James Bond: 007 - Spectre - Part 8

[NotSoLongAgo]

Everyone's always talking up the Cornell theme and I thought it was just so-so

 

[A Necessary Evil]

Everyone's always talking up the Cornell theme and I thought it was just so-so

 

[Chesterfield]

The final trailer has been classified. Runs 1:09.

http://www.bbfc.co.uk/releases/spectre-filmtrailer-3
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[Hunter Rider]

That's teaser length, I wonder if it's going to be an all out action spot.....Wait, the trailer isn't released until the 26th?

 

[Marvolo]

That's the final international trailer. They are sometimes shorter than American trailers. I expect the final US trailer to be 2 minutes at least.

 

[Marvolo]

I think it would be wise to withhold final judgement until we've seen it with the title credits and in the context of the pre-title sequence. Context matters.

The title sequence can't fix the issues of this song. It's problems are in the performance, lyrics, rhythm, tone etc. It's one big **** up, and no amount of pretty credits or silhouetted naked women can fix this song.

Eh, I don't necessarily agree. Name me one Bond song that wasn't that great that was made better by the context of the opening credits.

Even if there had been a theme that was improved by the credits, this song can't be fixed by the design of the credits. It has too many problems. The only way to fix this song is to throw it out and replace it with a theme song that's actually worth a damn.

Nah. This was released as a single, completely divorced from any film or visual elements and can be judged as such.

Exactly.

 

[747]

I like the sparse quality of the song as it evokes the emotional longing of the melody as it does Smith's vulnerable and fragile vocal performance.

I don't get the "boring" complaints. Ryan Adams new cover album of Swift's 1989, now THAT is boring hollowness.

Give me a great intro sequence to "Writing's on the Wall" and it has the potential to be a really great, both elegant and emotional experience.

 

[Chesterfield]

The countdown clock is up and running on 007.com

 

[antsman41]

Sam Smith's song is boring.

I'll listen to nothing but Explosions In The Sky, Sigur Rós, El Ten Eleven and never get bored.

He only has four minutes and yet there is nothing interesting, intriguing, or inventive.

Hell, Max Richter just made an 8 hour album called Sleep and I never got bored during that, because he had flourishes and creative things he did...

 

[Doctor Jones]

Have you heard the new Low album, theres a duet on there that might be the finest duet I've heard in my whole life.

Haven't heard it. Is it available anywhere?

 

[antsman41]

Haven't heard it. Is it available anywhere?

I bought the LP...

I don't do streaming, I'm against it. I have a 2.5TB iTunes library that I swap out a steady 80-100GBs on my 6+.

I'm guessing it is on iTunes at least but they're probably not on Spotify and such.

 

[Chesterfield]

Like Aston Martin or Heineken, Bollinger has also released a clip related to Spectre:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=0Fz1FOQadJE

 

[Parker Wayne]

Sam Smith's song is boring.

I'll listen to nothing but Explosions In The Sky, Sigur Rós, El Ten Eleven and never get bored.

He only has four minutes and yet there is nothing interesting, intriguing, or inventive.

Hell, Max Richter just made an 8 hour album called Sleep and I never got bored during that, because he had flourishes and creative things he did...

Pretty much. There isn't anything that stands out or breaks the song out of it monotomy. The instrumental feels like it's leaning on the vocals to be the dominant aspect of the song but the vocals feels it's leaning on the instrumental to take over. Neither takes over and the song suffers for it.

 

[Octoberist]

I also think the sound mix is kinda weird. I can barely hear what he's singing about, and his high notes are overly high.

 

[Soapy]

Welp.

I always try to own up when I feel I've been wrong about something, so I'm admitting that I've done a total 180 on the song. I don't love it, I would still put Skyfall and You Know My Name ahead of it, but I do really like it.

Clearly I'm an idiot. Please disregard everything I say in the future.

 

[Octoberist]

I've listen to the song maybe 10 times and anytime Smith goes into his high pitch chorus, it just...kills the song. He sounds like a clarinet.

 

[flickchick85]

Welp.

I always try to own up when I feel I've been wrong about something, so I'm admitting that I've done a total 180 on the song. I don't love it, I would still put Skyfall and You Know My Name ahead of it, but I do really like it.

Clearly I'm an idiot. Please disregard everything I say in the future.

You're not an idiot. I WISH I could do a 180 on the song, but it's not happening.

The orchestrations are lovely, but the chorus and his falsetto just ruins the whole damn thing for me.

 

[Dark Raven]

I like the sparse quality of the song as it evokes the emotional longing of the melody as it does Smith's vulnerable and fragile vocal performance.

I don't get the "boring" complaints. Ryan Adams new cover album of Swift's 1989, now THAT is boring hollowness.

Give me a great intro sequence to "Writing's on the Wall" and it has the potential to be a really great, both elegant and emotional experience.

Emotional longing, vulnerability, fragility. That's completely the wrong thing to be associated with Bond. It definitely has those qualities which is why it doesn't sound like a Bond song but more like a female character singing a ballad in a musical. Or if not a female character, then a male one from something like Les Mis.

Does anyone really imagine Bond singing something like Bring Him Home?

 

[Octoberist]

I feel like strings about being vulnerability should an emotional trip from fragile to being strong, and I don't Smith makes that clear enough in the song. He kinda flatlines at being vulnerable.

Dude, Adele has more guts and machismo in 'Skyfall' than Smith. I don't want to get into that debate about masculinity but damn. There are comments made by women who even thought the same thing. Where's the bravado? It's Bond.

 

[antovolk]

That's the final international trailer. They are sometimes shorter than American trailers. I expect the final US trailer to be 2 minutes at least.

Um - they aren't making separate domestic/international trailers for this.

Look at all the Hunger Games final trailers for example - all 1 minute long. Hardly surprising...so probably all out action - as Hunter Rider suggests.

 

[Doctor Jones]

I feel like strings about being vulnerability should an emotional trip from fragile to being strong, and I don't Smith makes that clear enough in the song. He kinda flatlines at being vulnerable.

Dude, Adele has more guts and machismo in 'Skyfall' than Smith. I don't want to get into that debate about masculinity but damn. There are comments made by women who even thought the same thing. Where's the bravado? It's Bond.

Bond is also vulnerable and bottled up with a lot going on inside. Whether that is executed well here is subjective, but I don't think you always need bravado for a Bond song. The idea and nature itself behind this song is just fine in terms of being more intimate.

 

[Lord]

Emotional longing, vulnerability, fragility. That's completely the wrong thing to be associated with Bond. It definitely has those qualities which is why it doesn't sound like a Bond song but more like a female character singing a ballad in a musical. Or if not a female character, then a male one from something like Les Mis.

Does anyone really imagine Bond singing something like Bring Him Home?

Not at all, it's been what the character have started to be more associated to since Casino Royale. Considering where the plot of Spectre seems to be heading towards, i don't think the choice of those themes was wrong at all, problem is that the song itself is boring and seems like wasted potential.

 

[Chesterfield]

They have left the ending of this movie very open. It’s ambiguous. Does that mean that this is Daniel’s last Bond movie?

Léa - I could not say for certain. Anything is possible, right?

 

[Napoleon]

I'm gonna have to quote Michael B. Jordan when it comes to people's reactions to the new theme, "They'll still see it anyway."

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Anything is possible? I'll believe it when you are on my lap Lea.