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I saw them, and if true I can see why people were rooting for The NK. I mean just kill these idiots alreadyI really hope the ending spoilers I saw are fake.
I saw them, and if true I can see why people were rooting for The NK. I mean just kill these idiots alreadyI really hope the ending spoilers I saw are fake.
I've got no problem with Arya getting the kill, I quite like that side of it. I just wish it wasn't her alone with everyone else pretty much useless. They could have mounted a combined huge sacrificial distraction taking on all the White Walkers and opening up the opportunity for a super-stealth character like her, and leaving a body count of most of the hero characters left who aren't crucial for the post NK endgame. That would have been very satisfying for me.It's ridiculous how many people are suddenly complaining about dragon glass and/or Valyrian steel killing the Night King when this has been the known plan ever since Sam killed a White Walker with dragon glass 5 seasons ago. If you wanna have a sore ass over Arya getting the kill, fine; but the dragon glass isn't really something you can complain about at this point.
I've got no problem with Arya getting the kill, I quite like that side of it. I just wish it wasn't her alone with everyone else pretty much useless. They could have mounted a combined huge sacrificial distraction taking on all the White Walkers and opening up the opportunity for a super-stealth character like her, and leaving a body count of most of the hero characters left who aren't crucial for the post NK endgame. That would have been very satisfying for me.
And the thing I don't like about how dragonglass affects White Walkers and the Night King is that it's not just that they're vulnerable to it, they get one-shotted by it and in anyone's hands. I didn't like it when Sam killed the Walkers that way either. I like them being vulnerable to it in the way that a regular hero character is vulnerable to a regular blade (ie often capable of surviving a single stab wound) - not an insta-kill.
I wouldn't assume everyone's complaints are sudden unless you can recall their views at the time we were first faced with this issue.
While I was fine with Arya getting the kill on the Night King and just wanted a larger contribution and supporting sacrifice from the other hero characters, Jon certainly needed more this episode.I also enjoyed Arya getting the kill, but everything in the episode leading up to that moment should have been handled so much better. This battle was culmination of Jon's entire character arc and they gave him nothing to do! At the very least he and the Night King should have crossed swords for a fight prior to the Night King making his way into the Godswood where he gets smoked by Arya. I didn't require Jon getting the kill, but Jon did deserve more.
But my point is, I've never heard anyone complain about dragon glass or Valyrian swords killing White Walkers so easily. It's been known since Sam killed the White Walker five seasons ago this was how the Night King would almost certainly be killed. And now that it has actually happened I'm seeing so many people complain about it when it's previously never been a problem.
The fandom right now:
I really really really really hope....
The Night King isn't stupid enough to fall into a trap and be speared by Arya's weapon right as he's about to strike Bran down.
Jaime might do her in but he'll probably die side by side with her....even if he doesn't necessarily have to. I think his and Jon's story are going to both end in a utterly depressing manner unfortunately.Okey doke. I was away for the weekend, but now I've come back and watched this fabled episode that got people so angry. My main take-away... I liked it a heck of a lot more than 803.
Now that they've ruined Jon's storyline, I see 804 the next logical extension, and I didn't mind it as much as a lot of people. There are basically 2 storylines that matter to me now: Jaime and Cersei, and Dany and Cersei. Out of those two, Jaime's story is the most important to me. I can only hope they don't ruin his arc like they did Jon's.
For me, Jaime has always been the sort of secondary or tertiary hero of the show. Jon is the primary hero, in the melodramatic mode. These kinds of heroes are defined by their virtue. Jon didn't have to grow into a hero... he was always a hero, based on his unfailing virtue. The Melodramatic hero is always good, but is challenged by seemingly insurmountable obstacles. In the end, his virtue is recognized, and that's where we get our satisfaction from. You can see that happening now that Jon's arc is over... he's recognized as a man of virtue by his peers, essentially the one thing he always sought as a bastard. Jon is Goku; Jon is Luke Skywalker - always good, never changing.. the symbol of what is good, and what we should look to emulate.
Jaime, however, is a hero in the tragic mode. These heroes undergo internal struggles, in which they overcome their own inner demons. The tragic hero is fundamentally flawed; his or her flaws bring about enormous tragedy, and is their job to rise above those challenges and learn from those flaws. Jaime is Anakin Skywalker; Jaime is Vegeta. As such, his arc is dependent on ridding himself of his major character defect - his reliance on Cersei. If Jaime doesn't kill Cersei, then his arc is essentially ruined. He is not a hero, and all of his character growth means nothing.
I'm confident that Jaime is going to kill Cersei. I think the show writers like Jaime, as apparently they didn't like Jon.
This gets complicated though, because now Jaime's main obstacle and Dany's main obstacle are the same: Cersei. They can't both kill her. To be frank, the one area where I expected the bittersweet ending was in Dany's story, since it's been pretty obvious since season 3 or 4 that she would never sit on the Iron Throne. That wouldn't be a satisfying resolution in my eyes. The only satisfying resolution for Dany is for her to essentially destroy the throne as she initially intended. She won't climb to power, but neither will anyone else. I assume that's where the story is going.
So I guess, Dany's resolution is a political one.. regarding the Iron Throne. Dany is the ultimate hero of the "game of thrones," because she will end that game forever. Jaime's resolution is a personal one... killing Cersei. Jon's resolution is broken. No need to worry about that anymore.
I personally liked a lot of the dialogue and action of this episode. I didn't mind Rhaegal being shot. Yeah.. I know it's logistically stupid, but I was honestly fine with it. It raises the stakes, and moves Dany in the right direction.. I guess.
The trouble I think that a lot of people have right now, is that we were expecting a bittersweet ending, but it's looking more and more like we won't get a satisfying resolution at all, except for Dany. The Iron throne will be gone, but Jon's virtue won't be recognized and Jaime's growth will be denied him. The whole episode had this sinking feeling of, "oh man, none of this is gonna end good." It really feels like there's no way out of this now, except for all of our main characters to get screwed. Which makes the show hard to watch. Yes.. I'm cool with a bittersweet ending, but I do want our heroes to succeed in a way that resolves the storylines. Because if it doesn't... if it truly is D&D's intention to rob us of a satisfying resolution, it's hard not to feel resentful about that. I care about Jon. I care about Jaime. I care about Dany. They don't have to live. They don't have to grow rich and powerful. But I do want them to overcome their main obstacles.
Why did a little rock stump block Viserion's fire?
Jaime might do her in but he'll probably die side by side with her....even if he doesn't necessarily have to. I think his and Jon's story are going to both end in a utterly depressing manner unfortunately.
I think the child complicates things. Even if Jamie is there to take down Cersei, she is with child. I don't think Jaime would kill an unborn child.
I don't mind Arya defeated him but I do mind that they couldn't distinguish between the Night King and his Generals. Given the amount of powers the NK has, from element manipulation to raising the dead, you would think that it would take more to kill him. This guy was the big bad but they *****ed him out for Arya getting a cool moment....just like they *****ed Rhaegal out for a cool moment for Euron. All for the GOTCHA bull****.It's ridiculous how many people are suddenly complaining about dragon glass and/or Valyrian steel killing the Night King when this has been the known plan ever since Sam killed a White Walker with dragon glass 5 seasons ago. If you wanna have a sore ass over Arya getting the kill, fine; but the dragon glass isn't really something you can complain about at this point.
To be honest, I don't know if Jaime is truly consideredl redeemed. Sure, he came to help fight for Winterfel, but don't forget his last battle before he took on Highgarden was him sacking Riverrun and killing the Stark kid's uncle. Even Arya seen him and Bronn at the Freys, and you can bet your bottom dollar if he and Bronn didn't leave when they did, they too would have been dead from poison. I too do think he's going to King's Landing to kill Cersei, but I think it's more the fact she attacked a fleet that had his beloved brother, Tyrion on it. Even then, the way this show is being set up, I am now predicting it's Arya that kills Cersei with Jaime's face. I also won't be surprised if during the Clegane Bowl, Hound is nearly killed when Greyworm comes in to save the day and take out the Mountain.If that happens and Jaime is honest to goodness going back to King's Landing to rejoin Cersei, then his storyline will be made broken and pointless, just like Jon's has.
That'll leave us only with Dany's storyline... in which she most likely dies, while achieving the goal of destroying the throne.
So... 2 broken plots, and one semi successful plot in which the main character dies. Cool.
... I don't think that's the case though. I think Jaime is going to King's Landing and will ultimately kill Cersei.
People think that was cool? I thought it was so sad. I know it's Dany's dragon, but I felt it was also Jon's. I was also hoping a cool scene of Arya living one of her favorite stories where she rides alongside Jon on one of the dragons during the big battle. Screw this show, they could have done so much if they weren't hell bent on just being cruel and violent for the sake of it.I don't mind Arya defeated him but I do mind that they couldn't distinguish between the Night King and his Generals. Given the amount of powers the NK has, from element manipulation to raising the dead, you would think that it would take more to kill him. This guy was the big bad but they *****ed him out for Arya getting a cool moment....just like they *****ed Rhaegal out for a cool moment for Euron. All for the GOTCHA bull****.
I also won't be surprised if during the Clegane Bowl, Hound is nearly killed when Greyworm comes in to save the day and take out the Mountain.