It's not sexist to show a woman losing her mind because of witnessing the murder of her closest friend.Talk of why woman aren't leaders leading to sudden onset murder madness.
Looks too much like a repeat of GOT and Danny's story.
Ohh. Yeah that would explain the different vibe of this show. And that Bloodmoon pilot sounds interesting. Too bad Martin wasn’t too confident crafting that story.The season opens with its female leads as teens (played by Emily Carey and Milly Alcock). Midway through the season, the story jumps 10 years and the roles are taken over by Olivia Cooke (Ready Player One) and Emma D’Arcy (Truth Seekers). The show’s two male leads are older and played by the same actors throughout. There are additional multiyear time jumps within the 10-episode season as well — a structure more like the way The Crown unfolds over the course of its entire run than like Thrones.
Yeah, I don't see the comparisons. No one questioned Dany's claim because of her gender until, like, the third-to-last episode. Gender and succession politics weren't remotely a major plotline in GOT.Its a different story thats only similar to some aspects of GoT on a surface level. They have to appeal to general audiences with this trailer and i guess they did, judging by the response.
Not accurate. All the apparent heirs are men, even when the women are the better options. With Dany, her gender is brought up throughout the series, as with Cersei. When Robb dies, it's Bran who is the next in line, not Sansa. Women are constantly married off for these goals.Yeah, I don't see the comparisons. No one questioned Dany's claim because of her gender until, like, the third-to-last episode. Gender and succession politics weren't remotely a major plotline in GOT.
Okay, I get that. That's inherent to the world. It just seemed like people were saying that Dany and Rhaenyra have the same story, which I don't really see.Not quite accurate. All the apparent heirs are men, even when the women are the better options. With Dany, her gender is brought up throughout the series, as with Cersei. When Robb dies, it's Bran who is the next in line, not Sansa. Women are constantly married off for these goals.
It's not sexist to show a woman losing her mind because of witnessing the murder of her closest friend.
And Westeros is a medieval patriarchal society. It would have been completely inappropriate for Westeros's male leaders to not question her suitability. Like it was inappropriate for Sam to propose democracy.
Edit: Just to clarify, I do think that Dany didn't need to go mad to explain why King's Landing was destroyed. Dany lives in a medieval society and she would have been justified razing King's Landing to the ground purely on tactical grounds. D&D should not have been trying to inject 21st century morals and rules of war into GOT. It ruined Tyrion's character and did Dany no favors.
They will have similar stories. Because there is only so many ways you can tell the "woman hear me roar" story, when the protagonist is the blonde lady with dragons. I'm not complaining, but they picked this story because it's similar to arguably the most popular aspect of the original show. The one that led to a lot of parents regretting the naming of their daughters.Okay, I get that. That's inherent to the world. It just seemed like people were saying that Dany and Rhaenyra have the same story, which I don't really see.
Fair pointThey will have similar stories. Because there is only so many ways you can tell the "woman hear me roar" story, when the protagonist is the blonde lady with dragons. I'm not complaining, but they picked this story because it's similar to arguably the most popular aspect of the original show. The one that lead to a lot of parents regretting the naming of their daughters.
As one who was 100% pro Mad Queen for well over a decade, I'm still shocked at how badly they actually did it. They don't like me!!! TIME TO CARRIE!!!!Make no mistake, they had set up her doing this for years in the previous seasons.
How they actually did it was "Dragon lady bad".
As one who was 100% pro Mad Queen for well over a decade, I'm still shocked at how badly they actually did it. They don't like me!!! TIME TO CARRIE!!!!
Oh, after the long night, I knew we were ****ed. I rather enjoyed the first two episodes, and then they hit the fast forward button with an extra side of extremely stupid. I still have the two part series finale of The Battle of the Bastards and the Winds of Winter.Frankly, after everything else in that season before, it didn't surprise me. The dumb dumb bat was swinging freely.
Make no mistake, they had set up her doing this for years in the previous seasons.
How they actually did it was "Dragon lady bad".
I don’t get why it’s so important to them to play this aspect up. This is not how to get viewers back. My interest just reduced further.
I’m a dude, so I can’t pretend I have an immediately applicable viewpoint here, but…I mean this was a recurring theme throughout the original show. I don't see why it's suddenly a reason for people not to watch.
Definitely fair, and I agree with most of that, but it's also way too early to judge because we haven't actually seen the show yet. It feels to me like people have already decided how they think the show is going to tackle these things. That kinda attitude is bound to make people angry for the sake of being angry.I’m a dude, so I can’t pretend I have an immediately applicable viewpoint here, but…
I think the “trick” here is how are they using and addressing the sexism of the show’s setting, and what their end goal is. Is it just a bit if exploitation they enjoy? Is it something they want to smartly deconstruct and disprove in a clever way? Or is it something in between, which is arguably still a flawed perspective to have?
There were times where GoT seemed to slide into exploitation without much dramatic payoff outside of that, sometimes even in comparison to the books, which could already be a bit problematic (see: Book!Cersei vs Show!Cersei.)
Rhaenyra herself offers an interesting scenario to see how they handle that; Alicent is an old-school, “use the sexism in the system to your advantage” kind of powerful woman who uses misogyny as a tool, but Rhaenyra is having to oppose misogyny for her rule. There’s a storyline here that’s *going* to comment on sexism is a pseudo-past and still be applicable to modern day audiences, whether the creators want to or not, a bit like The Last Duel.
And like The Last Duel, every little decision they make can have ramifications for the better or worse.
On second thought, maybe I won't watch this show...
Weird how they "want to get real", and it's we need to rape a bunch of women and turn childbirth into some sort of battlefield. Not ****ed up teeth, no makeup, everyone being shorter then modern times, etc. Yeah, it's pretty clear they get off on it more then anything.