it required response immediately. I believe that before these court cases and accusations become old news, people of conscience of all races must stand up and be counted.
If Planned Parenthood is brought into check, it will substantially affect the entire abortion industry. Planned Parenthood has 850 centers around the country and is the largest provider of abortions in the nation. In addition, experts estimate that 75% of Planned Parenthood centers are located in close proximity to minority neighborhoods.

Known as a eugenicist who spoke of sterilizing those she designated as “unfit,” founder Margaret Sanger had no love in her heart for blacks. Today scholars have discovered the following statement written by Sanger, "We do not want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population.” As a result the black community is disproportionately affected by the posture, placement, and philosophy of this organization. Over 1,200 black babies are aborted every day in America which amounts to over 35% of the total number of babies aborted in the nation. This genocide teamed with the rise of HIV/AIDS deaths and murders may lead to negative population growth.

This a moral issue of great magnitude that can affect the black community for decades. A final straw that has broken the camel’s back has been added to the litany of problems that this organization has created --- Planned Parenthood facilities around the country have been accused of accepting contributions from racist donors. A group of concerned people conducted their own “sting” operation which has exposed a willingness of Planned Parenthood employees to accommodate racist donors. In fact, clinic personnel in Ohio, New Mexico, Idaho and Oklahoma have been captured on tape pandering to a potential donor with a racist agenda.
In general, the media has turned a deaf ear to the issue of abortion. Reporters often call this issue divisive and polarizing. I am thrilled that there are a growing number of black leaders who are willing to stand up and be counted on this important issue. Interestingly, it is the black leadership in this anti Planned Parenthood initiative that is beginning to draw national attention. To the press, it’s a “man bites dog story” – a reversal of common wisdom. Now is the time for blacks and whites to work together, to strike a blow against the unethical practices of the “death industry” in America.

Bishop Harry Jackson is chairman of the High Impact Leadership Coalition and senior pastor of Hope Christian Church in Beltsville, MD, and co-authored, Personal Faith, Public Policy [FrontLine; March 2008] with Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council.

Please highlight in this article where it says Planned Parenthood is forcing Black women to have abortions. That's the only way I can see this argument being relavant. Obviously there's a demand for Planned Parenthood's services in these neighborhood, no organization is going to keep an office open where there's no business.

 

[Goddessreicho]

Holy cow, the comments so far make my head spin. I hate to break it to a certain some, but CellMemphisDogSlim is not far from reality on this one.

Margaret Sanger (and her brain child) Planned Parenthood did at first soley exsist to wipe away the cycle of poverty, disease, un-education and Black people. And not necessarily in that order.

Spanger was a big fan of genocide of the "lesser races" and believed in the fake science of eugenics. BTW, to the poster who believed that this was about Africans, it's not. It's a CLASS thing and a BLACK AMERICAN thing, originally. I am by no means saying that only Black women get abortions, cause that is sooo not true.

Here are some excepts in Sanger's own words from her autobiography, articles, and a special speech she gave in Silver Lake NJ:

Birth control must lead ultimately to a cleaner race.

Margaret Sanger. Woman, Morality, and Birth Control. New York: New York Publishing Company, 1922. Page 12.

We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don't want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population. and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.

Margaret Sanger's December 19, 1939 letter to Dr. Clarence Gamble, 255 Adams Street, Milton, Massachusetts.

No wait, it gets more obvious for those who want to downplay this.

Eugenics is … the most adequate and thorough avenue to the solution of racial, political and social problems.

Margaret Sanger. The Eugenic Value of Birth Control Propaganda. Birth Control Review, October 1921, page 5.

I totally saved this one for last.

Our failure to segregate morons who are increasing and multiplying ... demonstrates our foolhardy and extravagant sentimentalism ... [Philanthropists] encourage the healthier and more normal sections of the world to shoulder the burden of unthinking and indiscriminate fecundity of others; which brings with it, as I think the reader must agree, a dead weight of human waste. Instead of decreasing and aiming to eliminate (Notice how this is NOT the first time Spanger herself says "eliminate" when speaking of mandatory reproductive control of a RACE of people) the stocks that are most detrimental to the future of the race and the world, it tends to render them to a menacing degree dominant ... We are paying for, and even submitting to, the dictates of an ever-increasing, unceasingly spawning class of human beings who never should have been born at all.

Margaret Sanger. The Pivot of Civilization, 1922. Chapter on "The Cruelty of Charity," pages 116, 122, and 189. Swarthmore College Library edition.

The third group [of society] are those irresponsible and reckless ones having little regard for the consequences of their acts, or whose religious scruples prevent their exercising control over their numbers. Many of this group are diseased, feeble-minded, and are of the pauper element dependent upon the normal and fit members of society for their support. There is no doubt in the minds of all thinking people that the procreation of this group should be stopped.

Margaret Sanger, The Birth Control Review, Gothic Press, pages 172 and 174.


Who was she speaking to in Silver Lake New Jersey, the Women's KKK.

Some brown nosing professor I had a few years back wanted to use a book that celebrated Spanger in a Women's Fem class I took. He asked why I hadn't gotten the book, and I took the book about Spanger I got from the library and showed him this and some other lovely tidbits. I'm shocked that people don't actually know that PP really was out to get black and poor people. That's why almost 80% of the locations are in poor ethnic neighborhoods. I mean, how more obvious can it get.

Here's one more for those that don't get it. Tada


The most insulting thing I learned recently is that MLK Jr was the first recipient of the Planned Parenthood Margaret Sanger Award (1966), I think she was also alive by then too. I dunno, but according to her theory on Black People, MLK was just the perfect pawn for it.

Edit: I forgot to add, the group (granted it was a prolife UCLA student organization) also did the same thing to the other seven headquarters of PP and NO ONE turned down the money. I know that this was a trap waiting to happen, but it does not mean that the employee on the phone had to fall for it.

 

[The Senator]

Again, it doesn't ****ing matter what Margaret Sanger thought. What ultimately matters is the choice these women make when they decide to terminate their pregnancies. Margaret Sanger thought these things, what, sixty years ago? She's been dead for forty-two years. Her influence doesn't matter. The organization has changed leadership and it has different priorities. People who work for PP don't go home in the evening and pray to an effigy of Sanger. They don't don Sanger masks and walk into black neighborhoods collecting pregnant women and tearing the fetus out of their womb. This is not genocide-- it can't be genocide if the women choose to abort their pregnancies.

And it isn't just black women who receive abortions; women from all walks of life do so on a daily basis. There are abortion clinics in rich neighborhoods as there are in poor neighborhoods. This is a conscientious choice made by one person and one person only, not the decision of an organization who was founded by some lunatic.

 

[Goddessreicho]

Again, it doesn't ****ing matter what Margaret Sanger thought. What ultimately matters is the choice these women make when they decide to terminate their pregnancies. Margaret Sanger thought these things, what, sixty years ago? She's been dead for forty-two years. Her influence doesn't matter. The organization has changed leadership and it has different priorities. People who work for PP don't go home in the evening and pray to an effigy of Sanger. They don't don Sanger masks and walk into black neighborhoods collecting pregnant women and tearing the fetus out of their womb. This is not genocide-- it can't be genocide if the women choose to abort their pregnancies.

Did you even read the latter portion of my post? PP isn't FORCING anything. That was actually the WHOLE point of the post. What they did (as in THE PAST) was make it really easy to have poor people (who were disproportionately black because of institutionalized racism) abort pregnancies.

The Idaho PP totally got caught practicing Spanger's eugenic experiment. I can't possible make that any simpler if you didn't read the whole post. If you don't believe me look up PP own statistics on their locations.

Personally I don't trust them. I've never need anything from them, and after finding alot of this information out, I refuse to support them in any way shape and form. Ironically enough, I'm still very much pro-choice.

Edit: I reiterate, Planned Parenthood isn't combing the streets looking for pregnant Women of Color, they don't have to when they make themselves readily available with open doors and free services.

 

[amazingfantasy15]

Did you even read the latter portion of my post? PP isn't FORCING anything. That was actually the WHOLE point of the post. What they did (as in THE PAST) was make it really easy to have poor people (who were disproportionately black because of institutionalized racism) abort pregnancies.

The Idaho PP totally got caught practicing Spanger's eugenic experiment. I can't possible make that any simpler if you didn't read the whole post. If you don't believe me look up PP own statistics on their locations.

Personally I don't trust them. I've never need anything from them, and after finding alot of this information out, I refuse to support them in any way shape and form. Ironically enough, I'm still very much pro-choice.

Edit: I reiterate, Planned Parenthood isn't combing the streets looking for pregnant Women of Color, they don't have to when they make themselves readily available with open doors and free services.

Your argument doesn't work though. Just because there's a bunch of planned parenthood locations in poor neighborhoods doesn't mean the women have to visit them. It's their choice to go there. Maybe instead of blaming planned parenthood, you should blame the people having unprotected sex, when they can't afford or aren't mature enough to care for a baby. I'm sure men and women that want a baby aren't getting an abortion, it's the one's that don't want, can't afford and/or aren't mature enough to care for a baby that are getting the abortions.

Maybe there are more planned parenthood locations in poorer neighborhoods because there's a greater demand in those neighborhoods because there are more people having unprotected sex and getting knocked up. That can't be it though, it's gotta be a plan by the man to keep the black man down because it's so more easier to just call planned parenthood racist than address the real problem. Maybe we should blame Canada as well.